TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #2

[DisturbedConcerned]

Indeed, she has intruded into her victim's domicile, slain him, and then either performed CPR the dialed 911 OR dialed 911 and maybe performed CPR but only turned the light on after CPR or 911 and then went to check the room number AFTER all that, even standing over the decedent's dying body in his home she presented? as if she did not know where she was.

She should have known she was on the 4th floor and that she allegedly thought she walked to her apartment except, on the 4th floor she should know that would be 1478 instead of 1378 IF she hadn't seen the red rug and illuminated panel showing room number.

And that issue of lights on or off? Smart electric meter data should be helpful in determining if a consumer came on at the time the various and conflicting accounts said she turned the lights on.

Another thing is that the hallways appear well illuminated and his window blinds are shown to have been fully open. Door open and window blinds allowing the city lights to come in (how bright are the city lights coming in, anyone there have an idea?) was that room really dark?

None of it adds up and for anyone to accept the information SHE FED to anyone investigating as fact, is silly. Now to accept the detective or officers' sworn statement of WHAT SHE TOLD THEM, that is a safe bet they probably didn't perjure themselves putting words in her mouth.

I found this pic of the apartment numbers. Looks cool, hadn't seen something like this before. But this plays into the 1st or 2nd story she gave, where she shot him, gave cpr, called 911 and then went outside to look at the address to give 911 and realize it was the wrong apartment.

(why would you need to look at your own apartment number to give 911 though??)

 

[mickey2942]

Then why did LE ask for her consent to search it?

Because, she is on an "elite" task force. She merits special treatment, above the law, not unlike royalty.

1. Not arrested after shooting a man in his own home. Anyone else who had done this crime, would have been cuffed, and processed. They have 72 hours that a criminal can be held with pending charges.

But, she is "elite", of course, so normal rules wouldn't apply to her. She had just worked a FIFTEEN HOUR shift!

This whole situation merits review.

Why is she still employed with pay?! The clock is ticking on that time bomb.

I wonder if her uniform was taken for evidence that night? Probably not. I doubt that there is hardly any blood on it. I don't believe for a minute that she did CPR on Mr. Jean. I bet there was a hole in his chest the size of a crater.

 

[Via Marple]

I went through all the layouts and couldn't find one match the "horse pic" lol. I would say that there are probably several different slight variations in layouts and we won't know until they release more pics or the website updates those particular apartments.

But yes, I see what you're saying, makes sense. He could have been chillin in bed, heard a commotion at the door and popped out to see what was going on. That bedroom door looks like it could be 12-15 from the door.

I think the horse pic is a sample apartment. Maybe in a sales pitch.

Also remember reading somewhere that Bo's apartment is about 800 sq ft. I looked around the rental listings but couldn't find a layout that is exactly that size. So I don't know.

I suspect the doorway is right next to the kitchen though, for gun powder to be found on a kitchen wall.

(Hope I am not spreading faked news this time! Btw really LOL about the internet fumes)

 

[mickey2942]

With the Texas Rangers investigating, they won't release any details. And we probably won't get any details when the case is presented to the Grand jury.

Teeth gnashing!

 

[CARIIS]

Yes. The lawyer for Jean's family brought the noise compaints issue up: Did Amber Guyger Make Noise Complaints on Botham Jean?

From day one I don't really buy the noise stuff

she was at work for 15 hours and was not even home

and every reports uses neighbor in plural - giving me the sense it was just units below not hers

the only way i can connect it is if in the past she had some noise concerns and maybe when she got home there was a note the door from her neighbors like he was noisy again

in addition ( at least that is how it worked in my case when I had a cop living under me) he just bought his own obnoxious butt over and banged on the door aggressively- towered over me (he was huge like 6 6 ) arms folded and ordered me to turn my music down NOW

i just don't see a cop calling in compliant when all they have to do is show up -- they can in general sense arrest for noise complaint so why would a cop complain to someone with less immediate power than them

 

[CARIIS]

completely 100% agree but what i find interesting & worrisome about this theory (and i think maybe the OP was getting at but dont want to speak for them) is that AG may try to use this to her advantage:

shes made quite a mess of her version of events but if she finds a way to spin her story, she could claim/admit that she was heading up there to address noise and/or the smell of weed in a "neighborly way". (this would include backtracking on her original version of events which i hope would cause her to lose credibility). but if shes desperate, she could go as far as to claim that Botham Jean wasnt being noisy when she got home, she was following up from earlier. she could even claim she smelled the weed and didnt see it to be consistent with the darkness.

then, when she saw/smelled drugs in the apartments and he didnt "obey her commands" she was "forced to act as a cop".


now, imo, this is an entirely BS version of what happened and im not sure the specifics of when an off-duty cop can transition on duty. its also an abuse of power on its own - your neighbors shouldnt try to intimidate you based on their profession, (or physically harm and kill you). no matter how ridiculous we all know this is given that its weed (rather than heroine for example) and such a small amount AND SHE HAD NO RIGHT TO BE THERE, imo its also worrisome there are drugs to reference in the apt in terms of Botham Jean receiving fair justice. hoping the entire community (witnesses, GJ, cops, everyone) comes together to find justice for Botham Jean.

it is in this day and age hard to grasp a off duty cop being concerned about some weed in a guys unit

like maybe in a traffic stop or something but someone at their own space smoking some week ought not drive a cop , after 15 hours to not want to anything but shower and sleep ??

I am sure the tox is back by now so unless media demands etc they obviously are not gonna release - which then takes me to I would think if it was clear they would leak it no?

 

[btfly547]

Couldn't get the pic to post how I was hoping (from post#827). Is there a pic somewhere out there of her apartment like this, with the number on it and all? I haven't seen one, but was wondering if her door handle is on the same side as his or opposite side.

 

[btfly547]

Does anyone know for certain when she was drug tested? I have read it was the next day or evening instead of that night (which I would think would be protocol for an officer involved shooting). A lot of things can get out of one's system even in 12 hours.

 

[Leve]

The noise complaint thing doesn't make sense to me.

I read that some think she went to complain about the noise got mad and killed him.

If that were the case then why make up a story that makes her look bad? "I went to the wrong apartment and killed someone"?

If she was investigating a noise complaint she could have just said that he got belligerent and hostile. He was threatening and she feared for her life. She didn't make any errors and was just doing her job. Much, much better story.

 

[btfly547]

As a black female, I don't feel as personally targeted by cops as black males and other minority males probably do. I still don't trust them though. I had a bad break-in a couple years ago involving a gun. At the time I lived in a 98% white neighborhood. I called the cops (I had to hide to call them because I wasn't sure if the robber was still in my home). The dispatcher told me to come out since the police had arrived. My first words were "Tell them I'm a black woman wearing a white robe, I'm the homeowner not the robber, tell them do not shoot me when I open the door". I'm almost positive that would not be the first thought of my neighbors - getting killed by the cops in my own home after calling them for help.
Even after they got there they started saying this was done by someone you know and that has been in your home before. Simply not true, I don't hang out around robbers and people that do things like that. Definitely victim blaming.

Of course it turned out to be someone I did not know and was totally random, but definitely added to my distrust of cops.

 

[Cryptic]

I have often wondered if Botham's parents were cricket fans. There is a very famous British cricketer named Ian Botham and I believe St Kitts was a British colony.

They could well have been cricket fans. Botham, however, was from Saint Lucia, not Saint Kitts.

As a matter of Carribean trivia, control of Saint Lucia was passed between France and Britain in a power play before winding up a British colony. English is the official language, but almost everybody speaks French as well. The victims last name of 'Jean' reflects the island's mixed French / British colonial background.

 

[Leve]

From the video of his apartment showing the living room, if the horse picture apartment photo is the correct layout then it appears to me he was shot in the little hallway right in front of the door.

Again I think he opened the door to her. She may have thought it just swung open on its own or that her key actually worked.

 

[btfly547]

The noise complaint thing doesn't make sense to me.

I read that some think she went to complain about the noise got mad and killed him.

If that were the case then why make up a story that makes her look bad? "I went to the wrong apartment and killed someone"?

If she was investigating a noise complaint she could have just said that he got belligerent and hostile. He was threatening and she feared for her life. She didn't make any errors and was just doing her job. Much, much better story.

As a juror, I "think" I would buy the wrong apartment theory from a cop before the confronting a neighbor story. I do believe she went up to confront him and it went bad. Maybe she lost it when he didn't open up immediately. After he was shot, she probably had a minute or so to come up with a "story". Wrong apartment was probably the one she thought was easier to "sell" than the usual "innocent black man without a weapon killed by cop" story that typically happens.
I definitely don't buy the wrong apartment story. Red mat, illuminated door signs, lighted pathways, and possibly her door handle being on the opposite side?
I'm fairly new to where I live now (still a few months) and all of these townhomes are the exact same color, same door, same garage color. I still have to make sure I go to the right number since that's the only thing distinguishing mine from everyone else's. Now I have a patio bench so that helps as well as a distinctive door mat so I will know for sure. And I frequently work long stressful shifts as a nurse so I'm not buying that line either.

 

[Via Marple]

Couldn't get the pic to post how I was hoping (from post#827). Is there a pic somewhere out there of her apartment like this, with the number on it and all? I haven't seen one, but was wondering if her door handle is on the same side as his or opposite side.

I haven't seen anywhere a pic of her door. The "potted plant" door wasn't it

 

[mickey2942]

I think that it would be very interesting to see a log of phone calls from her phone that day, every single minute.

Was she talking on the phone prior to going to the "wrong" apartment? Who was she talking to? Who did she call after the shots were heard? What was the timeline on that?

If I was on the Grand jury, I would have quite a few questions...

 

[kaen]

I continue to think that the reason that the two stories of what happened are different is because he was not yet deceased when she first told what happened. The two neighbors who heard words spoken ("Let me in") and shots seem to be in line with the first story. All that changed after he was dead---refused to comply with verbal commands and what not. I believe the different story emerged after she was sure he couldn't refute her claims, convenient to her deadly force actions.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

Just checked.
AG's Pinterest no longer exists.

Always watching.

 

[jjenny]

I continue to think that the reason that the two stories of what happened are different is because he was not yet deceased when she first told what happened. The two neighbors who heard words spoken ("Let me in") and shots seem to be in line with the first story. All that changed after he was dead---refused to comply with verbal commands and what not. I believe the different story emerged after she was sure he couldn't refute her claims, convenient to her deadly force actions.

I haven't seen anything to suggest that AG changed her story. We already know DPD didn't originally interview her. She was only interviewed by Texas Rangers.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Consent to search saved them from having to get a search warrant which can't just be, we wanna go in and look for any and everything.

I am reasonably sure results from such a seizure do not have to be released to the public and not sure if that requires a public record order sealing such records. A search warrant is public record and an inventory list is as well short of claiming Rule 16 protection or a court order sealing the records.

I haven't seen anything to specifically indicate what, if anything, the Rangers seized of hers and keep in mind, it appears nearly a week later, DPD decided they will step up and start their own investigation and who knows if the Rangers are sharing information and such.

I think the seizure papers recently produced, void of any descriptors other than one or two with unit numbers, don't really clarify which agency did the seizing and the handwriting it not too great. Interesting they took door lock mechanisms off both places and system logs along with keys.

It would appear public outcry over the Ranger's handling and the optics of how she has been treated resulted in DPD realizing they had to look like they weren't biased towards one of their own.

It appears that cat got out of the bag that night when she wasn't booked into custody to await a staggering bail bond hearing.

I have my doubts that two allegedly independent investigations will serve to see justice is done but, I'm hopeful. I'm cynical enough to think two such forces will likely serve to provide even more errors making it where her counsel is able to get her walking papers on a myriad of possible technicalities.

Can somebody post the walk thru of Mr. Jean's apartment showing the cluttered mess as presumably published by counselor Meritt? Assuming his place was neat prior, one must wonder how well documented the intital search and possible scene tampering truly was.

Because, she is on an "elite" task force. She merits special treatment, above the law, not unlike royalty.

1. Not arrested after shooting a man in his own home. Anyone else who had done this crime, would have been cuffed, and processed. They have 72 hours that a criminal can be held with pending charges.

But, she is "elite", of course, so normal rules wouldn't apply to her. She had just worked a FIFTEEN HOUR shift!

This whole situation merits review.

Why is she still employed with pay?! The clock is ticking on that time bomb.

I wonder if her uniform was taken for evidence that night? Probably not. I doubt that there is hardly any blood on it. I don't believe for a minute that she did CPR on Mr. Jean. I bet there was a hole in his chest the size of a crater.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Then you haven't looked. It is probably unreasonable to believe the officers swearing affidavits changed her story for her.

What in the actual feck do you think DPD LEO responders were doing when they spoke to her and many others on the scene 4 minutes after her 911 call???

Standing around flipping coins to see who will do nothing before being ordered to submit to the Rangers???

Sept 7 Search Warrant Affidavit
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4878230/Affidavit-to-search-Botham-Jean-s-apartment.pdf

Affidavit of Arrest Warrant
Full arrest warrant affidavit for Dallas police officer Amber Guyger

I haven't seen anything to suggest that AG changed her story. We already know DPD didn't originally interview her. She was only interviewed by Texas Rangers.