TX TX - Brandon Lawson, 26, San Angelo, 8 Aug 2013 - #3

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  • #421
To see them online you have to sync your phone to download all info. But in normal circumstances when phone are synced you will be able to see date and time (remember this comes from apple) however I am not sure if you can see details because anyone could read texts.

With AT&T all I have to do is go online and I can see who texted, called or sent data to whom. I am the account holder so I have the username and password. In other words, if LL could see BL's online account (which is a doable thing I believe), then she would know the phone numbers he texted, called etc, but not the content of the texts.
 
  • #422
IMO- I feel that his bailbondsman needs to be looked at. I think this story has something to do with drugs, drug deals gone bad, warrants, some one who is now liable for $50 grand, a cover up and a run away. You come up missing and assumed dead the 50 grand is null and void, think about that for a second..THis is all MOO

Any idea who put up collateral for that size bond? I would assume his parents put it up using a home or something. Any way of finding that out? I don't think a bailbondsman would not bond him out without collateral on a bond that size.
 
  • #423
I had a situation recently. A friend trying to get text messages sent from a phone which was on her account. She paid the bill, it was in her name, but belonged to her husband. She called to see what it took to get copies of text messages. (This was AT&T BTW). She was told it was not available. When she questioned them about how does LE get them then? She was told LE can get them under subpoena in extreme cases such as a murder, but they are not readily available for the asking. I doubt very seriously they were retrieved from BL's phone account. I would think she may have copies that were gotten from the people he texted who volunteered to give them to her. I think this is another misinformation from LL.

Yes this is true, people get upset because we do not have immediate record of it. There is no way we can store all of that. Yes they are VERY difficult to get and usually with an adult MP case they will not give detail because it could just be a domestic issue and there are also laws on what info we can give out. Trust me you can't just get details in 72 hours.
 
  • #424
I had a situation recently. A friend trying to get text messages sent from a phone which was on her account. She paid the bill, it was in her name, but belonged to her husband. She called to see what it took to get copies of text messages. (This was AT&T BTW). She was told it was not available. When she questioned them about how does LE get them then? She was told LE can get them under subpoena in extreme cases such as a murder, but they are not readily available for the asking. I doubt very seriously they were retrieved from BL's phone account. I would think she may have copies that were gotten from the people he texted who volunteered to give them to her. I think this is another misinformation from LL.

That is true, there is no way that we can store these and have them readily at our finger tips, yes I have been cussed out over this. it is very hard to get details especially when it comes to an adult MP, it could just be a domestic dispute and the companies dont want tied up in that. Yes you have to have a subpoena to get the details and it is not an easy process. There is no way that you can get them in 72 hours. So IMO she does NOT have the detail of the texts, if she does have them then it makes me wonder does she have the phone?
 
  • #425
Any idea who put up collateral for that size bond? I would assume his parents put it up using a home or something. Any way of finding that out? I don't think a bailbondsman would not bond him out without collateral on a bond that size.

You usually have to pay 10% of the bail which is $5000.00. The collateral has to be free and clear. I know where I live I can see who the bailbondman is, who posted bail and if the responsibility has been transfered to some one else. I will have to look into Texas and see if that is public record. I had to bail a person out 1 time I gave the initial $2500.00 and when I found out some more info, I went in and signed release of responsibility and some one else had to sign. That is all public record.
 
  • #426
With AT&T all I have to do is go online and I can see who texted, called or sent data to whom. I am the account holder so I have the username and password. In other words, if LL could see BL's online account (which is a doable thing I believe), then she would know the phone numbers he texted, called etc, but not the content of the texts.

I do remember LL saying she has all BL's passwords to his accounts, FB, etc. so IMO, you are right.
 
  • #427
I do remember LL saying she has all BL's passwords to his accounts, FB, etc. so IMO, you are right.

I think the confusion here is that she says she has details of the messages. You can not get those online. [modsnip]
 
  • #428
In all of the OE reports, I stated the deputies were responding to a 911 call about a stranded motorist who had run out of gas. The location info wasn't good - mainly road to Abilene. 277 is our main road to Abilene. The trucker's call a few minutes later confirmed 277. SO dispatch knew the stranded motorist had called it in. However, it took a few days to get a recording of the call. The lady who knew how to do that wasn't in town that weekend. The Sheriff's Office has nothing to do with the 911 system - operators, set-up, equipment.

This is where I m confused and hope you can explain. Why are MSM reports varying from one deputy to two deputies? [modsnip] WM stated one deputy clearly in a media interview. How can so many MSM report such variances? I think this is very important as the more I read the more I'm convinced a car happened to come, or was there before a deputy or deputies arrived, and BL is no where near his truck.
 
  • #429
This is where I m confused and hope you can explain. Why are MSM reports varying from one deputy to two deputies? [modsnip] WM stated one deputy clearly in a media interview. How can so many MSM report such variances? I think this is very important as the more I read the more I'm convinced a car happened to come, or was there before a deputy or deputies arrived, and BL is no where near his truck.


IMO the MSM reports vary because the story or timeline they get from the family has varied, they can only report it as the family tells the "story". I think the confusion with the deputy(s) is that all that was conveyed to the actual SO dispatcher was that there was a vehicle that was parked in a hazardous way & posed a possible danger to oncoming traffic, but they were unsure of the said vehicles actual location, therefore they sent one deputy north of town & sent the other deputy south of town. Once the deputy that was sent south reported he had found the hazardous vehicle, the deputy that was sent north was called off, I don't think he was ever on site with the other deputy at the vehicle. This is just moo & the way I read it.
 
  • #430
RW I have a few questions and have asked in previous posts, that you may have missed:

1. You've mentioned "assistance" in Brandon leaving "the scene" if he was "on the run" which would mean a car, or other mode of transportation, would have been needed for him to leave. Wouldn't that work both ways? He left the scene but not to be on the run but instead those he left with harmed him a number of miles away? Isn't that a possibility?

What do you hear on the 911 call?

A. Do you hear "There's one car here?"
B. Do you hear "we're not talking to em?" (As in plural that someone else is with BL?)
C. Do you hear another male voice saying "yeah" to the ambulance while BL says "no I need a cop?"

2. If LE believed BL was hiding, what was point to look for buzzards come morning? You said the tape was not reviewed for a number of days due to woman being out of office, so if that was the case and all MSM is saying (in early days) is that the call was merely for a stranded motorist who ran out of gas, why would buzzard awareness be in play? Especially when KL said BL "stepped away?"

3. Was LE aware at the stranded motorist call that the dispatcher heard "I ran into them?" Or was that not discovered until the review of the tape?

4. Was any other person with KL and A at the scene?

5. Do you agree with my previous comment that MSM SanAngeloLive cannot say a Press Release by the TxDPS if in fact their media dept. did not release an official PR and whatever they reported (You stated was given to them by the lead investigator) would be considered an email inquiry, or phone update, by the lead investigator and that it should not have been reported as a PR?

6. Was the 911 call sent to experts for voice interpretation? I agree it is garbled and frustrating which has led me to this case to begin with! I want to know exactly what he is saying!

Back to buzzards.

I. You spoke of watching for circling buzzards and that makes sense in the first 24 hours or so but I'm thinking that was not a real concern at onset. Am I correct?

II. A group of buzzards can devour an animal, or human, in a matter of hours so at this point between the summer heat, decomp and "feedings" why now? Not to be graphic, however, all that would remain are bones and tattered clothing and that could literally blend into the ground, trees, roots, shrubbery and possibly not even visible by aerial views.

Are you familiar with other cadavers found in Texas of those missing and not found for months, or even years, and all their clothing is in fact intact and "shards" we're not left around as clues? (Found in fields, not buried by foul play)

Are you familiar with FACTS at the University of Texas and their work with buzzards?

When you spoke of Brandon's "condition" shouldn't' that escalate the belief that something really did happen to him that probably turned fatal as opposed to "hiding?" Statistics of missing show when under the influence one is more prone to poor choices and when they go missing a large majority are found deceased in bodies of water . Was the river searched with boats and equipment? I can't get past the "we're" on the 911 call so I am convinced someone was with him and "they" took him away when he fled and that river bothers me because if he was UTI in his panicked I would venture to say that is another possible location to search. What do you think?



Thank you for your forthcoming replies and sorry so long! I felt it would be easier this way.
 
  • #431
IMO the MSM reports vary because the story or timeline they get from the family has varied, they can only report it as the family tells the "story". I think the confusion with the deputy(s) is that all that was conveyed to the actual SO dispatcher was that there was a vehicle that was parked in a hazardous way & posed a possible danger to oncoming traffic, but they were unsure of the said vehicles actual location, therefore they sent one deputy north of town & sent the other deputy south of town. Once the deputy that was sent south reported he had found the hazardous vehicle, the deputy that was sent north was called off, I don't think he was ever on site with the other deputy at the vehicle. This is just moo & the way I read it.

I agree regarding the deputies, and somewhat agree about the "family." I say somewhat because I think even they don't know what happened to BL and from all I've read on the HFBL site I've a feeling misreports occurred due to what he told the family and they just repeated it on. Such as oilfield workers helped him search until 4:30 am? How did they get there? Who were they? Where did BL go before the truck ran out of gas? Why do they say he was on phone with BL at time of deputy yet WM said A was on phone with him? Why is KL in every part of the eve that surrounds BL missing yet doesn't do a single MSM interview? I'm not saying he has any hand in BL's missing but I am saying from all I've read he could surely clear a lot of this up!
 
  • #432
There are fields/woods everywhere out there. From San Angelo to Abilene. Where would one narrow a search area down to? Ping/gps data from his phone is probably one of the best tools to use. IF the ping data is correct then it's unlikely he was 10 minutes by car in any direction. I haven't looked but I would assume there are more towers out there that the signal would have pinged. The cell phone data really is important. I just don't know how accurate it is or how well LL understands it.

The data is important, IMO, but not the gps/ping as the "tell all" may not be. Too many possibilities as the "final ping" , that was said to be 3 miles away on HFBL, may not have been in his possession at all? I agree with how to narrow the search down as complicated but I also believe when any of the searches are done they should always have cadaver dogs and pro SAR.
 
  • #433
IMO- we don't even know that was Brandon's voice on the call. We don't know if he even left the truck there. I find it odd that KL showed up the same time LE did and KL had no gas and NO vehicle, because A had the vehicle talking to BL. Why didn't LE ask how he got there? Why is KL and A not even talking of this? [modsnip] There has been nothing new on this case and how do we know she was on the helicopter? Yes some one said they saw a helicopter but we don't know who was on it. [modsnip]
Now check out this link http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-San-Angelo-Texas.html

These are all MOO and if I stepped out of line you can delete this
 
  • #434
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  • #435
IMO- we don't even know that was Brandon's voice on the call. We don't know if he even left the truck there. I find it odd that KL showed up the same time LE did and KL had no gas and NO vehicle, because A had the vehicle talking to BL. Why didn't LE ask how he got there? Why is KL and A not even talking of this? [modsnip]
Now check out this link http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-San-Angelo-Texas.html

These are all MOO and if I stepped out of line you can delete this
I recall a post in which RW clearly said LL is a victim as are the children. Because LL doesn't answer questions on last ping may be due to wanting LE to explore the area and not the public? Maybe LE has told her to not discuss it?
Where is link, please, to KL walking up to the scene? That is quite interesting!
 
  • #436
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:great::great:LOL Let's not forget, while some are lurking here that we're no different for lurking there. Right? :Great:
 
  • #437
I don't think I've read this article before (although some of you may have). But this BBM sentence is interesting and false according to what we know. The 911 call was NOT the last B was heard from because he was communicating with K and A AFTER the 911 call.



http://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/s...ers-will-spark-n/13945/LpyuY-HupkWiQYXO2e98jw

Oh no, not another one! I'm starting to lose faith with MSM in that region! Maybe we can encourage RW to write more from LE's perspective and maybe others will follow the same?
 
  • #438
[modsnip]

I'm pretty sure the family know his voice. If any question, LE would know and doubtful they would release a 911 call if it wasn't BL.
 
  • #439
I'm pretty sure the family know his voice. If any question, LE would know and doubtful they would release a 911 call if it wasn't BL.

They released the call to verify the voice per HFBL- NOT to be released to the public. We are taking the famlies word it is his voice.
 
  • #440
I recall a post in which RW clearly said LL is a victim as are the children. Because LL doesn't answer questions on last ping may be due to wanting LE to explore the area and not the public? Maybe LE has told her to not discuss it?
Where is link, please, to KL walking up to the scene? That is quite interesting!

Read the timeline- .Kyle along with his girlfriend, Audrey headed out to take Brandon gas.The police and Kyle showed up at the same time in Bronte to where Brandon's truck was located about 4 ½ miles N of Bronte, ¼ of a block from a rest stop,while Audrey waited up he road while talking to Brandon, but Brandon was not there.
 
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