TX TX - Brandon Lawson, 26, San Angelo, 8 Aug 2013 - #4

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  • #921
Welcome Blake!!!
Thank you for your POV, it's always good to have a fresh set of eyes & ears!!!


The thoughts & opinions stated above are that, MY random thoughts & opinions.
 
  • #922
Hi all--first time poster here. I stumbled across the case via a Youtube "Top 5" list (of creepy unexplained phone calls) and my wife and I became a bit obsessed about it.

I believe I read most of the posts on all of these threads, though it is possible that I missed something, so bear with me a bit.

One thing I was curious about that I never saw mentioned was how bright the moon was on the night of Brandon's disappearance. There was a crescent moon that night, meaning only about 8% of the moon's light was visible. This would be the 2nd-darkest kind of night, right behind a new moon. So if Brandon were 'in a field' or 'in the woods,' absent his phone light and/or a possible flashlight, it would have been very, very dark. I'm skeptical that Brandon was able to cover very much distance at all under those conditions without following the highway itself.

I'm also unconvinced that his cell pings mean anything significant. Although that data has been used in criminal cases (notably Adnan Sayad) there have recently been articles and research posted about how, absent GPS or multiple-tower triangulation, a single ping doesn't mean much in terms of actual location. Example: at my house, if I put my cell phone on my bed, it will connect to an LTE tower about 6 miles south; however, if my phone is on my computer desk in the same room, it connects to a 3G tower about 3 miles to the north. Physically, I'm in the same location--my bedroom--but if you were to just go by cell pings, it would appear that I traveled from my hometown to the next community over. Brandon's cell may not have even connected to the cell tower that was physically closest to him--if he had line of sight to another, which had stronger signal, then that could explain the "river ping." I'm fairly confident that Brandon did NOT make it to the river under his own power.

Another thing I find curious: the 'missing' collage available at the family's website seemingly contradicts itself in several ways.
1) The GPS lat/long coordinates on the 'poster' will place a marker north of the rest stop, but on the west side of the road--opposite Brandon's direction of travel.
2) The text on the poster indicates that the truck was found "slightly north" of the rest stop; however, the images from Google Maps/Street View are of an area a quarter block or so south of the rest stop. You can see the rest stop itself ahead and on the left (indicating the camera is facing north) and the "left side of road" and "right side of road" images are also from that spot--south of the rest stop. Whoever created the poster went out of their way to get these street view images and include them--so my question is, why THAT location, if the truck was found further north, past the rest stop?

If the truck were actually found in the location shown on the poster, then to me it would also help explain the haphazard way Brandon's truck was parked: when he coasted off the road, he noticed something or someone up ahead at the rest stop and parked his truck so that his headlights would illuminate it. I suppose that could be the explanation anyway, even if the truck were truly parked north of the rest stop, but that pullout strikes me as the location of whatever shady business Brandon stumbled onto. Perhaps he saw a car parked there (the 911 call is pretty clear on his "there's one car here" statement.)

It would also explain why he left the truck. At this point, he's already called his brother and asked him to bring some gas to him. There's no reason in the world for Brandon to then leave his truck and start walking in any direction--he'd be waiting in the truck for his brother to arrive with the gas. Or, at the very least, if neither of them had gas money, he'd stay with the truck and wait for his brother to pick him up. My theory is that after he calls his brother, he decides to investigate whatever he sees or hears up ahead. He's not planning to go very far, so he leaves the truck unlocked. He never makes it back.

I keep coming back to the rest stop, but if you notice, there are a lot of tire tracks and ruts on the east side of the road (opposite the picnic area.) My intuition is that explains what Brandon meant by "on both sides." Cars and trucks park/pull over at the rest stop on both sides of the road. The only other things that would make sense for that explanation would be several pipeline right-of-ways that extend "on both sides" off the road, as well as a fairly obvious culvert that crosses under the road a little ways north of the rest stop.

Finally, regarding the 911 audio: I downloaded the MP3 and messed with it in Audacity--slowing the call down, speeding it up, and listening to selected parts over and over again. I'm not really able to add anything to the transcription--it's too garbled at many points--but I don't think he's saying "State trooper" and I don't think he ran the words together, nor does it seem like the tape was edited here. Whatever the word is that sounds like "Staper," I can't make it out. "Pushed some guys over" seems clearer, and to me translates more to a sentiment of perhaps trying to help what Brandon thought was a stranded motorist (the car that he indicates is 'here' in the call.) In other words, maybe they told Brandon that their car died and needed to be "pushed over" to the shoulder. Ted Bundy used a similar technique--asking victims to help him load books into his car.

Anyway--outside the transcription issue is the fact that there definitely is another voice on the recording. Y'all have discussed the strange way Brandon answers "yes..no I need the cops" during the call, with the suggestion that the "yes" comes from a different person. I think that is likely. But there's a better example.

Just before Brandon says what sounds like "That's the first guy," there is a definite voice, further from the phone. I boosted the gain and put that part of the audio on a loop, and it sounds to me like this voice is in the middle of saying "We'll get..." before Brandon's voice, much louder, says "That's the first guy."

Unfortunately, this doesn't mean that there was another person present with Brandon. Since we're listening to a copy of a copy (and we know that a 3rd party audio tech whisper is present on the tape) it could be simply background conversation from either when the police re-recorded the call for Brandon's girlfriend, or background conversation when she herself recorded the recording. The only way to confirm would be to have a 1st-generation copy of the actual call.

At any rate--figured y'all might appreciate a fresh set of eyes and ears. My conclusion is that Brandon walked into something nefarious, ran into the brush and made the 911 call, the calls to his brother's girlfriend, and then was found. My guess is he was taken either at gunpoint or unconscious, put in the perp's vehicle, and driven out of the area before the cops and the brother showed up at the truck. I doubt he's alive.

This was a wonderful 1st post! Welcome!
 
  • #923
Thanks! This case is now in my brain along with Maura Murray. Been obsessing about that one for a couple years now.
 
  • #924
Thanks! This case is now in my brain along with Maura Murray. Been obsessing about that one for a couple years now.

Welcome to #TEAMBRANDON !!!!!


The thoughts & opinions stated above are that, MY random thoughts & opinions.
 
  • #925
I've got a buddy of mine looking at the 911 call to see if he can clean it up some more--he does video and sound editing, so if he's able to make anything out, I'll let you know.

I deliberately didn't tell him anything about the case or the previously-done transcription, so he's coming into it completely fresh.
 
  • #926
One thing that makes this 911 call harder for some to understand is Brandon's distinct Texas accent. He is running a lot of his words together. Thanks for all the newbies input!
 
  • #927
Incredible post ... Totally following your thoughts on the case

Can't wait for the results from the review of the 911 call

:woot: :goodpost:


Hi all--first time poster here. I stumbled across the case via a Youtube "Top 5" list (of creepy unexplained phone calls) and my wife and I became a bit obsessed about it.

I believe I read most of the posts on all of these threads, though it is possible that I missed something, so bear with me a bit.

One thing I was curious about that I never saw mentioned was how bright the moon was on the night of Brandon's disappearance. There was a crescent moon that night, meaning only about 8% of the moon's light was visible. This would be the 2nd-darkest kind of night, right behind a new moon. So if Brandon were 'in a field' or 'in the woods,' absent his phone light and/or a possible flashlight, it would have been very, very dark. I'm skeptical that Brandon was able to cover very much distance at all under those conditions without following the highway itself.

I'm also unconvinced that his cell pings mean anything significant. Although that data has been used in criminal cases (notably Adnan Sayad) there have recently been articles and research posted about how, absent GPS or multiple-tower triangulation, a single ping doesn't mean much in terms of actual location. Example: at my house, if I put my cell phone on my bed, it will connect to an LTE tower about 6 miles south; however, if my phone is on my computer desk in the same room, it connects to a 3G tower about 3 miles to the north. Physically, I'm in the same location--my bedroom--but if you were to just go by cell pings, it would appear that I traveled from my hometown to the next community over. Brandon's cell may not have even connected to the cell tower that was physically closest to him--if he had line of sight to another, which had stronger signal, then that could explain the "river ping." I'm fairly confident that Brandon did NOT make it to the river under his own power.

Another thing I find curious: the 'missing' collage available at the family's website seemingly contradicts itself in several ways.
1) The GPS lat/long coordinates on the 'poster' will place a marker north of the rest stop, but on the west side of the road--opposite Brandon's direction of travel.
2) The text on the poster indicates that the truck was found "slightly north" of the rest stop; however, the images from Google Maps/Street View are of an area a quarter block or so south of the rest stop. You can see the rest stop itself ahead and on the left (indicating the camera is facing north) and the "left side of road" and "right side of road" images are also from that spot--south of the rest stop. Whoever created the poster went out of their way to get these street view images and include them--so my question is, why THAT location, if the truck was found further north, past the rest stop?

If the truck were actually found in the location shown on the poster, then to me it would also help explain the haphazard way Brandon's truck was parked: when he coasted off the road, he noticed something or someone up ahead at the rest stop and parked his truck so that his headlights would illuminate it. I suppose that could be the explanation anyway, even if the truck were truly parked north of the rest stop, but that pullout strikes me as the location of whatever shady business Brandon stumbled onto. Perhaps he saw a car parked there (the 911 call is pretty clear on his "there's one car here" statement.)

It would also explain why he left the truck. At this point, he's already called his brother and asked him to bring some gas to him. There's no reason in the world for Brandon to then leave his truck and start walking in any direction--he'd be waiting in the truck for his brother to arrive with the gas. Or, at the very least, if neither of them had gas money, he'd stay with the truck and wait for his brother to pick him up. My theory is that after he calls his brother, he decides to investigate whatever he sees or hears up ahead. He's not planning to go very far, so he leaves the truck unlocked. He never makes it back.

I keep coming back to the rest stop, but if you notice, there are a lot of tire tracks and ruts on the east side of the road (opposite the picnic area.) My intuition is that explains what Brandon meant by "on both sides." Cars and trucks park/pull over at the rest stop on both sides of the road. The only other things that would make sense for that explanation would be several pipeline right-of-ways that extend "on both sides" off the road, as well as a fairly obvious culvert that crosses under the road a little ways north of the rest stop.

Finally, regarding the 911 audio: I downloaded the MP3 and messed with it in Audacity--slowing the call down, speeding it up, and listening to selected parts over and over again. I'm not really able to add anything to the transcription--it's too garbled at many points--but I don't think he's saying "State trooper" and I don't think he ran the words together, nor does it seem like the tape was edited here. Whatever the word is that sounds like "Staper," I can't make it out. "Pushed some guys over" seems clearer, and to me translates more to a sentiment of perhaps trying to help what Brandon thought was a stranded motorist (the car that he indicates is 'here' in the call.) In other words, maybe they told Brandon that their car died and needed to be "pushed over" to the shoulder. Ted Bundy used a similar technique--asking victims to help him load books into his car.

Anyway--outside the transcription issue is the fact that there definitely is another voice on the recording. Y'all have discussed the strange way Brandon answers "yes..no I need the cops" during the call, with the suggestion that the "yes" comes from a different person. I think that is likely. But there's a better example.

Just before Brandon says what sounds like "That's the first guy," there is a definite voice, further from the phone. I boosted the gain and put that part of the audio on a loop, and it sounds to me like this voice is in the middle of saying "We'll get..." before Brandon's voice, much louder, says "That's the first guy."

Unfortunately, this doesn't mean that there was another person present with Brandon. Since we're listening to a copy of a copy (and we know that a 3rd party audio tech whisper is present on the tape) it could be simply background conversation from either when the police re-recorded the call for Brandon's girlfriend, or background conversation when she herself recorded the recording. The only way to confirm would be to have a 1st-generation copy of the actual call.

At any rate--figured y'all might appreciate a fresh set of eyes and ears. My conclusion is that Brandon walked into something nefarious, ran into the brush and made the 911 call, the calls to his brother's girlfriend, and then was found. My guess is he was taken either at gunpoint or unconscious, put in the perp's vehicle, and driven out of the area before the cops and the brother showed up at the truck. I doubt he's alive.
 
  • #928
Hi all--first time poster here. I stumbled across the case via a Youtube "Top 5" list (of creepy unexplained phone calls) and my wife and I became a bit obsessed about it.

I believe I read most of the posts on all of these threads, though it is possible that I missed something, so bear with me a bit.

One thing I was curious about that I never saw mentioned was how bright the moon was on the night of Brandon's disappearance. There was a crescent moon that night, meaning only about 8% of the moon's light was visible. This would be the 2nd-darkest kind of night, right behind a new moon. So if Brandon were 'in a field' or 'in the woods,' absent his phone light and/or a possible flashlight, it would have been very, very dark. I'm skeptical that Brandon was able to cover very much distance at all under those conditions without following the highway itself.

I'm also unconvinced that his cell pings mean anything significant. Although that data has been used in criminal cases (notably Adnan Sayad) there have recently been articles and research posted about how, absent GPS or multiple-tower triangulation, a single ping doesn't mean much in terms of actual location. Example: at my house, if I put my cell phone on my bed, it will connect to an LTE tower about 6 miles south; however, if my phone is on my computer desk in the same room, it connects to a 3G tower about 3 miles to the north. Physically, I'm in the same location--my bedroom--but if you were to just go by cell pings, it would appear that I traveled from my hometown to the next community over. Brandon's cell may not have even connected to the cell tower that was physically closest to him--if he had line of sight to another, which had stronger signal, then that could explain the "river ping." I'm fairly confident that Brandon did NOT make it to the river under his own power.

Another thing I find curious: the 'missing' collage available at the family's website seemingly contradicts itself in several ways.
1) The GPS lat/long coordinates on the 'poster' will place a marker north of the rest stop, but on the west side of the road--opposite Brandon's direction of travel.
2) The text on the poster indicates that the truck was found "slightly north" of the rest stop; however, the images from Google Maps/Street View are of an area a quarter block or so south of the rest stop. You can see the rest stop itself ahead and on the left (indicating the camera is facing north) and the "left side of road" and "right side of road" images are also from that spot--south of the rest stop. Whoever created the poster went out of their way to get these street view images and include them--so my question is, why THAT location, if the truck was found further north, past the rest stop?

If the truck were actually found in the location shown on the poster, then to me it would also help explain the haphazard way Brandon's truck was parked: when he coasted off the road, he noticed something or someone up ahead at the rest stop and parked his truck so that his headlights would illuminate it. I suppose that could be the explanation anyway, even if the truck were truly parked north of the rest stop, but that pullout strikes me as the location of whatever shady business Brandon stumbled onto. Perhaps he saw a car parked there (the 911 call is pretty clear on his "there's one car here" statement.)

It would also explain why he left the truck. At this point, he's already called his brother and asked him to bring some gas to him. There's no reason in the world for Brandon to then leave his truck and start walking in any direction--he'd be waiting in the truck for his brother to arrive with the gas. Or, at the very least, if neither of them had gas money, he'd stay with the truck and wait for his brother to pick him up. My theory is that after he calls his brother, he decides to investigate whatever he sees or hears up ahead. He's not planning to go very far, so he leaves the truck unlocked. He never makes it back.

I keep coming back to the rest stop, but if you notice, there are a lot of tire tracks and ruts on the east side of the road (opposite the picnic area.) My intuition is that explains what Brandon meant by "on both sides." Cars and trucks park/pull over at the rest stop on both sides of the road. The only other things that would make sense for that explanation would be several pipeline right-of-ways that extend "on both sides" off the road, as well as a fairly obvious culvert that crosses under the road a little ways north of the rest stop.

Finally, regarding the 911 audio: I downloaded the MP3 and messed with it in Audacity--slowing the call down, speeding it up, and listening to selected parts over and over again. I'm not really able to add anything to the transcription--it's too garbled at many points--but I don't think he's saying "State trooper" and I don't think he ran the words together, nor does it seem like the tape was edited here. Whatever the word is that sounds like "Staper," I can't make it out. "Pushed some guys over" seems clearer, and to me translates more to a sentiment of perhaps trying to help what Brandon thought was a stranded motorist (the car that he indicates is 'here' in the call.) In other words, maybe they told Brandon that their car died and needed to be "pushed over" to the shoulder. Ted Bundy used a similar technique--asking victims to help him load books into his car.

Anyway--outside the transcription issue is the fact that there definitely is another voice on the recording. Y'all have discussed the strange way Brandon answers "yes..no I need the cops" during the call, with the suggestion that the "yes" comes from a different person. I think that is likely. But there's a better example.

Just before Brandon says what sounds like "That's the first guy," there is a definite voice, further from the phone. I boosted the gain and put that part of the audio on a loop, and it sounds to me like this voice is in the middle of saying "We'll get..." before Brandon's voice, much louder, says "That's the first guy."

Unfortunately, this doesn't mean that there was another person present with Brandon. Since we're listening to a copy of a copy (and we know that a 3rd party audio tech whisper is present on the tape) it could be simply background conversation from either when the police re-recorded the call for Brandon's girlfriend, or background conversation when she herself recorded the recording. The only way to confirm would be to have a 1st-generation copy of the actual call.

At any rate--figured y'all might appreciate a fresh set of eyes and ears. My conclusion is that Brandon walked into something nefarious, ran into the brush and made the 911 call, the calls to his brother's girlfriend, and then was found. My guess is he was taken either at gunpoint or unconscious, put in the perp's vehicle, and driven out of the area before the cops and the brother showed up at the truck. I doubt he's alive.
Great post, thank you. I like how much thought you put into this. Especially the facts on moonlight.

I thought I heard Brandon say "pushing cows over" in the part of the all about "on both sides". It made me think of cow tipping.
 
  • #929
One thing that makes this 911 call harder for some to understand is Brandon's distinct Texas accent. He is running a lot of his words together. Thanks for all the newbies input!

I should have mentioned...I'm a Texan.
 
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  • #931
Wow great to see all the new people and hear their input. I still think KL and at that time his GF saw something. There are too many discrepancies when it comes to the gas tank being filled, and also right after this happened, KL moved away and the KL's gf was hospitalized. I also found it strange his parents didn't mention anything on their fb page about him missing. If my brother was missing I wouldn't leave the state and my parents would be doing anything and everything to make sure it was known I was missing. Too many things just don't add up. If my so called husband didn't come home, I wouldn't go to the next town and rent a hotel room, I would stay home because that's where he would come first


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  • #932
Has it ever been established how his GF managed to get calls from the brother but none from Brandon?

Everything about this case stinks. I don't trust any of them. I am still not convinced he was ever out there in the first place.
 
  • #933
My only issue with this scenario is if B was in trouble or feared something or someone why didn't he mention it to his brother KL or brother's gf at the time AK when he talked/texted to them AFTER he made the 911 call?
I still believe we aren't hearing the entire 911 call, how many times have you ever heard or even seen on TV that a 911 operator doesn't your name & or your location? This version of the 911 call didn't have that included, so I think there is more to it.


The thoughts & opinions stated above are that, MY random thoughts & opinions.

I have said it many times, this is not the full unedited version of the 911 tape. This is just the portion that was released to his parents to verify his voice.
 
  • #934
I have always thought KL knew BL was in trouble and probably who or what it was about and is too afraid to speak about it publicly. I am probably in the minority on this thread, but I do not suspect family or friends of harming BL and I don't think he is in hiding. But I do feel KL and his GF know more. They owe the public nothing, especially if their lives are at stake also.

Someone knows all the facts, but probably will never give this story up.....who knows, they may not be alive either if this was a drug cartel "problem".

JMO
 
  • #935
I don't think their lives are at stake. If that's the case they wouldn't have stuck around. KL left and then came back


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  • #936
Just before Brandon says what sounds like "That's the first guy," there is a definite voice, further from the phone. I boosted the gain and put that part of the audio on a loop, and it sounds to me like this voice is in the middle of saying "We'll get..." before Brandon's voice, much louder, says "That's the first guy."

I came to post something similar. It definitely sounds like something else was said, but I still think it was Brandon on the phone. "[inaudible] shot the first guy..." is what I'm hearing.
 
  • #937
I came to post something similar. It definitely sounds like something else was said, but I still think it was Brandon on the phone. "[inaudible] shot the first guy..." is what I'm hearing.

I hear "I've got the first guy"....and I think that is who says "yes" when the 911 operator asks if he needs an ambulance. JMO
 
  • #938
I came to post something similar. It definitely sounds like something else was said, but I still think it was Brandon on the phone. "[inaudible] shot the first guy..." is what I'm hearing.

Some one else knows the truth, knows what happened.. I wish they'd come forward. Does anyone know if its possible to get the 911 call in its entirety released? Im positive this version that was released to Brandon's parents for the sole purpose of voice verification to be sure it was Brandon, is not complete, it has been snipped/edited. Also does anyone know if Brandon and anyone else, brother, etc sound similar on the phone? I know even my children cant tell myself and my sister apart over the phone. Just curious. TIA! Incredibly sad another holiday weekend comes to pass with no answers for his poor kiddos.
 
  • #939
Human nature tells us that if we are in trouble, we tell the ones closest to us. We know from family statements BL spoke to Kyle and his gf before the 911 call, but weren't there just texts after the 911 call?

1. Did BLtell/ text KL's gf he was being chased?
2. Did he tell/text KL he was being chased?
3. Was it really BL texting after the 911 call?
4. If so, why did KL not know he was in trouble?

If you look at the family's actions, you can see they are not being entirely truthful with LE, which I can certainly understand IF they knew BL was heading into an illegal drug deal. They think he is just laying low so lets not stir the "pot" with LE. He will come out of the bushes when LE leaves.

It wasn't until they realized something really bad may have occurred that they started wanting LE help and by then LE was not trusting their story.
 
  • #940
It's checking in. Glad to see some renewed interest in Brandon's case. Really hope he's found. This case still bothers me.


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