TX - Austin Package Bombs #3

[rsd1200]

The Church they attended could have help addressed this and they have professional PR point person. I just thought it odd his Church has done or said very little about the victims. I had hoped the community would come together to help the victims.

I don't think that they had a regular church right now. They belonged to a very small church, that closed it's doors awhile back. Idk if they had found another, still looking, or what.

 

[x_files]

I don't think that they had a regular church right now. They belonged to a very small church, that closed it's doors awhile back. Idk if they had found another, still looking, or what.

ok, that makes sense. thanks.

 

[jjenny]

There's therapy that alters psychopathic behavior but must be caught in early childhood development to be effective.
First, his parents would have to have noticed red flags and sought expert treatment in that field which is still woefully, not available everywhere.

Again, parents claim they didn't notice any flags. When we have obvious clear red flags ignored in other cases, I don't believe for a seconds some subtle clues such as failure to adjust could have resulted in anything. It doesn't sound to me like MC was giving out any obvious signs. Now, if somebody did know he was making bombs that's another story.

 

[jjenny]

True. They do have their own type of "court". Most of what goes on in Amish country, goes on in any other community, but you don't usually see an Amish person blowing up the locals, and the only Amish school that I recall being attacked, was by a non-Amish man, who killed five little girls, in their one-room school house. That was my point, with "othering". They are pretty good at othering, yet they don't run amok and kill the English.

Maybe I read too many Linda Castillos's books.

 

[enelram]

Again, parents claim they didn't notice any flags. When we have obvious clear red flags ignored in other cases, I don't believe for a seconds some subtle clues such as failure to adjust could have resulted in anything. It doesn't sound to me like MC was giving out any obvious signs. Now, if somebody did know he was making bombs that's another story.

I think another big clue that the parents knew MAC was not a responsible adult: they bought him the house very close
to their own home, IMO, to be able to keep a close watch on him. A lot of young boys would want to be farther away
from parents' home so they aren't all up in 'his business'. At this age, young men are usually separating from birth
family, and starting their own life. What 23 yr. old wants his parents to watch him coming and going and who's visiting, etc. They knew he was not a very mature 23 yr. old.

 

[jjenny]

I think another big clue that the parents knew MAC was not a responsible adult: they bought him the house very close
to their own home, IMO, to be able to keep a close watch on him. A lot of young boys would want to be farther away
from parents' home so they aren't all up in 'his business'. At this age, young men are usually separating from birth
family, and starting their own life. What 23 yr. old wants his parents to watch him coming and going and who's visiting, etc. They knew he was not a very mature 23 yr. old.

But there is a far cry from being a not very mature 23 yr old and what he is accused of. I am not arguing that he was a very well adjusted person. I am arguing he wasn't giving out clear red flags that we know of.

 

[human]

I think another big clue that the parents knew MAC was not a responsible adult: they bought him the house very close
to their own home, IMO, to be able to keep a close watch on him. A lot of young boys would want to be farther away
from parents' home so they aren't all up in 'his business'. At this age, young men are usually separating from birth
family, and starting their own life. What 23 yr. old wants his parents to watch him coming and going and who's visiting, etc. They knew he was not a very mature 23 yr. old.

We bought land that included our house so that our children could build homes. Two did. One refused to live in the country so she lives three miles away.

It was an opportunity that our children could not afford otherwise . It had nothing to do with watching them or being concerned. It was to give them an economic advantage, They were able to own homes at very young ages,

Buying a house for MC and then having the ability for him to rent out rooms is a smart economic move. The rent money could cover the mortgage,Eventually he would own a home that was paid for. With the level of population in Austin increasing, that was a very smart idea

 

[liltexans]

An attorney for one of the roommates of Austin bomber Mark Anthony Conditt says his client knew nothing about the bombings.

The house where Mark Conditt and his roommates lived has been quiet for a week. But it's still a problem for one of the roommates, even though he is not a person of interest, according to Austin Police.

"He simply had no knowledge whatsoever of what Mr. Conditt was doing," said his attorney Charlie Baird. "He left the residence and walked out with his hands up. He left everything that he had, clothes, wallet, driver's license in the house."

http://kfdm.com/news/local/attorney...ny-conditt-knew-nothing-about-austin-bombings

 

[liltexans]

In the hours after Mark Anthony Conditt blew himself up, people in need of an immediate scapegoat for the bombings that terrorized this city for nearly three weeks found one in a group called RIOT.

[...]

So what exactly goes down at these RIOT events?

“Water balloons, cream pies, frisbee, etc.,” said Pamela Crouch, a parent in the homeschooling community in the Austin suburb of Pflugerville who knows the Conditt family well. “That’s what it is.”

And that “conservative survivalist circle” mentioned in the Buzzfeed article? It was a small group of children “into camping, tying knots in ropes and climbing,” said Crouch, who also knows Schultz. “Very tame stuff.”

[...]

Raised by both parents in a Christian home, Conditt reportedly walked away from his faith several years ago,” Tim Lambert, president of the association, said in a statement after Conditt’s death. “Today’s revelations about the Austin bombings provide a stark reminder that we live in a fallen world. Unfortunately, no form of education, public or private, can ensure a tragedy like this will never happen.”

Crouch moved to the area in 1995 and began homeschooling her son in 2004. Her family attended church alongside the Conditts and even went to “home group” ― “which is like Bible study,” she said ― at the Conditt household.

In Crouch’s telling, those services, like other Christian events in the community, were as normal as they come, not to mention “racially and ethnically diverse,” which she appreciated.

Austin “is actually one of the most tolerant cities in the South,” she said. “That is one of the reasons I feel comfortable raising my children here.”

[...]

Homeschooling, she said, is “a good option for anyone who is not satisfied with the school system. We try to protect our kids from being hurt in the schools, with all the shootings and stabbings and rapes, but we are somehow the dangerous ones?”

As for Conditt’s father and mother, she called them “good folks.”

“Mark is dead ― so everyone wants someone to blame, but I don’t think they should blame the parents,” she said. “They did not teach Mark hate.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...bible-study-group_us_5ab8f3bbe4b0decad04c1412

 

[Doghairrules]

The NYT responds to criticism about its coverage of the bomber:
‘He Is Not a Victim’: Our Austin Bomber Coverage Explained https://nyti.ms/2uuRVvF

 

[enelram]

Austin Police Chief now calling bomber a "Domestic Terrorist"
sounds like the community sort of forced this-
https://www.wftv.com/news/austin-police-chief-calls-bomber-domestic-terrorist/723649465

 

[human]

In the hours after Mark Anthony Conditt blew himself up, people in need of an immediate scapegoat for the bombings that terrorized this city for nearly three weeks found one in a group called RIOT.

[...]

So what exactly goes down at these RIOT events?

“Water balloons, cream pies, frisbee, etc.,” said Pamela Crouch, a parent in the homeschooling community in the Austin suburb of Pflugerville who knows the Conditt family well. “That’s what it is.”

And that “conservative survivalist circle” mentioned in the Buzzfeed article? It was a small group of children “into camping, tying knots in ropes and climbing,” said Crouch, who also knows Schultz. “Very tame stuff.”

[...]

Raised by both parents in a Christian home, Conditt reportedly walked away from his faith several years ago,” Tim Lambert, president of the association, said in a statement after Conditt’s death. “Today’s revelations about the Austin bombings provide a stark reminder that we live in a fallen world. Unfortunately, no form of education, public or private, can ensure a tragedy like this will never happen.”

Crouch moved to the area in 1995 and began homeschooling her son in 2004. Her family attended church alongside the Conditts and even went to “home group” ― “which is like Bible study,” she said ― at the Conditt household.

In Crouch’s telling, those services, like other Christian events in the community, were as normal as they come, not to mention “racially and ethnically diverse,” which she appreciated.

Austin “is actually one of the most tolerant cities in the South,” she said. “That is one of the reasons I feel comfortable raising my children here.”

[...]

Homeschooling, she said, is “a good option for anyone who is not satisfied with the school system. We try to protect our kids from being hurt in the schools, with all the shootings and stabbings and rapes, but we are somehow the dangerous ones?”

As for Conditt’s father and mother, she called them “good folks.”

“Mark is dead ― so everyone wants someone to blame, but I don’t think they should blame the parents,” she said. “They did not teach Mark hate.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...bible-study-group_us_5ab8f3bbe4b0decad04c1412

Very confusing as the girl who reported on the RIOT had a totally different explanation of what went on.

And what is this Stone church he supposedly went to. Did he or did he not?

What are the beliefs that his parents have ?

I have read somewhere that they homeschooled because they wanted to keep their children from certain elements. Is that true?

It seems like info about the family has been deleted. I cannot find online what the coworker of the father said, for imstance

 

[human]

In the hours after Mark Anthony Conditt blew himself up, people in need of an immediate scapegoat for the bombings that terrorized this city for nearly three weeks found one in a group called RIOT.

[...]

So what exactly goes down at these RIOT events?

“Water balloons, cream pies, frisbee, etc.,” said Pamela Crouch, a parent in the homeschooling community in the Austin suburb of Pflugerville who knows the Conditt family well. “That’s what it is.”

And that “conservative survivalist circle” mentioned in the Buzzfeed article? It was a small group of children “into camping, tying knots in ropes and climbing,” said Crouch, who also knows Schultz. “Very tame stuff.”

[...]

Raised by both parents in a Christian home, Conditt reportedly walked away from his faith several years ago,” Tim Lambert, president of the association, said in a statement after Conditt’s death. “Today’s revelations about the Austin bombings provide a stark reminder that we live in a fallen world. Unfortunately, no form of education, public or private, can ensure a tragedy like this will never happen.”

Crouch moved to the area in 1995 and began homeschooling her son in 2004. Her family attended church alongside the Conditts and even went to “home group” ― “which is like Bible study,” she said ― at the Conditt household.

In Crouch’s telling, those services, like other Christian events in the community, were as normal as they come, not to mention “racially and ethnically diverse,” which she appreciated.

Austin “is actually one of the most tolerant cities in the South,” she said. “That is one of the reasons I feel comfortable raising my children here.”

[...]

Homeschooling, she said, is “a good option for anyone who is not satisfied with the school system. We try to protect our kids from being hurt in the schools, with all the shootings and stabbings and rapes, but we are somehow the dangerous ones?”

As for Conditt’s father and mother, she called them “good folks.”

“Mark is dead ― so everyone wants someone to blame, but I don’t think they should blame the parents,” she said. “They did not teach Mark hate.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...bible-study-group_us_5ab8f3bbe4b0decad04c1412

Is RIOT the same as that RIOT musician?

 

[liltexans]

Is RIOT the same as that RIOT musician?

I don't think so, but I have never heard of a musician called RIOT. The camp RIOT that Mark Conditt apparently attended stands for Righteous Invasion of Truth.

 

[human]

I don't think so, but I have never heard of a musician called RIOT. The camp RIOT that Mark Conditt apparently attended stands for Righteous Invasion of Truth.

Someone on here and I do not remember whom posted a video from Carman who is Righteous Invasion of Truth. Here is a video

https://youtu.be/TCqpJCplEV8

 

[liltexans]

Here's a link to the Austin RIOT 2018 FB page. The camp is kind of pricey, but it sounds like some churches will cover the cost.

https://www.facebook.com/events/510490489321909/

RIOT Middle School Camp is an overnight camp experience for students entering 6th-8th grades. This week long, OVER THE TOP, adventure camp will blow the socks off your students and leave them craving more of God!

Because if it's not broken, we don't fix it...We are headed back to the amazing Allaso Ranch! You don't want your child to miss it!

RIOT Middle School Summer Camp
Students entering 6th - 8th grades
August 5-9th, 2018 (Sunday-Thursday)
Allaso Ranch - Hawkins, TX
REGISTRATION COST*:
Early Bird Registration (ends April 15th): $600
Regular Registration (ends June 15th): $700
Late Registration: $800

 

[human]

I don't think so, but I have never heard of a musician called RIOT. The camp RIOT that Mark Conditt apparently attended stands for Righteous Invasion of Truth.

Info wbout Carman. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carman_(singer)

 

[liltexans]

Someone on here and I do not remember whom posted a video from Carman who is Righteous Invasion of Truth. Here is a video

https://youtu.be/TCqpJCplEV8

Oh, okay. I guess it's a song by Carman. Maybe the camp took its name from that song.

 

[human]

Oh, okay. I guess it's a song by Carman. Maybe the camp took its name from that song.

I wonder what the relationship is? What are the beliefs?

 

[liltexans]

I wonder what the relationship is? What are the beliefs?

I'm not sure. I'm assuming perhaps evangelical Christian teachings? But evangelical Christianity is very mainstream. The population of evangelical Christians doesn't produce any more or any fewer violent criminals than any other branch of mainstream Christianity as far as I know. Every "group" is going to have "good" and "bad" members. We can't paint evangelical Christians with one broad brush, just as we can't paint all Catholics or Methodists, or any other religious group as all bad or all good.

According to the Conditt family friends quoted in the article I posted upthread, RIOT is just another Bible camp, basically. They say there's nothing radical, extreme, or zealous about it. So perhaps if Conditt was radicalized into some type of extremist non-mainstream Christian sect, which is yet to be determined, he became that way through other means or on his own when he reached adulthood and moved out of his parents' house.