GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #7

[LDhummingbird]

LDhummingbird, welcome and thank you so much for joining and be willing to answer so many questions.

I have a question regarding the belt, you may not know the answer but if you do it might help clear things up. Was the belt around the tarp something like a normal men's leather belt or was it something like a utility strap? Anything you know about the belt would be helpful.

Thanks again, and my heart goes out to you and your friends as well as the community at large.

I believe it was an actual garment belt. Whether it was leather or some other material, or what color it was, I don't know.

 

[greenpalm]

Is it possible that the trash schedule doesn't really play into any of this at all?

1. if perp was simply trying to get rid of body (before someone else came home, reduce time w/ evidence in home/car, etc).....then they probably just dumped it the first place that it appeared there would be no witness

2. if she fell/slid out, then the trash schedule was definitely not something the perp was leveraging in their "plan"

3. if they left her there on purpose with the intent of her being found, then the trash schedule was also not part of their plans

I'm just thinking we may be getting wrapped around the axle on an angle that wasn't even part of the perp's decision making process.....

Yep, absolutely. Either possibility is reasonable. All the things you listed, or a deliberate attempt to have the garbage pick her up. None of those are unreasonable theories given what we know.

 

[greenpalm]

BBM above, this is what I found in regards to the bold above:

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The girl's body was found about 7.30pm on Monday by 14-year-old OW (name removed for TOS), who was riding his scooter through his neighborhood in Saginaw - about a mile and a half from where the girl lived.


He said he saw a tarp in the middle of an intersection, tightly rapped with a belt.


'I said, "Well, let’s pick it up, let’s put it in the trash can," you know, because we’re a clean community,' he told the Morning News.


What he found shocked him to his core. He ran back home and told his mother: 'Mom, it’s a little girl

http://www.miaminewsday.com/nationa...6-found-dead-under-tarp-in-saginaw-texas.html

Thank you, yes. I remember this now. So brings up old questions for which we still have no answers. If you write to reporters, will they ask this stuff?

1. Did the W family move the bundle? Is the location against the curb in the photos where it was found? (I don't think they moved it. MOO)

2. Had the trash on that street been picked up yet.


PS: mysticsrose you may want to edit your post to remove the minor's name.

 

[LDhummingbird]

What does MOO stand for? And BBM?

 

[BrownRice]

What does MOO stand for? And BBM?

My opinion only and bolded by me

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thank you, yes. I remember this now. So brings up old questions for which we still have no answers. If you write to reporters, will they ask this stuff?

1. Did the W family move the bundle? Is the location against the curb in the photos where it was found? (I don't think they moved it. MOO)

2. Had the trash on that street been picked up yet.


PS: mysticsrose you may want to edit your post to remove the minor's name.

Some article or interview it was stated the teens tried to move it but it was too heavy or awkward ... That's why they looked inside the tarp.

At least that's my understanding.

 

[TracyLynnS]

What does MOO stand for? And BBM?

My Opinion Only

and

Bold By Me



There's also RSBM (respectfully snipped by me) and some others. There's a shorthand post around here somewhere. I'll go look for it and link it if I find it.

ETA: here's the quick reference for the message board shorthand -

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124204&highlight=kwim,+bbm,+tos

 

[LDhummingbird]

I can't seem to thank posts from my phone, but thanks, Tracy!

 

[longtallcold]

After these last 2 days of heartbreak, I really want to see a big ol' ARREST by the thread title for this sweetie

 

[Trident]

BBM

This statement just sends ROCKETS up from my chair. I'm trying to think of the other child case I know of with this exact statement.



You currently are holding a very huge piece of this puzzle. I'm ASSUMING the police know this information.


Without telling us who can you circle on a map on the street in front of the house where this friend lived?

WAS ANYONE ELSE HOME WHEN THE FRIEND WAS NOT.


This is 'IT' in my opinion. This is when the black hole opened up. Someone was on that street when the friend wasn't home.

Sends chills right down my spine.

I want to catch this/these people so bad it makes my head hurt. I'm not alone.

If I remember correctly, that case happened in Philly. A little girl went to play with her friend who wasn't home - but the uncle was. It took years for LE to figure out and go over that row house with a fine toothed comb, but they did it, and they got him.

 

[GingerzMomma]

Just wanted to let everyone know that I received a response from NBC5 this morning. Very brief, but said they are continuing to follow the case and they will provide updates as they become available.

 

[GingerzMomma]

I haven't read this yet, but a family has filed a complaint against the PD:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/17/saginaw-family-files-complaint-against-police-department/

 

[greenpalm]

Maybe not having discovered the actual crime scene is delaying the whole process!! Releasing the info they have from the dump sight might hinder a future conviction.
The whole situation is heart breaking.
If the person is a local and needed to get rid of the body before someone came home, as many have mentioned as a possibility, then you would assume with the hasty disposal of the body that this person would be displaying a difference in their normal behaviours.
I'm no expert but it seems this perp got scared and put no thought into not getting caught by police but was more concerned about not getting caught by someone else.
Just typing out loud

I strongly suspect the crime scene is inside a home in the neighborhood where she lived and was dumped (speaking broadly about the whole area.). They won't find a crime scene without a search warrant, and they won't get a search warrant without more evidence.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I haven't read this yet, but a family has filed a complaint against the PD:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/17/saginaw-family-files-complaint-against-police-department/

That's horrifying!

 

[carbuff]

I haven't read this yet, but a family has filed a complaint against the PD:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/17/saginaw-family-files-complaint-against-police-department/

Parker told CBS 11 News the FBI agent told him a Chrysler Pacifica mini-van, which looked like the one he was driving at the time, was seen on home security video driving on Alanna Gallagher’s street.

Saginaw police, however; told CBS 11 News investigators are not looking for a vehicle by that description.

Huh. Sounds like maybe the FBI and the local police aren't looking for the same thing.

 

[FigTree]

I haven't read this yet, but a family has filed a complaint against the PD:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/17/saginaw-family-files-complaint-against-police-department/

Parker told CBS 11 News the FBI agent told him a Chrysler Pacifica mini-van, which looked like the one he was driving at the time, was seen on home security video driving on Alanna Gallagher’s street.

Saginaw police, however; told CBS 11 News investigators are not looking for a vehicle by that description.

So are they or aren't they looking for a Chrysler Pacifica mini-van or a vehicle like this?
Did the FBI Agent use the guys car make and model as an excuse to check him out, or was the gun drawn because they really are looking for a vehicle like this?
:facepalm:
With very little new media reports, and the Police saying nothing about the investigation or new leads - its hard to determine the facts from deflections.

 

[manzana]

Parker told CBS 11 News the FBI agent told him a Chrysler Pacifica mini-van, which looked like the one he was driving at the time, was seen on home security video driving on Alanna Gallagher’s street.

Saginaw police, however; told CBS 11 News investigators are not looking for a vehicle by that description.

Huh. Sounds like maybe the FBI and the local police aren't looking for the same thing.

All I got to say is there are long arrest records, not exactly a model citizen.

 

[texashello]

LDHummingbird thank you for your information. Please let the family know that there are so many people that are grieving with them in their loss of this precious angel. Although many of us haven't been in their position we can only imagine their pain and we send our condolences to them.

 

[FigTree]

My Bold:
Extract:

... was seen on home security video

So there is someone with home surveillance video in the street?

 

[KMouse]

All I got to say is there are long arrest records, not exactly a model citizen.

Which might explain the story if the registered owner of the vehicle was run and the criminal history came up.