GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 Aug 2014 - Enrique Arochi kidnapping trial #1

[bellesnwhistles]

Don't forget we have the phones pinging together until 5am. So she walks in the garage with you and doesn't drive out, then your phones are together the rest of the night/morning. she clearly went with him whether it was willingly or not. He knows what happened to her and if he were innocent he tell where he left her but he's not.

 

[bellesnwhistles]

I agree CookieM. In regards to if EA decided to leave PP's first or Christina, I am wishing we had live audio because this would not be a concern but, we have:
#1: Valerie Wigglesworth
3h3 hours ago
Valerie Wigglesworth ‏@vlwigg
Petrosky said Morris seemed OK to drive. Arochi said he was leaving and Morris said she'd leave then to. #arochitrial

And #2:

Jobin Panicker
3h3 hours ago
Jobin Panicker ‏@jobinpnews
Petrosky says #ChristinaMorris first agreed to leave home. Then says Arochi agreed to leave #ArochiTrial

Hm... So could be a case of misquoting. Wish it was televised

 

[SteveS]

His client is already in prison for his dealing. His fifth today has to do with not wanting to be implicated in a kidnapping charge, or if her remains are found, a murder charge.

The appeals court will decide whether their pleas stick. The defense attorneys got what they needed on record for that part of the appeal.

I disagree completely on the idea that the 5th Amendment posture by HF and his buddy had to do with kidnapping and murder. That's just my opinion, that it was about drug-related things, but the way all the attorneys and court treated things, that apparently was the belief the court had as well (perhaps from the content of off-the-record sidebar conversations). Notice this judge didn't offer immunity because he "couldn't" have offered immunity to DRUG charges (which are usually federal charges) - - but, if it was only pertaining to THIS crime, those are state laws and completely within his control to offer immunity for testimony.

Of course, from afar, no one can really say with any certainty what HF didn't want to talk about truthfully under oath. You don't know what you don't know.

The idea that those 5th Amendment refusals will be appealed and won't stick is fairly absurd, however, since HF's right not to testify and jeopardize himself trumps any desire for HF to get him to do so. It's not even a close call. And that doesn't even consider the fact that HF is no more than a tangential character to this case, as he's not a defendant, nor a co-defendant, and no evidence truly puts him anywhere near the crime. (The idea that they should be able to put him on the stand, merely in a fishing expedition to see if he might be involved, is not an actual option for anyone else either. All trials would be absurd theater if such was allowed.)

 

[SteveS]

Except the whole "beyond a reasonable doubt" thing. They can bring out stupid, unlikely reasons for her DNA to end up there and he could get off because of it. We need a body. If he gets off and then we find it...well I don't even want to think about that. I hope this gets better.

None of us wants to think about a body being found. But with (or even without) a body, he could still end up facing murder charges, regardless of the outcome this time around. And imo we've seen nothing of particular concern so far in this case anyhow -- it's hard to realize, but a trial is rarely linear like it is on TV, but instead it's an ongoing mixed bag, producing a bit of an emotional roller-coaster from one day to the next, sometimes even from moment to moment. They haven't even scratched the surface yet.

 

[Circleoflife]

I'm from Allen but didn't want to say too much until the trial. EA had friends and was not considered the creepy guy some people assumed him to be. He was considered quiet and maybe a little goofy. Now that doesn't mean he wasn't hiding this dark side and wasn't doing things that make the rest of us question his morals but just wanted to clarify that his friends didn't think he could ever do something like this.
CM's friends are not throwing ANY shade on EA so far. Perhaps when this is all over, they'll ask him to be their child's soccer coach.

 

[SteveS]

I'm from Allen but didn't want to say too much until the trial. EA had friends and was not considered the creepy guy some people assumed him to be. He was considered quiet and maybe a little goofy. Now that doesn't mean he wasn't hiding this dark side and wasn't doing things that make the rest of us question his morals but just wanted to clarify that his friends didn't think he could ever do something like this.
CM's friends are not throwing ANY shade on EA so far. Perhaps when this is all over, they'll ask him to be their child's soccer coach.

The Predator Lurking Next Door ...sounds like the makings of a TV movie.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Don't forget we have the phones pinging together until 5am. So she walks in the garage with you and doesn't drive out, then your phones are together the rest of the night/morning. she clearly went with him whether it was willingly or not. He knows what happened to her and if he were innocent he tell where he left her but he's not.

Good point. Hard to explain that. But I'm not a phone expert. Prosecutors brought it up but didn't hear defense esplain.

 

[Circleoflife]

Also want to point out that there are still a lot of people who know the parties involved - the friends, HF, CM, EA, LP, who still think HF was involved somehow, ( everyone here knew HF was bad news) that EA couldn't have pulled this off by himself and these same people still can't imagine EA even doing it unless he was threatened somehow. Then there are some who think if EA did something to her, and they only think this after the lies emerged and the DNA, that he was messed up because of the booze, etc.,made a pass at her because he had the opportunity and not because he planned it, she fought and he killed her accidentally or to keep her quiet. They still can't fathom how he pulled off hiding her body with no help. They don't think he's smart enough. And yes, Steve S, I know murderers often have the dark hidden side but I still wanted to point out EA had friends, and yes, they weren't choir boys either and yes, EA was heading down a bad path even before this but murder? No, no one thought this could happen. And yes, I believe the evidence certainly makes him guilty of doing something to Christina and I want the truth to be told to bring her home!

 

[roadrunnermt]

Maybe he was supposed to pick her up around Granite Parkway?
This whole thing is getting ugly. And it doesn't surprise me one bit that Hunter didn't testify.

JMO

Wouldn't there be text evidence of this if so?

 

[Circleoflife]

The Predator Lurking Next Door ...sounds like the makings of a TV movie.

Steve, I knew you'd say something like that.

 

[roadrunnermt]

So this is the reason of the defense's statement about the lime green Kia in opening statements, very interesting.

If there was nothing suspicious in CM's evening and/or about EA, why did she feel the need to call her friend to say everything was okay while walking to the garage?

 

[CookieM]

Wouldn't there be text evidence of this if so?

Personally, I don't think that the phone HF so willingly offered up to LE was his only communication device. If you are dealing drugs you probably have a burner or two. And we know that EA had multiple phones in his car when the cops first looked in it as well.
All my opinion of course.

 

[SteveS]

Steve, I knew you'd say something like that.

LOL yeah, I call it like I see it. I see the lies to PD trying to find his friend, then more lies, theft of a phone, then as they look closer they find out about the rape of a minor, and I really think he's more about having a good image than being a good person. Can't you imagine him killing CM and hiding her body because he tried to rape her, she resisted, and he was scared it would make him look bad if she called LE? Murder in a "one thing led to another" scene is still murder, and still evil. "I only meant to rape her and then I got scared and I had no choice" is not an excuse, and is pretty pathetic too. And what if he gets away with it once - you want your daughter or niece or sister living in his vicinity? Man, I sure don't.

 

[CookieM]

If there was nothing suspicious in CM's evening and/or about EA, why did she feel the need to call her friend to say everything was okay while walking to the garage?

We haven't heard anything about it so far in the trial but the tv show Disappeard (that was the name of it, wasn't it?) had all these statements from the friends about how her exBF and HF "ran into each other" at a club in Dallas and HF was wanting to kick his a$$. Supposedly this was what all the fighting was about. They even showed copies of her phone records and she had talked to the exBF on the phone after leaving the apt. Because of that I would guess that her friend SN knew she was very upset about that situation and that's why she told him she was okay.

The lawyers are certainly going to focus the questioning on whether she was upset because of Arochi or her fear of Arochi. They don't really have to solve any other riddles. Unfortunately for us.

Maybe be we will get more info about that when SN takes the stand.

moo

 

[Latestforever]

If there was nothing suspicious in CM's evening and/or about EA, why did she feel the need to call her friend to say everything was okay while walking to the garage?

IDK, I was just trying to make a connection to defense's opening statements about the lime green Kia.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Following this case I felt (later) and still feel EA is probably guilty but if I'm a juror I have a ***** ton of questions.

 

[allmybecsloveme]

None of us wants to think about a body being found. But with (or even without) a body, he could still end up facing murder charges, regardless of the outcome this time around. And imo we've seen nothing of particular concern so far in this case anyhow -- it's hard to realize, but a trial is rarely linear like it is on TV, but instead it's an ongoing mixed bag, producing a bit of an emotional roller-coaster from one day to the next, sometimes even from moment to moment. They haven't even scratched the surface yet.

I feel it's very concerning so far. We do still have a ways to go, which is good. But it's worrisome IMO just from what I know from majoring in CJ. There have been people go free with similar evidence that "looks" damning. We all know he did it but that doesn't mean anything. What I'm saying is unless we learn something big and new he could go free if there is no body.

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[allmybecsloveme]

I'm from Allen but didn't want to say too much until the trial. EA had friends and was not considered the creepy guy some people assumed him to be. He was considered quiet and maybe a little goofy. Now that doesn't mean he wasn't hiding this dark side and wasn't doing things that make the rest of us question his morals but just wanted to clarify that his friends didn't think he could ever do something like this.
CM's friends are not throwing ANY shade on EA so far. Perhaps when this is all over, they'll ask him to be their child's soccer coach.

I went to school with a guy who was a huge clown. Sweet as pie, never gave me any weird vibes. He was arrested on child charges after we graduated.

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[TCMom]

I went to school with a guy who was a huge clown. Sweet as pie, never gave me any weird vibes. He was arrested on child charges after we graduated.

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Same thing happened to me with a guy that I worked with. I thought he was awesome and such a nice guy - super smart, fresh out of college - I was in my 30s - just thought he was a good "kid". I left the company and not too long after that he was arrested for child . I was horrified and a little disappointed in myself that I wasn't a better judge of character and didn't detect that something was off. You just NEVER know.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

If there was nothing suspicious in CM's evening and/or about EA, why did she feel the need to call her friend to say everything was okay while walking to the garage?

HF didn't have a Kia. Another person does