GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 Aug 2014 - Enrique Arochi kidnapping trial #2

[arkansasmimi]

As I read the tweets it seemed the expert was saying that there was an 'anomaly' that indicated damage but the video didn't clarify if it was or wasn't.
AN anomaly could be light reflection, darkness, movement, etc. but no clear frame that showed damage.

As SteveS says the answer will have to come from other testimony. The video was not good enough.


MOO

Respectfully BBM. Very well could be true, but bottom line is there was a huge possibility created for reasonable doubt by this witness testimony for the jury. Depends on how good their note taking is and seeing it first hand. JMHO, It will definitely be something the Defense will use in closing arguments.

Well that witness said both ways.. That witness was an IT guy. This appeared to be some big piece of evidence or very important in the least and it in the end just muddied the water . JMHO. Because the Def when the jury was brought back in, played a video of defendant and CM entering into the garage. We do not know what was the outcome. But this testimony at least for me created a possibility of reasonable doubt. But I am open minded to not form an opinion of guilt or innocence yet.

Plano Star Courier ‏@planonewspaper 7m7 minutes ago
Sawyer says video shows damage to front passenger fender above wheel
#arochitrial

and later states:


Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 6m6 minutes ago
Sawyer says b/c low resolution of video he can't say whether any damage to car, whether it had passenger #arochitrial

After the judge sent the jury out and had a hearing and the judge advised the witness to choose his words

Plano Star Courier ‏@planonewspaper 52s53 seconds ago
Prosecutors and defense attorneys now speaking with Judge Rusch. Can't hear what they're saying. Something about evidence? #arochitrial

Plano Star Courier ‏@planonewspaper 23s24 seconds ago
Rusch: "I have a matter of law to take care of. I'm not taking any chances." Jury leaving room. #arochitrial

The Mercury ‏@utdmercury 1m1 minute ago
Jury dismissed from room, defense now questioning Sawyer on timeline of videos and his testimony #ArochiTrial

Plano Star Courier ‏@planonewspaper 48s48 seconds ago
Miears argues Sawyer contradicted himself as to whether or not he could see the damage to the car from the video. #arochitrial

Valerie Wigglesworth ‏@vlwigg 1m1 minute ago
Defense objecting to Sawyer's analysis of video on Camaro, suggesting report flip-flops on whether Camaro had damage. Jury sent out

The Mercury ‏@utdmercury 2m2 minutes ago
Jury dismissed from room, defense now questioning Sawyer on timeline of videos and his testimony #ArochiTrial

Plano Star Courier ‏@planonewspaper 2m2 minutes ago
Miears argues Sawyer contradicted himself as to whether or not he could see the damage to the car from the video. #arochitrial

Plano Star Courier ‏@planonewspaper 1m1 minute ago
"Mr. Sawyer, I would choose my words carefully." - Judge Mark Rusch #arochitrial

Alice Barr ‏@AliceBarrNBC5 1m1 minute ago
Jury stepped out while defense challenges Plano PD IT specialist about whether he believes there was damage on Camaro in video. #ArochiTrial

**Side note, at that time it was not just 1 reporter tweeting stuff, there were a handful and tweeting same common info.
JMHO

 

[MIKAYOYO]

MY thoughts about the friends are....Do they have any reason to not be totally honest? Are they being faithful to EA? Or are they worried about themselves? Or did he just snap..

I still believe she went with him willingly. After that, who knows. I believe drugs play huge role.

 

[arkansasmimi]

MY thoughts about the friends are....Do they have any reason to not be totally honest? Are they being faithful to EA? Or are they worried about themselves? Or did he just snap..

Remember too, they have to testify just like they did on their orig statements back 2 years ago. OR the defense (or the Pros) can use them to impeach their testimony. LOL Dont ask a question unless you know how they are going to answer and also the Def can only cross examine about stuff brought out in direct questioning.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

I still believe she went with him willingly. After that, who knows. I believe drugs play huge role.

I'm feeling like she thought she was going to get a ride home w him from what people are saying about her wanting to leave so badly and asking SN for a ride.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Valerie Wigglesworth ‏@vlwigg 3m3 minutes ago
Updated: Timeline being built at trial for night Christina Morris went missing http://beta.dallasnews.com/news/cri...ilt-trial-night-christina-morris-went-missing … via @dallasnews

Friend Steven Nickerson testified that he called Morris from the apartment to make sure she got safely to her car. She didn't answer. He said she called him right back at 3:45 a.m. to say she was still walking to the garage. She told him she would text him once she got to her car. Asked if Morris sounded upset or seemed concerned, Nickerson said no.

Surveillance video shows Morris and Arochi walking side by side into the parking garage at 3:55 a.m. Nothing in the eight-second video indicates anything suspicious. No video cameras were positioned to clearly record the area of the garage where their cars were parked.

At 3:58 a.m. video shows Arochi's Camaro pulling out of the garage. Morris' Celica doesn't leave the garage until three days later after she's reported missing.

Nickerson testified that he never got that text Morris promised. He tried calling. She didn't answer. He sent her a text. His phone indicated that her phone was off. Morris had been talking about her phone battery dying before she left, according to testimony.

Wow, sorry if this sound sarcastic but seems like wasn't too worried about Morris. Out of sight out of mind?

 

[Gigglingtoes]

I'm thinking I'm going to go to court on Tuesday.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

Valerie Wigglesworth ‏@vlwigg 3m3 minutes ago
Updated: Timeline being built at trial for night Christina Morris went missing http://beta.dallasnews.com/news/cri...ilt-trial-night-christina-morris-went-missing … via @dallasnews



Wow, sorry if this sound sarcastic but seems like wasn't too worried about Morris. Out of sight out of mind?

Who? SN?

 

[SteveS]

I actually think the "can't say for sure" testimony as to whether EAs car was seen to be already damaged when leaving the garage helped the state way more than the defense. It might have been helpful (but not a game changer) for the defense if they could prove that the damage was already there, when the outing began. This testimony did not even do that.

But this wasn't a big loss for the defense, because the case really doesn't hinge on when and where EAs car was damaged.

Also, prior to trial we hadn't really heard that the video showed much, as he exited, one way or the other. So from a general perception point, nothing much has changed overall in what was in that evidence vs what we expected.

As I recall, the most revelatory evidence we heard about, regarding damage, was when his co-workers noticed the damage when he showed up for work Saturday. Also, he told the PD stuff about it. So we'll probably get more. But it's still a case centered around the fact that EA put her IN HIS TRUNK and she has never been seen or heard from again, and nothing new or unexpected or contradictory to that so far. (There's still a lot left needed to prove that of course, but they've only scratched the surface in this trial so far. And imo it looks to be right on track.)

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by Leader6518 View Post
I have always thought that he forced CM into his car. Maybe overpowered her when she was getting her keys and drug her to his car. I thought that was how the damage could occur if she was fighting and kicked it. Just one possibility. It doesn't take long to grab someone. Especially if by surprise and their cars were parked nose to nose with a space in between

I thought the same! It honestly would not surprise me if the damage occurred IN the parking garage. Three minutes doesn't sound like a lot but it is more than enough time. I've seen videos of abductions that take seconds. Not mention Christina is tiny and was vulnerable at the time

Respectfully bbm
(as a juror) We have heard from witness about test done with the Blue Star ... but one would think if there were any evidence of say paint scrapes color of defendants veh in the garage they would have stated that too? Heck we dont know that was or wasnt asked :facepalm:

Agree on time.. a lot can happen in 3 minutes. Depending on what going on it can seem long time or short time.

 

[Circleoflife]

I still believe she went with him willingly. After that, who knows. I believe drugs play huge role.

I thought so too but then wasn't it reported last year that the police found no DNA from CM inside his car? That made me question whether she had ever been in the front seat. Could he have cleaned it that well?
Also, I'm anxious to hear about the cell phone data and hopefully about toll road data. I thought we heard EA travelled East on 121 and exited at Custer maybe even pinging around the Allen area before then seemingly returning to the Shops at Legacy area. Then wasn't there some activity later closer to his house. It made me think they rode somewhere together and then something went wrong. I also wondered if he got help to hide what he did and that could be the reason for his silence. He doesn't want to incriminate someone close to him. Just speculating.., it's hard to imagine what could keep him from speaking out if it meant saving his hide, but I have wondered if it had something to do with his family in some way.

 

[minor4th]

I still believe she went with him willingly. After that, who knows. I believe drugs play huge role.

But why would she get in his trunk if she went with him willingly? I think he forced her into the trunk of the car immediately upon reaching the car. He took her someplace and sexually assaulted her and killed her - before heading home. Next day he disposed of her body.

 

[SteveS]

Also, I'm anxious to hear about the cell phone data and hopefully about toll road data. I thought we heard EA travelled East on 121 and exited at Custer maybe even pinging around the Allen area before then seemingly returning to the Shops at Legacy area. Then wasn't there some activity later closer to his house. It made me think they rode somewhere together and then something went wrong.

We never got the full story of what the toll tag and ping info revealed. But we did hear a bit.
....He says he went right home. The pings told a different story.
....He said she parked in a different garage from him and he didn't know what happened to her after they went to their own parking garages. But they parked next to each other.
....He said he didn't know what happened to her later. Again the pings told a different story.

I'm with you, it will be interesting to find out more in the next week or so. That's the testimony I'd love to be in court for.

 

[minor4th]

I don't think it hurts or helps that the video cannot confirm damage to his car. It doesn't matter either way. More important are the scrapes, bruises and bite marks on his arms the next day.

 

[Circleoflife]

The police must have been intrigued with the dent because they reported EA's story about how it happened which according to him was before that night. Obviously they questioned him hoping there would be an inconsistency that would lead to a confession. But, since they couldn't prove it happened the night of CM's disappearance, I think Steve's right, it's not going to matter in the long run. But it will be one of those things that bugs some of us for a long time. How did he dent the car?

 

[minor4th]

Remember too, they have to testify just like they did on their orig statements back 2 years ago. OR the defense (or the Pros) can use them to impeach their testimony. LOL Dont ask a question unless you know how they are going to answer and also the Def can only cross examine about stuff brought out in direct questioning.

Actually, Texas has open cross-exam, so defense can ask whatever they could ask in their own case in chief as well as whatever was addressed in direct examination. I don't think the friends have much to say because they don't have any information beyond what they have said.

 

[Circleoflife]

I don't think it hurts or helps that the video cannot confirm damage to his car. It doesn't matter either way. More important are the scrapes, bruises and bite marks on his arms the next day.

I thought the bite mark was disputed. Didn't some expert report they couldn't confirm he had bite marks? I've also read bite mark evidence has been questioned more and more because of faulty identification.

 

[Circleoflife]

Yep, lots of lying revealed with the pings and toll road data. They helped to put doubt about EA's story in many of his friends' minds after they heard it.

 

[arkansasmimi]

The expert was CONFUSING. But he later clarified that he was neither testifying there was, nor that there wasn't, damage seen in the video. But there is no question that the car was damaged at some point, and the only question is when (whether at some point before the abduction, including the prior day or days, or during). This video wasn't able to answer that, so they have to figure out the answer by other testimony.

Respectfully, BBM,
Respectfully, for ME there is a question if the car was damaged/not damaged at the point that the State was trying to prove/establish. And so far they have raised reasonable doubt with that witness testimony. I have not heard yet the State reason why it was or wasn't relevant -damage. I will await that from trial.

And it is relevant. Everything in a trial is. Hopefully for the State they can prove/get the answer by other testimony. But as someone who hasn't followed and as the jury is suppose to do. I am forming my opinion on what is presented in the COURTROOM.

You keep posting they have proof HE PUT HER IN HIS TRUNK. I await that proof too.

JMHO.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Actually, Texas has open cross-exam, so defense can ask whatever they could ask in their own case in chief as well as whatever was addressed in direct examination. I don't think the friends have much to say because they don't have any information beyond what they have said.

Thank you very much for this info. I will file it away for other Texas cases. I appreciate your kindness in how you explained it.

 

[roadrunnermt]

Going back to Logan not seeing Hunter...
Maybe Hunter saw Logan and told Christina that he was going to confront him, but never did. That's the only thing I can think of

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I am on trying to catch up on the thread so I apologize if this has already been discussed but regarding the matter of prior witnesses stating Hunter saw Logan and Logan stating he did not see Hunter....It was stated by the earlier witnesses that CM had gotten a text from HF stating he had seen Logan at the bar and this upset CM, which is likely the reason CM called Logan to see if he was indeed with Hunter or if Hunter was lying. It is a very common trait of abusive/controlling men to often lie in this manner.