TX TX - Alexandria Lowitzer, 16, Spring, 26 April 2010 - #1

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  • #921
My Thanksgiving prayer, Dear God, Thank you for giving us the gift of Ali Lowitzer. She is and always will be a spark of joy and and a talent greatly missed. Please keep her in Your Arms until she is returned to her earthbound family. Amen

http://www.alexandrialowitzer.com/Alexandria-Lowitzer.html
 
  • #922
Any update on whether BSL is responsible for Ali's disappearance. OT, but I just noticed I have the same Dickies checkered backpack as her and I use to own a pair of black & white checkered skinny jeans when I was younger. Its almost like we are like some kind of wardrobe twins or something. Anyhow, was the route she supposedly was to take to get to the Burger Barn on pehaps a secluded road. Could of she of gotten hit by a car and the driver panicked and hid her body somewhere? Just another possible scenario I would like to add. I think that she could still be alive, but is being held against her will. How was her street smarts? Could of she chosen to get in a car with either an acuintence or stranger. Remember, Gina DeJesus was the only one of Ariel Castro's victims whom he already knew. She got in his car, because she wanted to go to his daughter whom was her best friend's house. If Ariel had been a stranger to Gina then perhaps Gina would of had declined Ariel's offer. Perhaps more peoples with ties to Ali should be investigated. JMO and :twocents:
 
  • #923
Merry, I think if Ali had been hit by a car by-standers would have seen it. The abduction happened after school on a busy road. Good thought though..... Whenever I walk the woods in Harris County I keep my eyes open for that backpack!!!!
 
  • #924
Bumping for Ali...

WHERE IS ALI LOWITZER?
 
  • #925
Bumping again for Ali...

WHERE ARE YOU, ALI?
 
  • #926
I remain optimistic that Ali will be rescued and returned to her family one day.

We are encouraged by recent cases where the missing person has returned home ... alive! (there are several other missing persons that should be added to this list below; e.g. Shawn Hornbeck & Ben Ownby both kidnapped by Michael Devlin)

http://www.mandatory.com/2012/08/07/10-missing-people-who-were-eventually-found-alive/10

:please: Praying for Ali's safe return home to her family - what a joyous Christmas celebration that would be! :please:
 
  • #927
Bumping for Ali.
 
  • #928
Merry Christmas everyone
 
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  • #930
Thinking of Ali Joy and the Lowitzer family. :beats:

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  • #931
I've just read through all the posts, as I am new to Ali's story, and my first impression is that LE failed Ali and her family terribly. My second impression is that BSL seems to be a likely culprit, due to his criminal history and the fact that he was known to spend time in relatively close proximity to where Ali disappeared.

Did some mapping on Google Earth to get a sense of the general layout of the pertinent locations:

Ali's route from the bus stop to the Burger Barn.

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If BSL or someone else trailed the school bus to Ali's stop, the trip would have been at least 8.2 miles, and probably much further as the bus traveled through various neighborhoods dropping off kids.

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I'm not sure of the exact location where BSL's truck was burned, so I placed it at Shepherd, TX, in San Jacinto County. What's most disturbing to me is that Ali's school is a straight shot down I-45 from Conroe, just 20 miles away.

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It's 216 miles from BSL's home to his sister's home in Conroe, TX. Less than a four-hour drive.

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  • #932
BlogTalk Radio Transcript
Program: Peas in Their Pods 1/20/2013

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peasintheirpods/2013/01/20/saving-our-community

Key to Participants:

H: Host
CH: Co-Host
JA: Jo Ann Lowitzer
J: John Lowitzer

H: We are joined today by Jo Ann and John Lowitzer. Their daughter, Alexandria or, as she's lovingly known, Ali, disappeared on Monday, April 26, 2010. Now, that day started out as any typical day would for that family, but it certainly ended a lot differently than they would ever hope that it would end, because they never saw her after she was released from school. They're joining us today and they're going to share their story, and also talk to us about how we as a community can help. So it is with great honor and with great pleasure that I welcome Jo Ann and John to the show this evening. Hello, guys, how are you?

JA: Hi, fine, thank you.

J: Fine, thank you.

H: Thank you so much for joining us and, as I said, we really want to hear everything that you can possibly share that can hopefully lead to us being able to help you reunite with Ali. As I mentioned, April 26, 2010 was, that was the last day that you guys spoke with her.

JA: Yes.

H: Can you give us some insight, I don't know which one of you wants to start off, but can you tell us about that day, and what happened?

JA: Well, it was like you said, a typical Monday and I had spoke to Ali a couple of times while she was at school, back and forth. She was trying to make her plans for when she got home, and it was time for her to get paid, so she texted and asked if she could walk up to work and pick up her pay, and also see if she could work because her boss didn't make a regular schedule, so she typically got in touch with him every day to ask if he needed her. So that was the ultimate plan, but she had never walked to work before. My mother was usually here at the house waiting for her to get off the bus every day to take her up there, but (unintelligible) just one day. So that was the plan, and that was the last time that me and John had communication with her.

H: Wow. Now, I did go to the website, AlexandriaLowitzer.com. I know you have a Facebook page as well, but you also do have a website and it's very descriptive, has a lot of information there. And there is video, I don't know if it's still shot or video footage of her going to school, so we know she went to school. We know she got off of the school bus, right?

JA: Yes.

H: And that her classmates saw her.

JA: I'm sorry?

H: And that her classmates saw her get off of the school bus. Who was the last person to see her?

J: Actually, the last person to see her was a girl that went to the same school that she did. She had just got home, she drives herself, she had a truck. And she had come home, parked the truck, got out and she saw Ali standing on the corner of the bus stop and she didn't think anything about it and she went on in the house, and that is actually the last person we know that had seen her. There were three other boys that got off the bus at the same bus stop as Ali, but they continued on down, actually the same street that Ali lives on. They kept on walking home and saw that she was lagging behind, but they didn't really think anything of it. They just continued on home and Ali, from what I understand, proceeded to kind of walk down to the corner where that other young girl had seen her.

H: Sure, sure. Now, did she ever make it to her job?

J: Well, of course, we have, after interviewing her boss and the other employees, they all said that she never made it. They didn't see her.

H: Wow. Now, I have to ask this because, you know, there's people out there that think teenagers, sometimes they have a mind of their own. Was it typical for Ali to not contact you or just be away without permission, if you will?

J: Absolutely not. Like Jo Ann said, you know, she had her cell phone and Jo Ann was texting with her throughout the day. And Ali would, you know, text about 4,000 times a month. You know, when we went through her phone records, there were about 4,000 records in there in one month, so for all communications to stop would be totally uncharacteristic.

H: Wow, wow, that's very telling, because that's definitely atypical for her. Now, so when you realized something was wrong, what was the point at which you and Jo Ann realized something's wrong, she should have been home by now?

JA: Well, I kind of had the feeling, I guess it was after I got home from work, which is usually about 5:30, and I texted her to make sure that she was at work and, you know, to ask her what time she was going to get off, and I didn't hear back from her, so i figured that, you know, she was real busy. She cooks burgers at the restaurant and so, you know, a couple of hours went by and I thought it was really strange that she still didn't text me back so I tried again and, finally, usually around the time she would get off was between 8:30 and 9. I drove up there and I was going to say hey, you know, are you too busy to text me back? And the place was already closed down, all the lights were off, and nobody was there, um...

J: I'm sorry, Jo Ann (unintelligible)...

H: We understand. We definitely understand.

J: Yeah. So basically, at that point, Jo Ann contacted me and we began to search from there. You know, check in with her friends and with her boyfriend and other family members to see if they'd heard from her and nobody had. And actually her boyfriend was trying to get ahold of her all evening and he didn't get any response from her either.

H: Wow. Wow. So at what point did you contact law enforcement?

J: I think we contacted law enforcement probably around 10 or 11:00 that night. After we had kind of exhausted some resources and some contacts and her friends hadn't heard from her, then we knew something was definitely wrong and we had to get law enforcement involved, so that was about 11pm that night.

HL And after, you know, all this time, has there been any leads or any information? Any clues whatsoever about what happened? How she just vanished?

J: Unfortunately not. We've, you know, been searching so much and there's been a lot of attention to the case, so we received a lot of tips and a lot of, you know, lookalikes and things like that, but nothing that has led us any closer to finding out exactly where she is.

H: It's been a couple of years now, a few years. What is it like, and we always ask this when we have families that come on, that are so gracious to come on and talk about their story. How is it possible, like, how do you go on day to day? What it is like for you guys just not knowing where she is?

J: To be perfectly honest with you, it's a living hell. There's not a minute that goes by that we don't think about her, that we don't think about, you know, what we've done, what more can we do, and going through all of those scenarios in your mind about what could've happened. It's a daily, constant thing and the only time that you're distracted is maybe if you're at work or something like that. The rest of the time, you know, your mind goes right back to the things I've just said. What have we done, what can we do, what happened. You know, just trying to find some sort of answer, some sort of clue. But we live with it on a daily basis and it's really heart-breaking every day. It's tough.

H: I mean, I cannot imagine, but I can only imagine how difficult and, like you described it, hell on earth to have those thoughts and not being able to hug her, you know, and just wanting her to come home. Tell us about how the community can help. What can we do? What are things that you need from people?

J: When we ask for the community's help, basically we ask them to print the flier and pass it around. Post it on Facebook. Use your social network and all of of your networking that you can. Just get her name and her face out there, because somebody knows something somewhere and it only takes reaching that one person at the right time to break this wide open, so that we can bring our daughter back.

H: Absolutely, and is there a particular website or place that you are directing everybody towards? Is it AlexandriaLowitzer.com or is there a Facebook page or another page you'd like us to talk about?

J: You can go to AlexandriaLowitzer.com. There's fliers on there that you can print off and you can e-mail them. You can also go to the Laura Recovery Center website, Texas Equuseach website, and the NCMEC, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. You can go to their website, she's on there. And, as you mentioned, we do have the Facebook pages and you're welcome to send a friend request and, you know, we'll help you join the page and everything so you can follow along with what's going on and the updates and the events that we have.

H: Wonderful. Now, you mentioned the Laura Recovery Center for missing children, and I did see that on the website. How did you get involved with the Laura Recovery Center? How did that happen?

JA: I guess the morning after Ali went missing, I had posted on my Facebook page that Ali, we didn't know where she was, and we're in Girl Scouts and one of the leaders from Girl Scouts, she told me about the Laura Recovery Center because, you know, Laura Smithers was a Girl Scout. So the Laura Recovery Center is real involved in our local Girl Scouts here in Houston, and we called and talked to them the next evening and they were out here the next day helping us get Ali registered with NCMEC and...

J: Basically starting the whole search process.

JA: Yeah, getting us going and directing us on what to do.

H: Excellent. That is excellent. You know, definitely wonderful that they were there for you, especially during those early hours and also throughout the months.

CH: First of all, I just really want to say to both of you, my heart just breaks. I have no clue what it'd be like to have someone that I love missing, so just want to say that we really pray that, you know, she's found. My question, I think I have two questions. Number One, did they ever find her cell phone, and Number Two, does she have a computer and did they check to see if she was talking to someone online?

JA: No, we never found her cell phone or her backpack. Nothing. She just disappeared. As far as a computer, we didn't have a computer at home. I was able to access Facebook from my cell phone, and she didn't do that. But, as far as any computer access, it would have been through school and I believe it's limited.

J: Yeah, didn't, she wasn't really very involved in any social media or social networks or anything like that. She had really just got her first cell phone the Christmas before so, and like Jo Ann said, you know, there was no access to a computer at home so any computer that she would have used would have been maybe a friend's or something like that, and law enforcement has checked out all of those possibilities.

CH: Wow. It's like she just vanished in thin air.

J: Yeah, her bus stop is only three houses away from her house, you know, so she easily could have walked home, gathered her things, and run away. We had to deal with that a lot in the very beginning, people saying that she may be a runaway, even law enforcement. But, you know, we had to explain to them that she left her cell phone charger, she left her money, she left all of her makeup and clothes and everything that she had. Anything would be important to a 16-year-old girl was still in her bedroom so she, like Jo Ann says, she got off of the bus with nothing but her backpack and the clothes on her back and her cell phone. You know, so that right there tells you that this is not a runaway case. She's vanished. She's disappeared.

J: When we lost so much time at the beginning because law enforcement tried to convince me and John that she did run away and, if it wasn't for the help from the community and the Laura Recovery Center, basically everybody but law enforcement at the beginning, you know, we wouldn't have done what we did.

CH: Wow. You said she worked at a restaurant. Could someone have seen her at the restaurant or something? I mean, did they look into that possibility? Did they have cameras at the restaurant?

J: Yeah, we checked with all of the local businesses around, because the route she would have walked to work was less than a quarter mile away from the bus stop on a very busy street. Even for 3:00 in the afternoon, it was still well-traveled. The businesses around, her job where she was going, none of them had any external video surveillance. You know, the stores had internal, but no external, and the burger joint that she worked at, the only security they had was on a 24-hour loop so, by the time that we got to them, it was already gone.

H: Wow. How frustrating. I mean, so many aspects of frustrating, you know? Because, if it's a well-traveled street, somebody knows something, and that's the thing about missing persons cases that just aggravates me to no end, is that there's at least one person, and probably more than one person, knows something that could help, and so that's why we do this show each and every week, Jo Ann and John, because we just, hopefully the right person will hear this and will be compelled, will feel compelled to share what they know, and that's the hope and the goal. Because someone knows where Ali is and knows what happened. It's very clear.

J: Yeah, we agree.

H: Here's the one thing I wanted to ask as we're wrapping up is, I've looked at her pictures and she's got the most beautiful smile and the prettiest eyes. You know, I don't want to talk about her like she's a news case because she is a beautiful teen. Can you tell us about your daughter? What's she like? What was she like, her sense of humor, her passion, what does she want to do when she's older? Who is Ali?

J: Well, she was a typical teenager. You know, she had just turned sixteen and she had a little bit of rebellion in her, but she was a very loving person. She had a close circle of friends, and the friends that she had were very dear to her. She was an active person. She played softball. She actually had a softball tournament coming up, it would have been the weekend after she disappeared, so she was looking forward to that, and she was looking forward to a birthday party of one of her best friends that she was helping plan. She was very artistic. She loved to draw and paint, and we have numerous paintings and everything from her that we've actually made calendars out of. She loved to sing. She was, she loved music. There was several things that she did in school for her choir and for band. She did a solo song on stage for one of the programs that they did. She sang the national anthem before a, uh, I forget what the event was, like a small rodeo event that they had. So she was an active person, but she was also a homebody. She didn't go very many places. She loved to be at home, she loved to be here with her two dogs and this is where she felt comfortable. She didn't spend the night with friends very often and, if she did have a sleepover or something like that, it was usually here at the house.

H: Wow, she sounds very much well-rounded, and I'm looking at her artwork. Wow, what a talented young woman she is. This is very impressive.
 
  • #933
BlogTalk Radio Transcript
Program: Bring Them Home Now 12/18/2012, Part 1

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2012/12/19/alexandria-ali-lowitzer-is-missing-lets-bring-her-home

Key to Participants:

H: Host
CH: Co-Host
JA: Jo Ann Lowitzer
J: John Lowitzer


H: We have a very, very, very special family with us tonight. I think we're going to have to have John call back in because John has the static monster tonight on his phone. We're going to see if maybe we fixed that issue. We've got John and we've got Jo Ann Lowitzer, which is Ali, Alexandria Joy Lowitzer that's missing out of Spring, TX. And, Jo Ann, are you there?

JA: Yes, ma'am.

H: How are you tonight?

JA: I'm fine.

H: Oh, good. And John, are you with us?

J: Yeah, can you hear me?

H: I can. You know, the static is gone, we're doing great, and welcome to the show tonight. Where are you calling from?

J: Yeah, thank you. I'm in Spring, TX.

H: You're in Spring, TX, and Jo Ann said that you may be calling in from the road tonight, and I just appreciate you taking the time and coming on the air with us. And tonight is your daughter's show, and Kim and I are here to help you guys through, but this two hours, they're for you and they're for your daughter and, to get her story out there for you and for her and to bring awareness to your story. It is a different kind of story and, from what I understand, Ali is also included in the Missing Texas Forty, correct?

JA: Yes, ma'am, she is.

H: Yes, and that's an interesting story, and a lot of people in the United States do not even know about the Missing Texas Forty. I was talking to Max Shardin (sp?) the other day and he said that, in the United States per 100 miles, there's 1.2 people missing per 100 miles per capita. But in your area, down in four counties in Texas, they have on average, what was it, 48 people missing per 100 miles.

JA: Wow, I did not know that.

H: And, yes, and I was like wow, Max. It was such an eye-opener. Such an eye-opener.

J: That's a, yeah, that's a staggering statistic.

H: I may be wrong, 42, but even so. I mean, I was like, are you serious? So that's something definitely, Kim, we need to look into and get these families on board with us and get them on the air with us, and start talking about these cases.

CH: Oh, absolutely.

H: And start doing some research with our research team and start bringing awareness to America with this. But tonight is Ali's turn. It's Ali's turn tonight. You've been on several other shows. Am I correct, John and Jo Ann?

J: Yes.

JA: Yeah, that's correct. We've been on radio, we've been on TV, national TV. You name it, we've probably been on it.

H: And last year around this time you were on Nancy Grace as well, right?

JA: Yes, ma'am, she had a special on so many missing people in so many days, and we were fortunate enough for her to pick Ali.

H: And how did it feel to be able to go on Nancy Grace?

JA: Wow, all kinds of emotions. Well, of course, you're going to be nervous and, you know, Nancy is a little intimidating, to watch her show but, when we'd speak to her off the air, she seemed like a very genuinely caring person, and I think John feels the same way. The first time that we spoke with her, she put us a little more at ease, speaking to her.

HL Sure. And, you know, she (unintelligible)

J: It was a great experience, and it was also great to get that national coverage because it really got a lot of people talking, you know. It got a lot of exposure.

H: And that's what's so important with any case, with a family of a missing loved one, is to keep the name out there and keep the case out there and get that exposure until we can get some resolve in that case, and to make sure that their loved one, up until the day we know the answers and their loved ones brought home, we need to know the answers. And then tell them, it doesn't matter if it's been five years, ten years, keep the name out there until that family knows what happened to their loved one. Am I correct?

JA: Absolutely.

H: And how long has Ali been missing?

JA: Two and a half years.

H: Two and a half years. And you just had a major change happen in your family too, with your son Mason, right?

JA: Yes, he spread his wings and he moved to the state of Washington. Even though my mom lives here in my house with me it's still, you know, I guess it has an empty nest syndrome. I talk to him as much as I can and then, you know, just hope that he's doing well. It's a little nerve-wracking.

H: Oh, I know that feeling. I know that feeling. My daughter spread her wings and left. But it's different for you because Ali's missing, and you have two children.

JA: Yes.

H: Your son and your daughter, and he's the oldest. And Ali's missing and then your son is moved to Washington, so that would have to be kind of detrimental on you, am I correct?

JA: Yes, it was really hard at first. I didn't want him to leave, of course, but he'd just turned 22 and I know that he's got to grow up sometime and can't live with me forever.

H: Sure. And, John, how are you doing?

J: I'm doing pretty good. I'm excited for Mason, you know, for doing what he's doing. That's a big step to be as young as he is and to move as far away as he did and basically just kind of start a new life. He didn't have a whole lot of means to get out there, so I'm real excited for him and I'm proud of him for doing that. And I understand wanting to get out, get away and trying to start a new chapter in your life. But it's difficult, you know. Yeah, I miss him, and I talk to him as much as possible, and he seems to be doing pretty good. But it is hard to have multiple missing, you know. Well, maybe not missing, you know what I mean. Not being so close to home. You know, with Ali being missing, that's hard enough and then to have him gone, it's kind of like, okay. It's kind of hard to explain. It can be emotional.

H: So let me ask you, most girls growing up are Daddy's girls. Was Ali, is she a Daddy's girl or is she a Mama's girl? How does Ali play into the dynamics of the family?

JA: Well, she's definitely a Daddy's girl.

H: Yeah.

J: We were very, very close. She was always involved in things that I wanted to do and we shared a lot of the same interests and so, yeah, she was very much a Daddy's girl.

H: And can you tell us about some of the fun times with Ali, John?

J: One of the best things that we did together was, we got her involved in softball and that's something that she really took a liking to, you know, and me being a guy, being her dad, who doesn't like baseball? So, to be able to do that with her was one of the best things that we've done together, I think. Yeah, I was able to practice with her in the backyard, starting from just barely tossing the ball to each other to all out, you know, throw it as hard as you can, and it's such a pleasure and a joy to watch her progress from not knowing anything about the game to being a major player on her team.

H: What an amazing feeling.

J: Yeah, it's (unintelligible)

H: <snip O/T> One thing, I'm going to have Kim lead you in because one of the things that we like to do is bring that missing person off of a flyer and bring them into the hearts of America. With Ali being a Daddy's girl, Kim's going to kind of lead you through Ali's life with us, because we all want to hear about her.

J: Okay.

CH: All right, first of all we're going to go ahead and we're going to start with the basic details. Ali's full name is Alexandria Joy Lowitzer, nickname Ali. She's been missing since April 26, 2010 at 3pm. She's missing from Low Ridge Road in Spring, TX. She was born February 3, 1994. She has braces on her upper and lower teeth. She is five foot two, 145 pounds, hazel eyes and brown hair which is dyed auburn. She does have a faint scar from chicken pox between her eyes. She was last seen wearing a white t-shirt, a dark hoodie, black and white checkered skinny jeans with black tennis shoes. She was also carrying a blue slide cell phone and checkered multicolored backpack.

H: Thanks. One of the things, we wanted to get the basics out there. We do the flyer and let everyone know the flyer itself. What we want to do now is we're going to start asking you about Ali growing up.

JA: Okay.

H: I want to talk about when Ali was little and she was born. Can you lead us into that and kind of lead us through as she was growing up?

JA: Well, maybe John should start, since he got to hold her before I did.

H: Oh!

J: Yeah, that was undoubtedly the best day of my life ever, was to hold her for the first time. She was born at, I think it was about 1:20 in the afternoon and, because I remember taking a picture of the clock on the wall. And I brought her out of the hospital room to where they take them, you know, with all the little bassinets or, you know, all the little beds they have the babies in and all that, and all the family was standing there and, even though I had a mask over my mouth, they could just see that I was smiling from ear to ear.

H: Aww!

J: Yeah, and she was a fighter. You know, she actually came out and had a little cold, so she had to get IVs put in her to fight the infection or whatever.

H: Oh!

J: Yeah, they tried to put it in her hand but she was such a fighter that she wouldn't allow it to be in her hand. She'd always get it knocked out, so they ultimately had to end up putting it, like, I think it was on the top of her head.

H: Oh, wow!

J: That was the only place they could put it to where she wouldn't take it out. So that was probably the most memorable event from her birth that I can remember. So, you know, it was pretty special.

H: And, as she was growing up, was she a girly girl or was she a little tomboy? What was she like?

J: I think she was kind of a mix.

H: Yeah?

J: Yeah, I think she had her moments where she wanted to be girly, but she had no problem playing on the swing set and jumping off of it as you're swinging from four or five feet in the air. She didn't have a problem doing that, so she was pretty adventurous. But she had her feminine side to her, too. She liked makeup and fingernail polish and putting makeup, quote unquote, or markers on her dolls, marking up their faces and stuff like that.

H: Did she have a lot of friends as well?

J: She did, but I would say that her friends are very close-knit. It wasn't a very broad spectrum of friends. All her friends were very close, so I guess the friends that she had that she considered really close were her best friends, so she had a handful of those. And she had her acquaintances and stuff like that throughout school, but all of her really close friends were kind of few.

H: And, now did you always live in the same place or did you just move to that area before she went missing?

J: Well, she was born in Pasadena, TX, which is not very far from Spring, probably 30 or 40 miles or something like that, and we moved to Spring in January of 2000, and we've been living up here ever since.

H: Okay, okay, and I want Jo Ann to come in. Jo Ann, tell us some special times about her growing up and some memories.

JA: I'm sorry, I'm already upset.

H: It's okay, Honey. Deep breaths, deep breaths. It's okay. You're her voice tonight.

JA: I do fine on interviews except for when I talk about her directly.

H: It's okay, Sweetie.

JA: Well, we, um, I don't know where to start. I guess this time of year, I really miss making Christmas cookies. We would do that every year. I had quite a large selection of cookie cutters and that's one thing that we made sure that we did every year was cut and decorate Christmas cookies. When I was little, I was always into Barbies and, no matter how many Barbies I bought Ali, she refused to play with them. She would rather play with Mason's toys than all the little pink frilly things that I'd buy her so, yeah, that's when we got into softball. And I really liked being a softball mom, watching her and John play. I guess what I miss the most about her is her singing. She had a beautiful voice and I would tell her that all the time, and when she would catch me listening to her singing, she would stop. And anything to do with music and art, from the time she knew what a pencil or crayon did, she was constantly drawing something, and I still have a lot of her artwork. I have artwork from her, I guess before she was in school because it didn't have a date on it, but I remember this this crazy little pumpkin that she drew me and I always had it hanging on my wall at work, and I still have it.

H: You say she had a beautiful voice. What type of music does she like to sing?

JA: Well, she didn't like country music very well but when Taylor Swift first came out, she did like her and of course we had to buy her CD. But she mainly liked, I don't know if you'd call it alternative? What kind of music would you call that, John?

J: Yeah, like alternative rock. She was really getting into that into her teenage years, but one of the things that I always remembered her singing was just about anything from any Disney movie. That was a big thing of hers.

JA: Yeah, any Disney. I mean, she even liked some of the musicals, old musicals that I would watch, but she liked, what was that? Nightmare Before...

J: She, uh, yeah...

JA: Yeah, Nightmare Before Christmas. Tim Burton movie. She knew every verse in every song in that entire movie.

H: What is up with that? My daughter loves that too and it's like, why? I never could understand that. I couldn't.

JA: I think it's because it's not ordinary. Ali liked, she liked to be different. She liked different things. I guess she started maybe at fourteen or fifteen, she started wanting to do her own hair. She even experimented with it a couple of months before she went missing, and the hairstyle that's in the photograph with the dark red hair, she cut that herself. You know, she just always liked to do her makeup different than anybody else and wear clothes that was different from anyone else. She didn't really like to stick out like a sore thumb, but you just couldn't help looking at her. Of course, that's me talking as her mom but, as much as she didn't like to be in the limelight, I don't think that anybody could not notice her. From my own opinion, but…

H: Looking at her pictures, she's just so beautiful, and I am just so amazed by her, and those eyes, to see, artistic, you see just by her makeup and everything, you can just see that she's an artist at heart. Just by her makeup and the way she does her hair and her clothing. You know, the pictures I've seen of her, she's such a little artist. You can see that. She's eclectic and different, and I love looking at her pictures. And that's why I came to you and like, Jo Ann, it would be an honor to do this for you. And I'm so glad that you're joining us from Spring, TX tonight. And one of the things, the hard part's going to, we need to lead into is on what happened. How old was Ali when she went missing?

JA: She was sixteen. She'd just turned sixteen in February, so it was like three months after she turned sixteen.

H: And, can you go back like a day before she went missing and talk to us what happened?

JA: Yeah, she went missing on a Monday and the day before was just a typical Sunday. She didn't have to work that day, so she called over one of her guy friends that, uh, I don't remember if they became boyfriend and girlfriend that day or if it was a couple of days before that, but it was a brand-new boyfriend. And, um, really sweet boy. They spent a lot of time (unintelligible) the street in front of the house. He was trying to teach her how to ride a skateboard.

H: And you say she invited him over to the house?

JA: Yes.

H: How old was he?

JA: I think he was the same age. If he wasn't sixteen yet, he was close to being sixteen. They were in the same grade and had a lot of the same friends.

H: And did she seem really happy that day and excited?

JA: Yes, she did. It was a really good day. Just a regular day. I don't know how else to explain it. There was nothing that, no big event that sticks out. They came in and watched a movie, and fixed them some food, and back and forth going in and out, and the later that evening we took him home.

H: And, Jo Ann, could you run us through her normal daily routine on a school day?

JA: Yeah, on a school day, well, she would get up at the very last possible minute to be able to get dressed and grab her books to run out for the school bus, and she would get on the school bus. I gave her her first cell phone that Christmas, so she'd only had a cell phone for just a few months and we did have to have a couple of talks, you know, she needed to turn it off at night because of staying up into the night until 1:00 from texting, and texting during school, and she would text me during school and just ask me silly little questions, you know, like if so-and-so could do this this weekend or whatever. And that day that she went missing, it was just a regular day. She still texted me during the day and asked me if she could walk to work, to see if she could work and pick up her paycheck. She never walked to work before, even though it's a quarter of a mile away. My mother was usually here at the house waiting for Ali to get off the school bus and to drive her to work if she needed to go. And, that day, my mother wasn't available to be here at the house with her. But, other than that, every morning was, it was the same. I'm sorry, I kind of got off track, but every morning, she would rush to get dressed, get her makeup on, and rush out to the bus.

CH: Okay, and can you walk us through the day she went missing?

JA: Yeah, the morning was just as I described and, during lunch, she texted me and that's when she started to, I guess make her plans for the afternoon when she got off, and she wanted to walk to work and get paid. It was her very first job, she'd just turned sixteen, and she was just really excited to go to work. I mean, she got to cook hamburgers so, what kid wouldn't want to cook hamburgers? Ali, you know, you get a french fry here and there, I'm sure. She got off the bus and she turned around the opposite direction than the other kids did, because the school bus stops at a T from our street and the kids were walking down our street and she would have to go the opposite direction in order to walk out onto the main street to go to work. So the other kids didn't, I mean, they noticed she lagged behind, but they didn't notice anything at all, and nobody saw her after that.

J: I'd like to interject real quick.

CH: Oh, sure, of course.

J: Okay. I had actually had to, you know, in the few days after her disappearance, I actually had to go to the school and look through their video surveillance, and we found pictures of her during that day. It just seemed like a very normal day for her. You know, her and the young man that Jo Ann was just talking about, were walking through the halls. They were laughing and joking so, you know, everything seemed normal there. Also, I had to go and view the bus footage to confirm that she was actually on the bus and, while she was on the bus, she was texting on her phone and she was smiling and laughing and talking to the person next to her, so everything was very normal. There was nothing that seemed out of normal. She didn't seem upset or anything like that so, like Jo Ann said, it was a very good day. So, everything that we've seen, you know, doesn't point to anything being wrong.
 
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BlogTalk Radio Transcript
Program: Bring Them Home Now 12/18/2012, Part 2

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2012/12/19/alexandria-ali-lowitzer-is-missing-lets-bring-her-home

Key to Participants:

H: Host
CH: Co-Host
JA: Jo Ann Lowitzer
J: John Lowitzer


CH: Okay, and she was last seen at 3pm, roughly 3pm, correct? Or last heard from at 3pm.

JA: Yes.

J: The last record on her cell phone records was a text at around 2:56, I think it was, and after that there's been absolutely nothing.

CH: So there's been no contact since that at all, and she was obviously an avid texter, right?

J: Yes, she would text about 4,000 texts in a month and, like Jo Ann said, she only had the phone a few months, so she was getting pretty good at it. And for all of that communication just to immediately stop would be very uncharacteristic of anybody who texts that much.

CH: Right, absolutely. Now let me ask you this, as far as the last communication, who was that communication with?

J: The young man from her school named J, and that was it.

CH: And is that somebody that she would talk to on a regular basis, somebody that she was normally in contact with?

J: Yeah, yeah, they would talk regularly.

CH: And did they ping her cell phone?

J: Yes, they did.

CH: And what kind of information were they able to gather from that?

J: Nothing. They weren't able to get anything from it.

H: They couldn't find out where it was?

J: No.

JA: Well, the last ping was right here by the house. But we have a cell phone tower that's, like, in between our house and her walk to work.

H: Did they ever find her cell phone?

J: No. I actually thought I found it one day. I was freaking out because I stepped into a pawn shop and saw the exact phone that she carried, and so I had them pull it out and I got the numbers off of it, and fortunately we still had the box from her cell phone and I was able to use that to compare the numbers. And we also gave all the numbers to law enforcement so they could put it into their system so that if, for some reason, it got activated or was trying to, you know, used, I think the idea is that it would be flagged if there was activity on that.

CH: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Now, as far as reported sightings of her, did anybody see her walking from the bus? Aside from the children that were on the bus with her, did anybody independently see her after that time?

J: The only report we got was from another girl who was coming home from school. She actually went to the same school as Ali, but this girl drove herself. She had a truck, and she remembers coming home and she said that Ali was standing on the corner, just right there in the neighborhood, and looked like she was texting somebody, and the young girl that saw her really didn't think anything of it and then went into the house, and that's the last sighting that we're aware of.

CH: So nobody has called in any tips regarding seeing her or believing that they have seen her whatsoever?

JA: There was two people that claimed that they saw her on a different street. John, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there was two people that said they had saw her talking to a white truck.

J: Yeah, we got a lot of that in the beginning, but none of that's, um, we can really pinpoint and say yeah, that actually did happen. So it's kind of tough, you know. The one girl that saw her standing on the corner, that's valid. I feel that that's really for sure. But as the news gets out and as we're spreading flyers and spreading the word about her disappearance, we're getting a lot of information back about "I saw a girl talking to a guy in a white truck," but they can't really identify and say yes, that's was her, that's exactly what she was wearing. And we did get a lot of that in the very beginning. Yeah, we were chasing anything and everything.

CH: Right, of course, of course. Could you explain the area that she went missing in? How far did she have to walk? What was the neighborhood like? How far was she going?

J: It was really a pretty busy neighborhood for that time of day, around 3:00. She was just about, when she was at the corner of the neighborhood, she was probably just about out of the neighborhood. It's a very short distance to Treaschwig Road, which is a very busy, very well-traveled two-lane road. There's always people on it, there's always kids walking up and down it, and that's the path that she would have taken to walk to work, and her work was less than a quarter of a mile from there. So, you know, for one it's very busy. For two, it's very short distance to where she was going. And it's a residential neighborhood. It's not remote by any means.

CH: So there would have been a lot of people around.

J: Yeah.

H: And no one saw her getting into any vehicles or anything? Just talking to someone in a white truck?

J: Yeah, yeah, we got that tip, but nothing really came of that. Nothing really panned out. There was some construction going on right there at the corner where she would have exited the neighborhood, and I personally went and talked to them, and they all said that they don't recall seeing her. They never saw her. But that would be another small handful of people that would have been right next to where she was when she got off the bus.

H: When we started this show, Jo Ann was mentioning that she had a job?

J: Right.

JA: Yes, she had just started working at the Burger Barn.

H: And could she have been, maybe got called in to work or anything like that that day?

JA: Well, that was one of her reasons for wanting to work, because he didn't really give her a regular schedule, and so she usually called or texted him, or she would just go up there to see if she could work that evening.

H: Did anyone at her job see her that day?

JA: All of them say no.

H: And were there other teenagers that worked there as well?

JA: From what I understand, all of the employees except for one were all teenagers.

H: And what's your feelings on that?

JA: Well, me and John kind of feel about the same way about the owner. We thought that there could have been something with him. I haven't completely crossed him off my list, but that's just my list and it's completely different from the list that law enforcement has, because they did polygraph him and he passed. And their explanation for that was he may be a creep, but they don't feel that he had anything to do with her disappearing.

H: Has there been any other persons of interest come up in her case?

J: Just immediately, there was only one other boy that we suspected, but they cleared him, law enforcement cleared him as well.

H: Now, I want to go back with Jo Ann. When you reported her missing, what happened?

JA: Well, after me and John had contacted all of her friends and went to all of her friends' houses that we could think of, even the boyfriend's house. He was even worried about her because he hadn't heard from her. It was late that night when the deputies from Precinct 4 came out, and she basically told us that me and Ali probably had a fight and she's probably with a girlfriend, she's probably just hanging out somewhere instead of going to work. Basically telling me and John not to worry about anything and if Ali doesn't come home tomorrow, then just to call them back.

H: How did that make you feel when law enforcement just basically brushed it under the carpet?

JA: I was pissed.

H: And now it's been two and a half years. Do you feel like they did something wrong by doing that? Do you think that had they been more proactive that maybe they would have been able to find your daughter?

JA: Absolutely! I get asked this all the time, or I see other teenagers that go missing and they get treated the same way, and I'm like, why does law enforcement have to treat these, not just girls but boys also. Even though they're in their teens, it doesn't mean that they chose to leave. I don't know how to, it really, uh, it raises my blood pressure. I'm sorry. But it angers me that law enforcement does this to their family. And, you know, there was a little girl near Dallas, I think it was like a month and a half ago now, that the law enforcement treated her family the exact same way, and four days later she was found in a trash can a couple of blocks away from her home. And if somebody would have done something the day that she was reported missing, then she could have been saved.

H: Right, and I've heard of that case too and it's, I mean, we've heard how many cases, we can't even count them, where they automatically, if it's a teenager, they automatically assume that they're a runaway.

JA: Absolutely. There are a lot of teens that do choose to run away, but why do they have to separate a runaway from a missing? Why can't they just automatically say, you know, my child is missing, and then do something? I mean, just as simple as directing the family to another organization? I had to wait a couple of days before one of my fellow Girl Scout leaders told me to call the Laura Recovery Center. If it wasn't for the Laura Recovery Center, me and John would be nowhere right now. We wouldn't know what to do. We wouldn't have known to call…

H: I love the Laura Recovery Center, and they have helped so many families. <snip O/T> When there's a woman or a man that goes through domestic violence and they're a victim of domestic violence and a law officer goes out there, they hand them this card full of resources that that victim can call, and I truly believe when there's a family of a missing loved one, they need to have that same card, or a card, not the same card, that also lists a list of resources for that family to call in order to help their loved one. And families of the missing, they're not receiving those resources. All of a sudden they're trying to, they think the law enforcement is going to handle everything and they don't. And that precious, precious time is lost. It is so lost.

JA: That's exactly how me and John felt. We thought that we would call our local law enforcement and they would help us and do everything for us, but they did nothing. They did nothing at the beginning. And you never think that this is going to happen to you, and when it does happen to you, your jaw just drops and everything is going through your head and you don't know where to start. You're just like, what do we do? And Laura Recovery Center came in and got us organized and just basically took over for us, and me and John haves learned a lot from them, and I'm forever grateful for them.

H: They are an amazing group. There's several organizations out there that are just amazing and will take you by the hand and lead you through. <snip> You've met some very supportive people in your path in the search for your daughter, haven't you?

JA: Yes, ma'am, I have. Not only other, you know, like Nancy Grace, but just from networking and mainly Facebook. I know a lot of people dog Facebook, but I've used it to our advantage to not only get Ali's face out there, but to connect with other parents and family members that have the, they're going through the same thing. You know, like I told you the other night, I created a closed page just for moms because I just feel like being a mother of a missing child, you just have that special connection with another mom that you just can't connect with anybody else.

H: Right.

JA: So it's been really supportive to be able to connect with them, and complain or cry or, we just share our stories of our kids and we're able to ask questions, you know, what did you do about this, or how do you fund-raise and, you know, all kinds of things. It's just been amazing.

H: And you know we do have a lot of listeners out there tonight and I think it's an absolutely wonderful group that you have. And it's Moms of the Missing, correct?

JA: Yes, ma'am.

<snip>

CH: And let me ask you this. as far as you've worked with the Laura Recovery Center, and how were they able to assist you? What did they do to help?

JA: They helped us get registered with NCMEC, and they helped us make flyers. They were able to distribute Ali's flyer within their own network of contacts and volunteers, and after, I think it was after a week, that's when we started ground searches, and that's when me and John and the community organized and started searching in our area.

CH: And up until that point, law enforcement had done no searches for Ali, is that correct?

JA: No, ma'am. They had not.

CH: How long was Laura Recovery Center on the ground searching for her?

JA: It was, I think it was, was it about three weeks, John?

J: I think initially it was three weeks and then, yeah, it was several weeks after that as well, but for the first three weeks, it was a daily ground search.

CH: And aside from Laura Recovery, have there been other searches done for her as well?

J: Oh, absolutely. Jo Ann and I have gone out on our own personal searches, with each other and without each other. Any chance that we get to spread the word or make people aware of her disappearance, we do it. Like Jo Ann was saying, parents, you know, in this situation every day you have to do something. You can't give up on your child. That's your child. How could you not do something to try to find your child?

CH: Oh, absolutely.

J: And that's the way I look at it. So whether it's just, you stop into a store and you drop off a flyer as you're buying a soda or something like that. Just a little something to make somebody else aware. Somebody the other day asked me how it was going or if we'd heard anything, and I told them no and I pulled out a small little card that we had made, pulled it out of my pocket and handed it to them. It's just another way to get the word out there and hopefully they'll talk to somebody and they'll talk to somebody and so on. Maybe one day by doing that, we'll reach the right people, but you have to do something every day. That's our daughter. We love her with all of our heart and she belongs with us, and we're not going to stop until that happens.

CH: Most definitely. Most definitely. Now, are there any organized searches going on for her at this time?

JA: Like currently, I do have a little group that, I don't think I've let John in on it yet, but we're going to try to get organized again next month and do our own searches. And I think Texas Equusearch is going to be helping us.

CH: Excellent. Excellent. And how would people get in contact with you guys if they wanted to volunteer for those searches?

JA: Ali's Facebook page is a really good source. Me and John are checking posts daily. The main Facebook page for Ali is called Hope for Ali, Alexandria Joy Lowitzer. And anything that we have going on, like we're doing a benefit for her birthday, I've created a Facebook event for that and, of course, we want everybody to come out and help us celebrate Ali's 19th birthday. But, you know, any time we did have any searches where we need help from the public, we have posted them there. Also, Ali has a website; it's AlexandriaLowitzer.com, and we do have it set up where you can contact us by e-mail. And there's a little place on there also where we post upcoming events. And, just speaking of her website, I don't know if you've been on there, Rachel, but I have some little video clips on there of Ali.

H: Yes.

JA: Yeah, and it shows her singing on one of them and it lets people, instead of photographs, it lets people see her and how she moved, just her instead of just a flat image. It's her as an actual person.

H: It shows her and it shows her spirit and it shows Ali. I mean, it's all Ali. <snip> She's a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful girl and she's just the all-American girl. You can't help but look at her and watch her singing on her videos, and your heart can't help but break for mom and dad here. <snip> I want John to jump in here and tell us some of the holiday times that you remember with your daughter.

J: Well, Halloween was probably Ali's most favorite holiday. She liked dressing up...

JA: I was going to say that, too.

J: So that was always a big deal for her. The Halloween before she went missing, she had her own Halloween party at the house, had her friends over, costumes and all of that, and they had a blast, But, you know, every holiday is special when you're with your family and when you're with your children, and I guess sometimes you can take it for granted, until they're not there anymore and then it gets pretty tough. And I can probably honestly say that I haven't, quote unquote, celebrated an actual holiday since Ali's been gone, but you kind of deal with it in your own way. Sorry if I got a little off track there, but it (unintelligible) tragic this time of year.

H: I like that you, Halloween is very fun for a lot of kids and, you know, getting to dress up in your favorite costume and be something else. Was there ever something for Christmas that she wanted and you guys wanted to make sure she got it for Christmas?

J: I don't know if there was a Christmas where she didn't get what she wanted.

H: Right.

J: She was a Daddy's girl and everything. We always tried to get the kids what they wanted. If it wasn't everything, it was at least one or two things that were their list. You know how that goes. But we always tried to make it special for them. Never short on gifts, they always had full stockings, and we always had a good time. There was always gifts.

H: I see, there's something in the room, I don't know if you saw it earlier, by a J.P. Does that name ring a bell with you?

JA: No, ma'am.

J: No.

H: It says a man indicted for killing two women should be questioned about the (unintelligible) disappearance of a 15-year-old Texas girl, according to private investigator trying to solve the case. Does that make sense to you?

JA: He posted that on the Facebook event as well.

H: Right, that's what I'm talking about.

JA: Yeah. I'm not sure about the 15-year-old girl that he's referring to, but he's probably the man that, um, I don't know. I don't know of the 15-year-old girl, do you, John?

J: No, I don't know.

H: I think that, is he referring to maybe Ali and just had her date messed up, or… ?

JA: I don't know, unless he's referring to Hailey Dunn. I think Hailey was, was Hailey fifteen? No. Hailey was thirteen.

H: She was twelve and then turned thirteen.

JA: Oh, okay, um...

H: Actually, was she outside the hamburger restaurant in Spring when she disappeared? It's saying she was right outside the hamburger joint. Is that true?

JA: We don't know.

H: Well, it says that she was outside… I'd like to dispel all the rumors here and put people back on track.

JA: Yes.

H: It says Alexandria Lowitzer, Ali Lowitzer vanished outside a hamburger restaurant in Spring where she was waiting to pick up her first paycheck, the Advertiser reports. Is that, you don't know, as her parents, for that to be true, correct?

JA: Correct.

J: Right. See, she worked at a hamburger joint, but for her to be outside of it, I guess it could be a little bit of interpretation. As stories get passed, things get kind of skewed. We don't know if she was actually outside. From all the reports that we have, she never showed up. She never made it. I think if she would have been outside, then somebody would have said something.
 
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BlogTalk Radio Transcript
Program: Bring Them Home Now 12/18/2012, Part 3

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2012/12/19/alexandria-ali-lowitzer-is-missing-lets-bring-her-home

Key to Participants:

H: Host
CH: Co-Host
JA: Jo Ann Lowitzer
J: John Lowitzer


H: And it also says that witnesses claim they saw Lowitzer talking to a man driving a white extended cab pickup, KLFY said. The witness gave police a partial read of a man's license plate which matches the tags of a white GMC pickup owned by, and I'm not going to say the name. Has that also been verified or it that something that's maybe just rumor?

J: It has not been verified, that information yet. We do know that law enforcement is looking at it, but that's as much as they tell us.

H: Okay, because what I want to do is make sure that anything that's put out there, it has to be verified by law enforcement in order to put it out there. We don't want to steer people off on the case. We want to make sure that we put just the facts out there and things that have been verified, and we want to make sure that we know the place where she was when she went missing because, what we call the PLS, place last seen, last verified seen. So we don't know for sure she was at that hamburger stand, correct?

JA: Correct.

H: We just know that she got off the bus, somebody saw her standing on a corner texting. On which streets was that? On the corner of which street?

JA: Low Ridge and Knotty Post.

H: That is the PLS, the place last seen, was on the corner of those two streets. Is the hamburger joint anywhere close to that?

JA: It's about a quarter of a mile walk. She would have to exit the subdivision and walk up the main street, and there's like a shopping strip that she would have to walk through to get to the burger joint.

H: Was she expecting to get her first check that day? Or do we know this?

JA: It wasn't her very first check. I believe she had gotten paid twice before? But, John, you want to tell that story?

J: Yeah, she was actually going up to work to see if she could collect her pay. I think the previous week she had worked a few times and it had come time for her to get paid, so she wanted to go up there and collect her money but, at the same time, to see if she could work as well because she wasn't actually scheduled. But she really enjoyed what she was doing, so that was her whole motive for going up there was, number one, to get paid, and number two, to see if she could work that night.

H: So you guys were expecting her to go to that job that day?

JA: Yes.

H: And then we do have people stating that they did see her outside of that job that day, talking to a man in a white truck. According to rumor.

JA: According to rumor, yes, ma'am.

H: Okay. But the last known place that someone has verified seeing her is on the street corners there.

JA: Yes.

H: We do not actually have a verification of her being at the place of business where she worked.

JA: Correct.

H: But she did tell you that she wanted to go there and get her check, and that she wanted to see if she could actually get some time in that day at her job.

JA: Yes, ma'am.

H: But everybody at work that day said they did not see her.

JA: Yes, correct.

H: How long after Ali went missing did the burger place shut down?

JA: You mean when did they close for the eve… ?

J: They shut down on the weekend of July 4th.

H: And talk to me how long after she went missing, it was a couple of months? A couple of days?

JA: It was 4th of July weekend that they closed it for good.

H: Were they a really busy business or did they, what happened that they shut down?

JA: I don't think they were really busy. Well, sometimes Ali would tell me she was tired because it was busy, and then sometimes they would sent her home early because they weren't busy. So I think it was sporadic.

H: Why do you think that they shut the doors on the place?

JA: I don't know. One can only speculate.

J: Yeah, I mean, I would think that they got some bad publicity, you know, being in the neighborhood like that. I think business probably dropped off quite a bit and they shut her down and left. That could be, you know, (unintelligible) information…

H: Could any of that be attributed to Ali going missing, or… ?

J: It would be speculation but, like Jo Ann said earlier, you know, it's not off of our radar.

H: So, basically, the business shut down a couple of months after she went missing.

J: Yes.

JA: Correct.

CH: Were there any surveillance cameras at that restaurant?

J: Yeah, there was surveillance. It was internal, they didn't have any external, and it was only a 24-hour loop so, by the time that we got to them, there was no surveillance to be looked at.

CH: And were there any other videos, video cameras, surveillance cameras along the route that she would have taken?

J: Yeah, the only thing that we found was the Shell station on the corner of the intersection had internal cameras and one of the cameras faced out towards the gas pumps, which also caught a glimpse of the intersection right about the path where Ali would have taken to go to work. It was basically across the street, and I personally got a copy of that video and it was probably a good four hours of surveillance between 1pm and around, I think it was either 5 or 6pm, and I never saw any glimpse of Ali walking in that path.

H: So, what that means is when you saw that, that means that you didn't see her walking to nor from the burger joint?

J: That's correct.

H: Okay. And in that video, did it have a time stamp?

J: It did.

H: Okay. And that would have been the only way that she could have gone to that burger joint or was there a different direction she could have taken?

J: If she was walking, that would've been really the only way that she would have got there.

H: And if she had gone there, she would've had to have gone by that video or through that video?

J: She probably would have been, yeah, she would have been in that video, I'm quite confident, because she would've had to cross the street, for one, and she would've had to have passed in front of a couple of other buildings to get to the burger joint there in the strip center.

H: And there was no exterior video in the strip there at all besides, they were all interior videos?

J: No. Yeah, it was all interior.

H: Dratz.

J: Oh, yeah, I was very, very frustrated.

H: Well, it's good that you did get the one video...

J: What's more frustrating is I was the one who had to go and get it. Law enforcement didn't do anything about that. Jo Ann and I have probably been Ali's best advocates for trying to get clues and trying to get information. Things like that, we had to go and get on our own.

H: And, John, we've talked to Jo Ann about law enforcement and their involvement with your daughter's case. From day one, can you tell us your perspective and how you feel like they've done working with you on your daughter's case?

J: Well, from day one, it was extremely frustrating because we're trying to convince them that she's disappeared, that she's gone, and they're working just as hard to convince us that she's a runaway, you know, and I…

H: So today they're trying to say this?

J: Excuse me?

H: Are they still trying to say that she's a runaway?

J: Well, no, so much time has passed and she's actually, when she turned eighteen, they actually classified her as missing. But up until then, she was classified as missing slash endangered runaway. So, for the first...

H: And did she take any clothes or her makeup or anything with her?

J: No, she never made it home. Her brother was at home at the time that she got off of the bus. And her house was only three houses away from the bus stop, so when she got off the bus, she had an opportunity to walk three houses, pick up anything that she wanted to take with her and leave, but she didn't do that. The only thing that she had was, what Jo Ann described, what was described earlier, was the clothes on her back, her backpack, and her cell phone. Her cell phone charger was still at the house, all of her money was still at the house, her makeup, toys, stuffed animals, anything that's important to a 16-year-old girl was still at the house.

H: You know, that's the first thing you ask when somebody runs away is, did they take their toothbrush? Did they take their makeup? And especially a girl, what about her curling iron or or her flat iron? Did she take her cell phone charger? And when all that stuff is left behind, that's when the hinky meter goes up and the red flags go up that there's something going on here. That is absolutely not a runaway.

J: That's what we kept trying to tell them. We kept trying to pound that into them and, with just as much force, they kept trying to say, well, we're looking, we're doing this, we're doing that, but chances are she's run away. You know, this is…

H: And she would definitely go get her last check!

J: Yeah, and this guy is telling me, well, I'm still working on a case that's two years old where the girl ran away. And I go, well, I'm sorry about that, but that's not this case. We know our daughter, we know her mannerisms, we know her characteristics. This is not like her. And, like Jo Ann said earlier, a couple of days after Ali went missing, we got in touch with Laura Recovery. They came out to the house. We explained the story to them. They immediately knew that something was wrong, and that this was not a runaway case, and that's why they jumped on it so quickly and started ground searches so quickly. Because they know...

H: She'd just got a new boyfriend the day before. She wasn't going to run away. That girl wasn't going anywhere.

J: No. You know, and so it was very, very frustrating to try to deal with law enforcement on that and just go back and forth with them, through countless meetings that Jo Ann and I had with them, just going over everything. It was very, very hard. Very hard. When I think back to it (unintelligible)…

JA: Not just the meetings, but the polygraphs as well. (unintelligible) them accusing of you of doing something to your child is horrifying.

H: You broke up there. What did you say, Hon?

JA: Oh, I said not only just meeting with them and trying to convince them that Ali, that she just went missing, they polygraphed both of us, and when they had John they had him down there an entire day and I'm sure, I don't know if he wants to talk about it or not, but when he came back to the search area from being polygraphed, it broke my heart.

J: They, uh, yeah, they interrogated me for eight hours. Including a polygraph.

H: And you passed everything, and…

J: Oh, yeah. I had one of the officers come out and shake my hand and say, "I want to thank you." I was like, "For what?" He's like, "For proving me right that you didn't have anything to do with it." And I was like, "You know what? Can I go now?" I was so mad. And the next day, you know, we had another search the next day that I had to be there for, and I was shot. I was worthless. I was stressed out and I really couldn't function. It was the most, it was hardest thing that I've ever had to do.

H: To think that they'd accuse you for being responsible for something happening to your baby.

J: Yeah, I mean, I understand that they have to work from the inside out but, I mean, come on. Do I really need to go through all of that?

H: And, you know, I'd almost say, the first thing that I'd encourage families to do is go down, do it, get it out of the way so that they can focus on what they need to do to find your loved one.

J: Okay.

H: You know what I'd do if my loved one went missing? I'd be right down there saying polygraph me, ask me the questions you need to ask, let's get this over with because we need to go find my daughter. Or my son. That's what we need to do right now. Let's do it. You know, get my polygraph out of the way. Let's go. That's what I would be doing.

J: Yeah.

H: Because I know it's coming. I know it's coming. They always work through the family first. And, you know, that's what I would be telling the family. Yeah, go down, get it done, get it out of the way, and let's go find my daughter.

JA: Yeah, but…

H: Because that's the way, that's what I would be doing. But, you know, to sit there and interrogate you for eight hours? What?

JA: When law enforcement…

J: It was a classic… Okay.

JA: Oh, I'm sorry. When they finally decided to step in and help us while we were still searching with the Laura Recovery Center, they took Mason aside and had him for a few hours and, when they were done, they had him ready to run off, to leave. You know, basically accusing him of doing harm to his little sister. And, ever since that happened, he won't have anything to do with any law enforcement, any media. I mean, it's even hard for him to look at Ali's pictures, because of what they accused him of doing.

H: They accused him of hurting his sister?

JA: Yeah. Yeah, they did.

H: Oh, my gosh.

JA: Yeah, and he had to go for a polygraph as well.

H: So everybody in the family's passed the polygraphs. We're all good with that. Mom was at work, and everybody's passed the polygraphs. Everybody's safe there. Now let's get on with finding Ali.

JA: Yeah.

<snip>

Caller: I was wondering if Ali would have gone around to the front of the Burger Barn and entered that way, or is it possible she would have gone to the back?

J: Well, the funny thing about the small restaurant was there was no back door. So..

Caller: Well, that answers that question then.

J: Yeah.

JA: Well, there was a back door but it was to the alley where the dumpsters were.

J: No, actually, I don't think there was a back door in there at all. I don't think there was any way out the back.

JA: No?

J: Yeah, I don't think so, because I was in the restaurant a couple of times talking to the owner, in an unrelated thing, and I don't recall ever seeing the back door to that place.

JA: Oh.

H: I thought that you have to have, legally you have to have a back and a front door for fire reasons. That you'd have to.

J: Maybe so, and I could be wrong, but I don't ever recall seeing a back door.

H: Oh, wow. Yeah, because they wouldn't take the garbage out the front, would they? Or taking deliveries out the front.

J: Yeah.

JA: Well, they did do (unintelligible) the front.

H: Caller, are you from the area?

Caller: Oh, I'm north of there. I'm up in the Conroe area, but I was just looking on Google Earth here and I was just kind of wondering which way she normally, when she went to work, did she enter through the front or did she enter through the back?

JA: Well, you've got to remember this was her first time to walk to work, because normally she had been dropped off every time she went to work and we always dropped her off at the very front.

<snip>

H: And that's an interesting question. That's something we should, because if she did enter through the back, if she could have taken a different direction to get there to that strip mall, she could have gone down a different direction, or am I correct?

JA: She would have had to pass the back of the building in order to go around to the front, but I honestly don't think that she would have chosen that. Knowing Ali, you know, she's... habitual, I guess? She did things in a pattern, just like me. And, honestly, if she did make it that far, I couldn't see her walking down the back of the stores.

J: Yeah, I don't think that she would take (unintelligible) path like that. And I personally searched behind that strip center multiple times for any kind of clues or anything. Cell phone, you know. Anything.

H: And she'd take the path of least resistance, which means walk right through that front door, right?

J: Right. And it probably would have shown up on the video, whether she had gone through the back or through the front, because it would be the same route. But that is a very good question.

H: Yes, I'm glad the caller did come in and think of something like that. You've got to look at every angle, and that's one thing I always suggest with every family or any search team is, you know, don't tunnel vision. Look at every possibility, because the minute you start tunnel-visioning, getting the tunnel vision and you accuse one person of doing something, then it becomes a cold case. You've got to look at every option, every avenue, and every type of trail and see what you can find, because you never know what could happen. But that was a very good question. Explain to us behind the Burger Barn. Is it a wooded area, or what is it like back there?

JA: No, actually it backs up to the day care that Ali used to go to.

J: Yeah, it backs up to the day care and then a residence, neighborhood right behind that, so it's all fenced.
 
  • #936
BlogTalk Radio Transcript
Program: Bring Them Home Now 12/18/2012, Part 4

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2012/12/19/alexandria-ali-lowitzer-is-missing-lets-bring-her-home

Key to Participants:

H: Host
CH: Co-Host
JA: Jo Ann Lowitzer
J: John Lowitzer


H: Is there any wooded area around that area at all?

J: There's some small patches immediately in that area. And they've been combed over three or four times.

H: So you guys have searched all that area.

J: Oh, absolutely.

JA: You know what, John? On my way home from work today, the area just outside of the Cypress Gate subdivision, they're clearing that. There was like a backhoe, and they're cleaning that lot out.

J: Oh, really.

JA: Yeah.

J: Oh, wow.

JA: Yeah.

CH: And was that specific place an area of interest for you, Jo Ann?

JA: No, it's just, it was a small patch of woods, and I know me and John have stomped through all the closest patches, no matter how small or big, and as much as out area has grown and changed since Ali went missing, all of the little patches of trees are disappearing and you hear, as much as I don't like to say it, you hear about things being found by construction workers or hunters, and you always think in the back of your mind, what if they're going to find something? I'll never look at my area the same ever again. Every time I see something change…

J: Yeah, every area is a search opportunity and everyone's a suspect. That's kind of the mentality you get after a while.

CH: Oh, absolutely. I can certainly understand that. I have another question for you. As far as Ali's personality, is she more of a shy, quiet, laid-back kind of girl or is she more of a social butterfly kind of girl?

JA: She would be in the background as much as she could. I think she kind of gets that after me. John's more outgoing. But Ali, in group pictures, if she could stand behind somebody and not have her picture taken, then that's where she was.

CH: And is she the type that would normally, like if somebody pulled up beside her and asked her for directions, would she answer them and acknowledge them? Would she just walk on? How would she handle a situation like that, if somebody that she did not know, did not recognize came up to her and addressed her?

JA: You know, me and John talked about that on several different occasions and we tried to think of different ways on how Ali would react and, I think he might agree with me, that we both came to the same conclusion that she might have been gullible enough to at least talk to them. As far as getting in someone's vehicle willingly, I don't think she would have, unless they threatened harm against her. Do you agree, John?

J: Yeah, I completely agree with Jo Ann. I think the only way that she would enter somebody's vehicle is if she recognized them, and felt a sense of comfort to do that. So it was force.

CH: And at 3:00 in broad daylight, the chances of nobody seeing that would be a little lower. A little lower.

J: That really just blows my mind.

CH: Let's go back to the truck. She was seen talking to somebody in a truck. Can you describe that truck to us, as much as you know about it?

J: Well, I can't, because there's no proof that she was talking to somebody in a truck.

CH: Okay, so it's unverified information.

J: Yeah. Jo Ann, would you agree?

JA: Yes. It was from the account of somebody that thinks that they saw it. Did they tell us 100% that it was Ali? No. But it does make me wonder, you know, if it happened and why she would… Because the street that they said they saw her on would be more than a mile from the bus stop, so she would've had to have gone in the complete opposite direction of the burger joint in order to have placed her where he said he saw her.

CH: So it's not even along the route that she disappeared from.

JA: Correct.

J: Exactly.

H: Where did the boy live that she had just met, or was the boyfriend? Where did he live?

JA: He lived in a neighboring subdivision. For her to walk there it probably, at Ali's pace, probably would have taken almost twenty, thirty minutes. And that's at Ali's pace, which would be sluggish, I guess. She wasn't really in a hurry to do anything, unless it was her idea, basically.

H: And which direction would she have taken to get to his area?

JA: She probably would have walked through the neighborhood to exit the other side of the subdivision.

H: So it is the opposite direction than what we're thinking then?

JA: Yes, ma'am.

H: Okay. I'm just trying to figure why she would be an area that people said they saw her, and that's what came in my mind was the little boy that she had just start seeing the day before on Sunday.

JA: Yeah. There was a…

H: What about a best friend? Did she have any best friends that were living in that area or anything like that?

JA: No, she had maybe one or two girls that lived in our subdivision, but they were always busy. The girls were in the tenth grade now, and everybody had activities in school or they had boyfriends, and her best best friend had moved up near The Woodlands, which you'd have to get on the freeway and go quite a bit for her to. And that leads me to, well, it's going off-topic, you know, one of the reasons why we know she wouldn't run away is because M's birthday was coming up, and it was not only M's birthday coming up, but we had softball tournaments and a lot of other things going on in Ali's life that she wouldn't have wanted to miss. So, I'm sorry, I got off-topic.

H: Oh, no, that's fine. That's completely fine. We're trying to learn and see why, you know, try to put two and two together to see if there was a reason for her to be there.

<snip caller>

H: When a police officer basically told you you didn't know your daughter, how did that make you feel?

JA: I didn't know what to say.

J: Yeah, I was quite angry. I was really, really frustrated. If law enforcement would just take the time to listen to what the parents are trying to tell them, it can save a lot of time. It could've made a lot of difference.

H: And, you know, I agree. If they would just take the time and initially jump right in and do their job, what's it going to cost? Okay, gee, my daughter was down a couple of house down, case solved. As opposed to years and years of frustration and anger and pain and possibly a child being killed, because they didn't want to take the time initially to handle the case appropriately? And, if they really look at it, it takes more time, more effort, more finances and everything else to handle the case later. Jump in, do your job, and get it over with. Get these kids found. Get these adults found. Do what you have to do and do your job. You've been hired to protect and serve. That's your job. Don't sit there and tell these parents they don't know their kids. To me, that's wrong.

JA: Thank you!

H: I mean, it infuriates me. I used to be a cop myself. I took these cases very serious, and it infuriates me that other law enforcement agencies don't. Are some parents overreactive and say Junior's missing? Sure. Okay, go help them look in the dryer and look under the house and Junior's found. It can take ten minutes out of your day, but you know what? Maybe Junior is lost. Maybe Junior's hurt in a ditch and broke his ankle and someone's about ready to throw some irrigation water down that ditch and his life may be in danger. Take the time because, later on, if something happens to that child, you're going to never ever be able to live that down. Never going to be able to stop thinking about that because that child's life was in your hands, law enforcement. That child's life was in your hands. And I wonder what law enforcement is thinking today, the one that responded to your case. Your daughter's life was in her hands, and you were supposed to be able to entrust her to handle this correctly. That's wrong. I agree with you, it's wrong how she handled it. If it was her child, I guarantee you there would have been twenty people on that force on top of it. And so I agree with you. I'm sorry, I'll get off my little soapbox here.

<snip caller>

JA: We were speaking of the local precinct. Me and John had, you know, I don't know if you'd call it raise a stink or whatever, but we were adamant that Ali didn't run away. Harris County kind of took it away from the local Precinct 4 and gave it to the runaway division, which they're the ones that lost the video, from (unintelligible) station, but then it ultimately was handed over to Harris County homicide, and now we're just kind of stuck because, although as much as we love the sergeant that has Ali's case, but with him being in that homicide division, he has his homicides and anybody that's in Texas knows how big Harris County is and how many homicides there are in the county, that there's no time for Ali. There's no time for them to follow up on every single tip or questions that me and John have, and our PI, Mac, has done a very awesome job and anything that I give to him, he has followed through and given me answers more quickly than anybody else has since the beginning. He does research for the homicide division and gives it to them so that they can take it from there. And, once he gives it over to them, it just kind of stalls because, oh, there was another murder downtown and they have to handle that before they handle Ali's case.

H: Let me ask you, what is the biggest city in Harris County?

JA: The biggest city? I would say Houston.

H: There you go. And are there gangs in Houston and several things going on in Houston?

JA: Oh, yes. I mean, with any big city, I know Houston, it's in the top ten of largest cities in the US but, yeah, it's got everything. You know, gangs…

<snip>

Caller: The Burger Barn, where y'all say that she worked at, that place would change owners over and over and over again ever since it opened when I was young. And, I don't know how long afterwards, but I noticed that after this had happened, it seemed like it wasn't very long after it happened, that it closed down and changed owners became something else. And was there ever any investigation into the people there that she worked with, or anything like that?

JA: The only thing they did, well, the current owner, they did polygraph him. And, as far as I know, I think they just questioned the others. John, is that true?

J: Yeah, they polygraphed the owner of the…

Caller: Did he pass?

J: From what they say, yes, he passed. And they also interviewed the other kids that were working there.

Caller: Oh, okay. I just found it, I mean, I didn't find it odd that it closed down because it switched hands so much, but it had seemed a little odd to me that it happened so quickly after the fact.

JA: Yeah, it seemed really odd to Jo Ann and I as well, because it was only a few months after her disappearance, that Ali went missing. And one of the things that bothers us is that, that night that Ali went missing, Jo Ann had not heard from Ali. You know, she was trying to text her and find out when she was going to get off work. She never heard anything, so at the time that Ali would normally get off of work, Jo Ann went ahead and drove up there and that was about 9:00, and when she gets there, the whole place was shut down and the lights were off.

Caller: Right. And, as far as I remember, and I'm not saying anything, trying to be derogatory or stereotype or anything, but as far as I remember, if I'm correct, they were foreigners as well, that owned the place, and with it shutting down as quick after that, do they still live here? Has there been any follow-up investigation with them? I mean, even if they passed the polygraph, are they still around or did they just disappear?

J: Here's the thing with that, to be perfectly honest with you, J is a creep. He's an all-out creep, and I've had a couple of sit-downs with him, talking about Ali's work and a couple of other things that were going on there, but ever since they shut down, we've been talking to law enforcement and they don't know where he is. You know, they tell us (unintelligible)...

JA: And they're not really concerned, are they, John?

J: They're not real concerned. I mean they, you know, well, we polygraphed him. He passed. We cleared him. Anything after that, they're…

Caller: That's not always 100% accurate.

J: No, it's not. But their stand is, if they keep going back to him, it's borderline harassment at that point. You know, if they keep…

Caller: But this is a child missing. Who cares who they harass?

J: Right.

Caller: But, you know, that's what bothers me. And I don't mean to get in an uproar, but I would be harassing whoever I needed to in order to solve a case. I just found that strange and I always got a really eerie feeling when I saw that they had closed down after that because, like I said, they've always changed over hands, always kept the same name. They've had the same name forever until these new owners took over. But one of my other questions was that, I think I read something about y'all texting before she got off the bus or when she was at school or on her way home. When she disappeared, did her phone just shut off? Was it left on or did she come home and leave it at home before any of this happened?

JA: She did not come home, because her older brother was here at the house. But as far as her phone being turned on or off, because I have AT&T and I put the FamilyMap, I don't know if you know what that is…

Caller: Yeah.

JA: Yeah. You know, I just bought her that phone for Christmas and it had the FamilyMap on there and I could go on the internet any time and it would ping her phone and tell me where she's at. And after, it was the day after because I didn't think about it that evening, there was no activity at all on her phone and, in order for the FamilyMap to work, her phone does have to be turned on, and when I got on the FamilyMap website, it said "Unable to locate."

Caller: Right, so the phone was turned to off. Do y'all know how soon it was turned off afterwards? I mean, had she made any other calls or anybody call and leave her a voicemail that, you know, you can call from any remote phone even if the phone's off and check?

JA: No, it didn't have that capability. We don't know if she turned it off or it was turned off by somebody else or the battery ran down, but there was absolutely no activity on her phone at all. No phone calls, no incoming or outgoing text messages. If somebody were to find her phone today and turn it on, I could see that on her account and she would have all of those voicemails and text messages received on my account, and I don't check it every day like I did, but I do check it sporadically and there is still no activity on her account.

H: What time was her phone turned off? Can you tell?

JA: When was the last one, John? Do you remember?

J: (unintelligible)

Caller: Oh, wow. Because I know with my phone, with my AT&T phone, that if I'm calling or if I need to check it, if it's turned off or the battery died, they have a, it's like a 1-800 number or whatever that you can call and enter the voicemail number to check any voices messages, because voice messages can still be left on the phone as long as the account's still active.

H: Right.

Caller: (unintelligible) that I was wondering about. But another thing, and I don't know if this is true, this was just word of mouth, it could have been rumor. I don't know if it happened or not, but I do live in the area too and it scares me. I take my daughter to school every day and pick her up, because I am actually petrified. But I had heard, I guess you'd call it though the grapevine, that either a couple of weeks before or maybe a month or so before, that further down Cypresswood, and I might have the location and all of this wrong, but that there was some other girl that was almost abducted but she fought off her offender. Do y'all know anything about that?

JA: Did she what? Say that again?

Caller: The story that I heard through the grapevine was that a couple of weeks before or a month or so before that there was another young girl supposedly on Cypresswood, which is the same street that we're talking about right here in front of the Burger Barn in the neighborhood, that was almost abducted. But she, you know, somebody tried to grab her and pull her into a vehicle but she fought them off. And I don't know how true that story is or if that was something that was made up or what, because I know there was a lot of kids around that time in that year that seemed to just all of a sudden start go missing. Like I think there was one out in Atascocita, you know, just sporadically around Houston and the surrounding areas and, every time you turned around, somebody else was missing, somebody else was missing. And when you go on like the sex offenders registry on the computer, even in this area, I am just appalled at the amount of sex offenders that live here, in our neighborhood.

H: Right.

Caller: You know, so close. And did the cops even check out any of those? Or would that be harassing, too?

JA: Well, to answer your question about the other girl, to our knowledge it was true, but it wasn't on Cypresswood. Actually, it was just one block from our street.

Caller: Okay.

JA: So (unintelligible) subdivision. And it was a classmate of Ali's and supposedly it was a, I think she said it was a red Monte Carlo or something. And she was able to fight her way off and go home. As far as the sex offenders, we were told that they had been talked to. Is that correct, John? <snip technical issue> The sex offenders, do you remember if, I was thinking that they told us that they, the ones in our neighborhood, that they spoke to them. Is that true?

J: Yeah, law enforcement went door to door to every one of the sex offenders in the area and interviewed them.

H: And how long after she went missing did they go to those?

J: I'd say it was within the first two weeks. I think part of the runaway division, the first division that we had talked to, had done that. And I think that's also another thing that Laura Recovery had done as well.
 
  • #937
thanks for the transcripts!

i didnt realize she had a boyfriend until reading these. must have missed that before! i am assuming he was completely interviewed?

ali, come home soon!!
 
  • #938
I've read so much of Ali's thread today...I am so angered by the way LE handled this case in the beginning and I truly hope her family finds her soon.
 
  • #939
Two of the officers who worked on Mickey Shunick's case are retiring. The Advocate (south Louisiana newspaper) had a great article on them with some interesting quotes about other possible victims of BSL. I take these to mean that so far, no connections have been made to BSL and any other murders/disappearances.

http://theadvocate.com/news/7892189-123/lafayette-police-veterans-retiring-after

&#8220;We knew we were chasing one homicide, and the feelings were we knew there&#8217;s more out there,&#8221; Head said. &#8220;We just need to get to this guy, take him down and find out where the rest of the bodies are.&#8221;

After Lavergne was captured, he confessed to Shunick&#8217;s murder and also to the murder of Lisa Pate in 1999.

Vincent said he and his detectives also believed there would be more victims linked to Lavergne. So far that has not happened.

&#8220;In this particular case, we felt we would have,&#8221; Vincent said. &#8220;But nothing has surfaced that connects him.&#8221;

May Ali get justice in 2014. Hugs and positive energy to the Lowitzer family.
 
  • #940
Just wanted to give an update on my letter to BSL. I still haven't received a response back from him.
 
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