TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #2

[DisturbedConcerned]

Several word response but I don't know what you are intending to convey. Does this mean no link or screenshot exists?

It was a link, I read it this morning, I just went back to it, and the story now says, "15 hours". This is crazy! I know it said "12 hours" before!

 

[mickey2942]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...atal-shooting-shot-suspect-in-2017-report.amp.

This one states she worked 12 hours.

Amber Guyger: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

This one states she worked 15 hours!

Nothing is consistent in the reporting of this situation.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

But Guyger’s killing of Jean does not fit the standard box for suspicious police killings. She was off duty, Jean was not a suspect, and their encounter did not originate in any law enforcement activity, according to the information revealed to date by local officials. Those facts leave Guyger unable to invoke the special legal protections afforded to officers accused of misusing lethal force in criminal cases.

Guyger was reportedly coming off a 15-hour shift the night she walked into Jean’s apartment instead of her own and shot him. Numerous research studies have concluded that officers’ professionalism and judgment suffer when they work shifts longer than 12 hours. One academic study found that sleep-deprived officers were more prone to the widespread implicit bias that associates black skin with firearms. Other analyses conducted by law enforcement agencies directly found that officers who work longer shifts generate significantly higher rates of civilian conduct complaints and are more likely to use physical or lethal force in the ensuing week.

Dallas protesters express anger with investigation of officer who killed Botham Jean

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Dozens carrying American flags and chanting Jean’s name rallied at Dallas Police Department (DPD) headquarters Friday evening before making their way downtown. They passed through a bus station before stopping outside three local newspaper and TV station offices. At one point along the way, a group of protesters in cars stopped traffic along I-30 and the marchers stood across the roadway for about 15 minutes before moving on.

The protests outside press shops indicates spreading frustration with how the story of Jean’s killing by Officer Amber Guyger on September 7 has developed over the past week. It took three days for Guyger to be arrested, despite DPD chief Renee Hall’s announcement the following day that her team was seeking an arrest warrant on manslaughter charges. Hall turned the case over to the state police — the Texas Rangers — after investigators determined it was not an on-duty “officer-involved shooting” but a civilian killing.

Dallas protesters express anger with investigation of officer who killed Botham Jean

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"Dallas appears to be the only major city and county in the country where the police chief, the sheriff and the district attorney are all black women." But the diversity "has not quelled the anger over the shooting" of Botham Jean in his own apartment.
Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) on Twitter

 

[Jax49]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...atal-shooting-shot-suspect-in-2017-report.amp.

This one states she worked 12 hours.

Amber Guyger: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

This one states she worked 15 hours!

Nothing is consistent in the reporting of this situation.

IIRC, all the early reports were 12 hours then it increased to 15.

moo

 

[rosesfromangels]

"Dallas appears to be the only major city and county in the country where the police chief, the sheriff and the district attorney are all black women." But the diversity "has not quelled the anger over the shooting" of Botham Jean in his own apartment.
Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) on Twitter

Well that's a start.

 

[kaen]

How do we know that? I know she asked if she could make a call on the scene AFTER responders arrived, but, I was unaware any limits or qualifications were specified.

It took me a long time to find this witness account.

Kinsey added, “I heard the lady cop say ‘I need to call my partner’ and another cop said ‘okay go but don’t tell him anything.'” She called what happened an “absolute tragedy” and characterized the story as “bizarre.” last updated Sept. 9 Botham Jean Shooting: Woman Says Video Shows Aftermath | Heavy.com

 

[rosesfromangels]

How is it possible to be so disconnected that you go to the wrong apartment? .... Make me wonder if the officer has some other problems affecting sense of selfie and surroundings.

Respectfully snipped and abbreviated for focus.

Either she knew exactly where she was, and why she was there, (to tell him not to make any more noise is my speculation), or she was altered by some sort of substance.
If I had to choose one, Id say it's to warn him not to make noise. I think she got hot headed and we know the rest. I don't think there is a lot to figure out in this case, but that's opinion of course.

Amateur speculation and opinion only.

 

[Jax49]

It took me a long time to find this witness account.

Kinsey added, “I heard the lady cop say ‘I need to call my partner’ and another cop said ‘okay go but don’t tell him anything.'” She called what happened an “absolute tragedy” and characterized the story as “bizarre.” last updated Sept. 9 Botham Jean Shooting: Woman Says Video Shows Aftermath | Heavy.com

Thank you for the effort. I'd missed that statement.

 

[kaen]

You are welcome. I thought I had linked. When I couldn't find it, I thought I was losing my mind.

 

[Jax49]

You are welcome. I thought I had linked. When I couldn't find it, I thought I was losing my mind.

LOL. I'm sure I haven't read everything linked so it is probably on the last thread.

 

[rosesfromangels]

We are speaking of THIS officer. Of course, there are other police officers out there who also do bad things but no one is saying all cops are bad.

Respectfully snipped for focus.

Thank you. I am a staunch supporter of The Blue, and what this woman did is a disgrace to the uniform and the honor of this noble profession.

Amateur opinion and speculation only.

 

[raven9860]

How do we know that? I know she asked if she could make a call on the scene AFTER responders arrived, but, I was unaware any limits or qualifications were specified.

Yes. Dallas news reports stated that she requested and was allowed to call her partner. Also said that she was told not to discuss the situation during the call.

That has infuriated me since I watched it on the news. I can't imagine that PD would allow me to call a co-worker while my victim was laying dead in front of me.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Oh, she is moving out of her apartment? I would guesss apartment management suggested that she do that. Doubt residents of the building would want to continue to live there if she stayed.

I'm sure she did it for her own safety. And of course the safety of anyone who dare knock on her door. I HOPE ALL HER WEAPONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN FROM HER?!

Amateur speculation and opinion only.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

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[kaen]

ETA: Good article from Police magazine on the overall benefits of a warrant. Search Warrant Basics

Correct me if I am wrong. We have heard over time that a search warrant is preferable to a consent search, no? With a warrant it is ensured that proper work has been done and a judge signing off further legitimizes the gathering of information that results. With a consent search, the lack of specificity of what the LEO is looking for or not looking for obfuscates what information would be helpful to the case. In the case of a police officer, a consent search means there is no paper trail, no agreement on what evidence could be/should be collected. The area of the consent search is then released back to the police officer. In this case, after the consent search she could have removed, cleaned up, set a scene that would be favorable to her in the event of a future warrant. If it is the case that they don't get warrants in officer involved shootings, then the practice should be changed. At the very least, a warrant would signify that the department/prosecutor are looking to provide transparency.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

A cellphone? video exists of an exchange sounding much like this but I do not recall hearing any mention of who she was asking to call...... more like, 'can I make a phone call?' and then, 'yes'

It took me a long time to find this witness account.

Kinsey added, “I heard the lady cop say ‘I need to call my partner’ and another cop said ‘okay go but don’t tell him anything.'” She called what happened an “absolute tragedy” and characterized the story as “bizarre.” last updated Sept. 9 Botham Jean Shooting: Woman Says Video Shows Aftermath | Heavy.com

 

[rosesfromangels]

At the very least, a warrant would signify that the department/prosecutor are looking to provide transparency.

Respectfully snipped for focus.
I have no doubt the department & prosecutor are going to be very careful and play strictly by the books. There are plenty of angry eyes carefully scrutinizing the next steps of all involved in this tragic event.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Maybe body cam or other video exists of the consent along with the actual search that any judge would have granted a warrant for up to and maybe including a wild fishing trip under these circumstances with just a little suggestion of how come

Correct me if I am wrong. We have heard over time that a search warrant is preferable to a consent search, no? With a warrant it is ensured that proper work has been done and a judge signing off further legitimizes the gathering of information that results. With a consent search, the lack of specificity of what the LEO is looking for or not looking for obfuscates what information would be helpful to the case. In the case of a police officer, a consent search means there is no paper trail, no agreement on what evidence could be/should be collected. The area of the consent search is then released back to the police officer. In this case, after the consent search she could have removed, cleaned up, set a scene that would be favorable to her in the event of a future warrant. If it is the case that they don't get warrants in officer involved shootings, then the practice should be changed. At the very least, a warrant would signify that the department/prosecutor are looking to provide transparency.