GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 Aug 2014 - Enrique Arochi kidnapping trial #6

[SteveS]

"We do not know the split in vote prior to the juror being released / alt joined the jury. But it was not unanimous nor was the ill juror the dividing juror. It would not have continued on ending 17 hours total."

The facts are completely the opposite of what you say here.
1 You say "We do not know the split in vote prior to the juror being released" and that's not true. We do know, and what we know is there was no split, because there was no vote before that juror left.
2 "But it was not unanimous" ...Again, an assertion that is completely untrue. It was neither unanimous nor non-unanimous, because there was no vote being taken, just discussions of the evidence.
3 "It would not have continued on ending 17 hours total" ...Again, an assertion that is pure and utter nonsense. The jury discussed the evidence, then changed jurors and left overnight, then came back and with a new juror, had to restart the discussion of evidence. When they finally took a vote much later that day, they only did it once and it was unanimous for guilty. After which, they went over the evidence again to make sure they weren't missing anything, and that all the pieces fit together like they felt it did when they voted. Then it was over.

 

[trex]

SteveS, because you seem to know a lot about a lot of things, I read that EA will be appealing, there's no way he can be successful in any way with that process, right? I know it's the law and all but I really hate that he's allowed to appeal anything at this point.

 

[arkansasmimi]

1 "No one testified at trial that there was blood anywhere in the vehicle."....Pure nonsense. Multiple testimony that Blue Star showed there was blood in the trunk. And of course there was DNA there too.
2 "Detectives seem convinced that CM used EA cell phone from testimony" ....Speculative. But really, who cares either way? That's a pointless detail. Who used what phone when really proves nothing either way about what EA did to CM awhile later.
3 "No proof that EA did any strangulation thing on her" ....Of course not, because we have no body. This is not something the state had to prove anyhow. But EA's own account (!) of what happened to his arms says he was choking someone when it happened. Combined with his factual preference for strangling others, common sense (which is allowed!) tells us he tried to strangle her and she fought him tooth and nail.
4 "State had an Expert to look at the alleged "bite marks" and deemed not bite marks" ...EA said they were!! Others who saw them FRESH got that impression. It's logical to think that in the time between when CM bit the crap out of EAs arm and the LE were able to see the arms, some of the distinguishing marks had faded.
5 "Ex Girlfriend RA had text on her phone that he was working on his tires, 8/29/14" ....Deceptive at best. This is not RA's account of what he did, but of what he told her on the 30th that he had done the night before. Of course, at that point he was already in coverup mode.
6 "I not sure how much I hold the "party groups of friends" testimony." ...Not a single one saw any injuries on EA at any time that night. Not one. They were together for maybe a half dozen hours.
7 "None of them were concerned about EA or said he was acting odd" ....Scary. He was playing the good image guy all night, hoping to get into someone's pants before "night away from gf" was over. When he struck out all night, he finally decided to do whatever he had to, to get CM. Ugh.
8 "HF also committed purgery on the stand" ...Nope he did not. Defense tried to make a big deal out of a trickily worded question or 2 they asked him, but anyone who knows the geography and understood the game Gore was playing with locations and dates, in his confusing questioning, understood it was confusion not lying that he got. I can explain this testimony precisely to anyone who REALLY wants to know if there was perjury here or not, but this isn't even remotely such a thing.
9 "I still curious when they no longer considered HF a Suspect" ...He was elsewhere that night, not even in the same county, and LE knew his whereabouts. Duh. Anyone who has even a tiny bit of desire for the truth, rather than to try to find someone else to blame just because, knows this answer.
10 "I not so sure about Taylor Barry myself" ...You don't even know who TB is (or anything about what he did) other than a random name you hope to blame. Defense could have called him and blamed him. They did not. There was even less meat on that bone than on the HF idea that went nowhere. All the evidence on HF was just a bunch of lawyer what-if's woven into questions, but anyone who knows the courtroom knows the questions are NOT evidence.
11 "Defense is not going to speak about a case that has not been argued in court yet. Still alleged at this time" ...This is so absurd of an excuse as to be almost funny. They offered no answer because they had none. And those allegations are now considered to have been proven Beyond a Reasonable Doubt to this court (otherwise, they could not have been used in sentencing).
12 "Defense objecting to that evidence being offered/Defense is challenging the sex assault complaint" ....Re the Sexual Assault case, the objection was never over the inclusion of the looming case itself. They could not and did not make such an objection, because it would have been a ludicrous objection (as the law specifically says you can offer evidence for crimes for which the defendant has been charged, and even for those that he has done but have NOT been charged, as part of the sentencing phase of the trial). Instead, they cleverly angled to object to whether the DETAILS of that sex crime were proper to put into consideration (in particular, EA's lust for strangling others). Ultimately the answer was yes, and properly so.

1)3 "DNA came back not blood" ....Not so. The DNA came back "uncertain" as to type of substance it came from, and then you also had her blood found in the trunk where the DNA was.

Please provide a link to where someone Expert testimony was entered that stated BLOOD was the trunk. Did not happen. Det Staub? the PPD CSI person, testimony was not allowed it was out of the presence of the jury.

2) 4 "Christina used his phone when it was dying" ....Not so. No one knows who used what device at the end of that walk, not that it mattered to the case either way. She was still safe and alive at that point before Arochi did his strangulation thing on her. Don't forget EA's accidental confession, where he himself told his co-worker that the brand new injuries to his hands and arms came when he had someone "in a choke hold" and got bit. Indeed.

.Speculative. But really, who cares either way? That's a pointless detail. Who used what phone when really proves nothing either way about what EA did to CM awhile later.

:thinking: Confused, first you state one thing then state it speculative that LEO believe CM used EA phone. I agree. Lots of wishy washy testimony. Why is it a pointless detail? It was very important at trial.

4) 5 "And you are still convinced rotating a tire is not believable?" ....No one said people don't rotate tires. The issue was that his injuries were first seen after that walk with CM, then he tried to say that tire work (perhaps fictitious) had injured him the day before. But either way, no one anywhere ever saw any injuries the day before, or even that evening of bar-hopping, yet the day after everyone who saw him noticed he was bruised and scarred and bit and who knows what, clearly having been in a major fight with someone. A fight he wanted to cover up.

4 "State had an Expert to look at the alleged "bite marks" and deemed not bite marks" ...EA said they were!! Others who saw them FRESH got that impression. It's logical to think that in the time between when CM bit the crap out of EAs arm and the LE were able to see the arms, some of the distinguishing marks had faded.

But they were not bite marks. One of the Det even testified he had bite marks. I just going on testimony in the Trial.

6) 6 "I not sure how much I hold the "party groups of friends" testimony." ...Not a single one saw any injuries on EA at any time that night. Not one. They were together for maybe a half dozen hours.
And they all testified to drinking and Stamm even said in another hearing that she thinks they all abuse Adderal and HF testified some witnesses were drug customers. I stand by my opinion.

7 "None of them were concerned about EA or said he was acting odd" ....Scary. He was playing the good image guy all night, hoping to get into someone's pants before "night away from gf" was over. When he struck out all night, he finally decided to do whatever he had to, to get CM. Ugh.
Again, going by testimony from Trial. And that is what was testified to.

8 "HF also committed purgery on the stand" ...Nope he did not. Defense tried to make a big deal out of a trickily worded question or 2 they asked him, but anyone who knows the geography and understood the game Gore was playing with locations and dates, in his confusing questioning, understood it was confusion not lying that he got. I can explain this testimony precisely to anyone who REALLY wants to know if there was perjury here or not, but this isn't even remotely such a thing.
Respectfully, again, go back and review testimony.

10 "I not so sure about Taylor Barry myself" ...You don't even know who TB is (or anything about what he did) other than a random name you hope to blame. Defense could have called him and blamed him. They did not. There was even less meat on that bone than on the HF idea that went nowhere. All the evidence on HF was just a bunch of lawyer what-if's woven into questions, but anyone who knows the courtroom knows the questions are NOT evidence.

Respectfully, you do not know what I know. I have been reading on who he is. He is a snitch. Defense subpoena him as did the State and he plead the 5th. Again, in testimony.

11 "Defense is not going to speak about a case that has not been argued in court yet. Still alleged at this time" ...This is so absurd of an excuse as to be almost funny. They offered no answer because they had none. And those allegations are now considered to have been proven Beyond a Reasonable Doubt to this court (otherwise, they could not have been used in sentencing).
Again, that case is scheduled for Dec 2016 and just as the Judge stated in this case, the Indictment is an accusation. Innocent until proven guilty is how it goes. Again the Def got their objection on the record. They stated that the evidence was illegally obtained. Was the black iPhone on the house Search Warrant? I know in the Arron Lewis case the LEO did a General SW and it was considered an illegal SW and all the evidence was not allowed in. Beverly Carters phone was in that house and they couldn't use. Search Warrant has to be specific to what they are looking for and where they think it will be. I see nothing funny about any of this.

12 "Defense objecting to that evidence being offered/Defense is challenging the sex assault complaint" ....Re the Sexual Assault case, the objection was never over the inclusion of the looming case itself. They could not and did not make such an objection, because it would have been a ludicrous objection (as the law specifically says you can offer evidence for crimes for which the defendant has been charged, and even for those that he has done but have NOT been charged, as part of the sentencing phase of the trial). Instead, they cleverly angled to object to whether the DETAILS of that sex crime were proper to put into consideration (in particular, EA's lust for strangling others). Ultimately the answer was yes, and properly so.

Respectfully, I provided tweets and Links for back up to them and unsure why your wanting to argue. And Def did object. to the hitting/choking saying that they were not made aware timely. The Judge over ruled on that.

:scared: JMHO

 

[Ben3000]

3. No one testified at trial that there was blood anywhere in the vehicle. DNA yes, blood no. And multiple theories as to when may have gotten there. Some Det theory was in the parking garage others somewhere else.

4. Detectives seem convinced that CM used EA cell phone from testimony. No proof that EA did any strangulation thing on her. State had an Expert to look at the alleged "bite marks" and deemed not bite marks. Same Expert testified for the Defense, no bite mark.

5. Ex Girlfriend RA had text on her phone that he was working on his tires, 8/29/14. I not sure how much I hold the "party groups of friends" testimony. They seemed to be drinking and doing drugs so jmho could possibly not been as truthful. None of them were concerned about EA or said he was acting odd. Hindsight after being possibly drunk/high and days later, who can say if they truly remembered or not injuries? HF testimony was some of the witnesses were drug customers. He also testified that CM had an RX for Adderal. HF also committed purgery on the stand. I still curious when they no longer considered HF a Suspect. He had just did first undercover sale. I not so sure about Taylor Barry myself. JMHO

7. Defense is not going to speak about a case that has not been argued in court yet. Still alleged at this time. Not gone to court on those charges

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 3m3 minutes ago
Defense objecting to that evidence being offered. #arochitrial

Jobin PanickerVerified account ‏@jobinpnews 3m3 minutes ago
Defense is challenging the sex assault complaint. #ArochiTrial http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...gravated-kidnapping-6&p=12843785#post12843785

Scott Sidway ‏@ScottyWK 2m2 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Judge says issue is whether or not choking/hitting happened more than once. If only once, may not be sufficient. #ArochiTrial

Scott Sidway ‏@ScottyWK 1m1 minute ago McKinney, TX
Judge will allow,but says he'll make record clear if he considers it based on whether or not it happened regularly or just once #ArochiTrial

Alice Barr ‏@AliceBarrNBC5 1m1 minute ago McKinney, TX
Judge on choking&hitting:"Notice under one set of facts is sufficient, under another set of facts it is not sufficient" #ArochiTrial @NBCDFW
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...gravated-kidnapping-6&p=12843809#post12843809

Scott Sidway ‏@ScottyWK 2m2 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Judge is allowing choking/hitting conversation, but keeps reiterating he has right to change his mind throughout hearing. #arochitrial http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...gravated-kidnapping-6&p=12843832#post12843832

**JMHO, Judge cannot rule if it was or was not illegally obtained , think it would have to be argued in that case itself. *and info put on record here, can be used in that case by testimony.

Gabriel RoxasVerified account ‏@cbs11gabriel 52s52 seconds ago McKinney, TX
Defense objects to evidence of sexually deviant found on Arochi's device, says evidence was illegally obtained #arochitrial

Valerie WigglesworthVerified account ‏@vlwigg 1m1 minute ago
Defense says they also object to sexual deviant photos and videos found on Arochi's electronic devices. Denied, says judge #arochitrial http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...gravated-kidnapping-6&p=12843819#post12843819

This is why charge:
Alice Barr ‏@AliceBarrNBC5 8m8 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Det. Jackson says it was sexual assault because of the victim's age. #ArochiTrial @NBCDFW
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...gravated-kidnapping-6&p=12843872#post12843872


***Now I think he is scum, the whole sex mess makes me ill. But this is about what is or isn't legal not my personal emotional opinion. I am looking through the media thread to see if can find the search warrant for the home. I curious why they they did not find this prior to EA being arrested in Dec. I was thinking they searched his home earlier. I may be mistaken on memory there. Seems the charge against the minor was not filed until sometime in 2015. JMHO

Aw I see. Thank you for clearing things up.You sound very professional. I'm sure it can be hard to set emotion and biasness aside, but it has to be done. Following this case on Twitter seems to be misleading at times. Again thanks.

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[arkansasmimi]

Aw I see. Thank you for clearing things up.You sound very professional. I'm sure it can be hard to set emotion and biasness aside, but it has to be done. Following this case on Twitter seems to be misleading at times. Again thanks.

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Thanks. Well since it was not live streamed, it all we had. Thats one reason I wanted to see various reporters some just copied others, while others said a little more info. Again, all we had.

 

[SteveS]

SteveS, because you seem to know a lot about a lot of things, I read that EA will be appealing, there's no way he can be successful in any way with that process, right? I know it's the law and all but I really hate that he's allowed to appeal anything at this point.

My personal take on the appeals ahead were detailed at some length in post 508 in this thread, so you might want to go back and read that in full.

The short version is
(a) appealing the sentence is a right, and fairly routine in a case of this nature, so it's to be expected
(b) from what the defense has said are their main appeal arguments, it makes me think their appeal is more of a hope-against-hope longshot than an actual expectation of any likelihood of success (specifics for my thinking that are in post 508)
(c) ya don't know what ya don't know, so I can't say "no way" ....I'm just opining on what I see and what they've said, through the prism of my experience ...but the bottom line has to play out and can take a couple of years to do so
(d) personally, I'm really not losing any sleep over the prospects of an appeal ...from following the case closely, I think EA got a fair shake, as I saw no questionable judicial choices of the nature that lead to a successful appeal (I thought Rusch was more than fair to the defense), and imo EA was properly convicted/sentenced on the basis of a mountain of clear and compelling evidence that he committed AK against our girl

 

[Ben3000]

1)3 "DNA came back not blood" ....Not so. The DNA came back "uncertain" as to type of substance it came from, and then you also had her blood found in the trunk where the DNA was.

Please provide a link to where someone Expert testimony was entered that stated BLOOD was the trunk. Did not happen. Det Staub? the PPD CSI person, testimony was not allowed it was out of the presence of the jury.

2) 4 "Christina used his phone when it was dying" ....Not so. No one knows who used what device at the end of that walk, not that it mattered to the case either way. She was still safe and alive at that point before Arochi did his strangulation thing on her. Don't forget EA's accidental confession, where he himself told his co-worker that the brand new injuries to his hands and arms came when he had someone "in a choke hold" and got bit. Indeed.

.Speculative. But really, who cares either way? That's a pointless detail. Who used what phone when really proves nothing either way about what EA did to CM awhile later.

:thinking: Confused, first you state one thing then state it speculative that LEO believe CM used EA phone. I agree. Lots of wishy washy testimony. Why is it a pointless detail? It was very important at trial.

4) 5 "And you are still convinced rotating a tire is not believable?" ....No one said people don't rotate tires. The issue was that his injuries were first seen after that walk with CM, then he tried to say that tire work (perhaps fictitious) had injured him the day before. But either way, no one anywhere ever saw any injuries the day before, or even that evening of bar-hopping, yet the day after everyone who saw him noticed he was bruised and scarred and bit and who knows what, clearly having been in a major fight with someone. A fight he wanted to cover up.

4 "State had an Expert to look at the alleged "bite marks" and deemed not bite marks" ...EA said they were!! Others who saw them FRESH got that impression. It's logical to think that in the time between when CM bit the crap out of EAs arm and the LE were able to see the arms, some of the distinguishing marks had faded.

But they were not bite marks. One of the Det even testified he had bite marks. I just going on testimony in the Trial.

6) 6 "I not sure how much I hold the "party groups of friends" testimony." ...Not a single one saw any injuries on EA at any time that night. Not one. They were together for maybe a half dozen hours.
And they all testified to drinking and Stamm even said in another hearing that she thinks they all abuse Adderal and HF testified some witnesses were drug customers. I stand by my opinion.

7 "None of them were concerned about EA or said he was acting odd" ....Scary. He was playing the good image guy all night, hoping to get into someone's pants before "night away from gf" was over. When he struck out all night, he finally decided to do whatever he had to, to get CM. Ugh.
Again, going by testimony from Trial. And that is what was testified to.

8 "HF also committed purgery on the stand" ...Nope he did not. Defense tried to make a big deal out of a trickily worded question or 2 they asked him, but anyone who knows the geography and understood the game Gore was playing with locations and dates, in his confusing questioning, understood it was confusion not lying that he got. I can explain this testimony precisely to anyone who REALLY wants to know if there was perjury here or not, but this isn't even remotely such a thing.
Respectfully, again, go back and review testimony.

10 "I not so sure about Taylor Barry myself" ...You don't even know who TB is (or anything about what he did) other than a random name you hope to blame. Defense could have called him and blamed him. They did not. There was even less meat on that bone than on the HF idea that went nowhere. All the evidence on HF was just a bunch of lawyer what-if's woven into questions, but anyone who knows the courtroom knows the questions are NOT evidence.

Respectfully, you do not know what I know. I have been reading on who he is. He is a snitch. Defense subpoena him as did the State and he plead the 5th. Again, in testimony.

11 "Defense is not going to speak about a case that has not been argued in court yet. Still alleged at this time" ...This is so absurd of an excuse as to be almost funny. They offered no answer because they had none. And those allegations are now considered to have been proven Beyond a Reasonable Doubt to this court (otherwise, they could not have been used in sentencing).
Again, that case is scheduled for Dec 2016 and just as the Judge stated in this case, the Indictment is an accusation. Innocent until proven guilty is how it goes. Again the Def got their objection on the record. They stated that the evidence was illegally obtained. Was the black iPhone on the house Search Warrant? I know in the Arron Lewis case the LEO did a General SW and it was considered an illegal SW and all the evidence was not allowed in. Beverly Carters phone was in that house and they couldn't use. Search Warrant has to be specific to what they are looking for and where they think it will be. I see nothing funny about any of this.

12 "Defense objecting to that evidence being offered/Defense is challenging the sex assault complaint" ....Re the Sexual Assault case, the objection was never over the inclusion of the looming case itself. They could not and did not make such an objection, because it would have been a ludicrous objection (as the law specifically says you can offer evidence for crimes for which the defendant has been charged, and even for those that he has done but have NOT been charged, as part of the sentencing phase of the trial). Instead, they cleverly angled to object to whether the DETAILS of that sex crime were proper to put into consideration (in particular, EA's lust for strangling others). Ultimately the answer was yes, and properly so.

Respectfully, I provided tweets and Links for back up to them and unsure why your wanting to argue. And Def did object. to the hitting/choking saying that they were not made aware timely. The Judge over ruled on that.

:scared: JMHO

It's called "beyond a reasonable doubt" for a reason. Sorry if you don't like it.


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[arkansasmimi]

"We do not know the split in vote prior to the juror being released / alt joined the jury. But it was not unanimous nor was the ill juror the dividing juror. It would not have continued on ending 17 hours total."

The facts are completely the opposite of what you say here.
1 You say "We do not know the split in vote prior to the juror being released" and that's not true. We do know, and what we know is there was no split, because there was no vote before that juror left.
2 "But it was not unanimous" ...Again, an assertion that is completely untrue. It was neither unanimous nor non-unanimous, because there was no vote being taken, just discussions of the evidence.
3 "It would not have continued on ending 17 hours total" ...Again, an assertion that is pure and utter nonsense. The jury discussed the evidence, then changed jurors and left overnight, then came back and with a new juror, had to restart the discussion of evidence. When they finally took a vote much later that day, they only did it once and it was unanimous for guilty. After which, they went over the evidence again to make sure they weren't missing anything, and that all the pieces fit together like they felt it did when they voted. Then it was over.

Respectfully. There had to be a split or they would not have went 17 hours! Jurors go back and elect a foreperson and do an initial vote. IF they all agreed, then they would have came right back out with a verdict if they were all in agreement.

ALT Juror is who stated that only 1 vote was taken after Deliberating. He would have no knowledge of what happened prior to joining the jury and going to the hotel. We have no knowledge of what happened when they began on next morning. We do know they had questions before the ALT Juror joined because they sent notes out.


On Wednesday night, Newbill gave us insight into those jury deliberations. He talked about one juror who was frustrating to work with. He said one juror kept trying to come up with theories as to how it all may have happened.

Newbill applauded the work of the jury foreman, who was able to steer the deliberations into a systematic manner. He also mentioned that the jury had decided on a secret ballot late into the second day of deliberation. http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/coll...-jury-that-convicted-enrique-arochi/327601676

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/09/27/j...ris-kidnapper/
Newbill said one juror in particular needed convincing more than the others that all of evidence was circumstantial – and a man’s future was at stake.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Sen...394764061.html
"We had a couple jurors who, I wouldn't say they held out, they were simply asking reasonable questions, trying to make sure that we got it right and at times things got emotional," said Newbill.

 

[CountingCrows]

Hello,

Greetings from Dubai. Long time lurker, first time poster. I have read 75 pages of 75 pages trial posts and I am with Mimi on this one.

I do not believe EA has the intelligence to disappear a body without a trace for 2 years.

I am still not able to figure out how "sex/rape" concept came into play and how this makes him a predator. Can someone explain? From what I read:

1) EA put his hand around SB during bar-hopping:
This is not something abnormal, everyone is trying to get laid.

2) EA had sexual encounters with a minor:
That lasted 5 months. The girl was 16-yo. This pretty much makes everyone I know sexual offenders when they were teenagers. Moreover, girls lie about their age very frequently.

3) Detective interviews Boss, who said Arochi left angry that she rebuffed his advances:
She wanted to do it on the bedroom, EA wanted on couch. Isn't this what others said? Why did SB call him next day if he is such a predator?

4) EA has links to Salo in his phone:
If you are watching non-Hollywood movies, you probably came across Salo, The Beast (Bestiality) , Cement Garden (Incest), Irreversible (Rape). Hell, I even watched "A Serbian Film" (pedophilia, necrophilia, incest, rape, gore) upon recommendation from my girlfriend! She said she had nightmares because of the last one! Bottom line is, we do not know what it is going to turn out to be prior to watching it. And curiousity is human nature. It does not make us "sick" or "evil".

5) EA choked his partner during sex:
This is consensual. By cutting oxygen supply to brain, intensity of orgasm is increased. He does not go out randomly choking sexual partners. If someone tried to choke you, would you be with him 5 months as the 16-yo did?

6) BDSM Group Admin:
Hmm, no argument against this if it is accurate.
​

In my opinion, "drug" aspect is more crucial here than "sex". We are mostly trying to base our conclusions on what is considered "normal". That "normal" is skewed in drug-scenes. See below.

Remember that guy who was caught running naked on the streets? CM said it was her friend who wanted to stay in her house... On a house that does not have water, that does not have electricity.

* Does it sound normal to you for someone in that age group not to have water and electricity?
* Does it sound normal to you that someone else would want to stay in a house that does not have water and electricity?
* Does it sound normal to you that, that someone would want to take a shower, and someone else in that building will allow him to take a shower in his apartment?
Last sentence also implies that this is a regular happenning and not not short utility disconnects due to non-payment.
​

Nobody deserves this but a person in this environment is exposed to more risks than we can imagine. I am not finding it a good character trait to have a relationship with someone, to live with someone and start dating his best friend while living in his house.I am not finding it amusing to push drugs, to have drug-dealer as boyfriend, to live with that drug dealer. All exposures to more risks. Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas.

I am also finding it interesting that detectives cannot come to a conlusion as to what happened. Do you think in 3 minutes someone can walk to his car, incapacitate someone else there, put her in his trunk, then leave? If not, why does one detective, whose job is exactly finding out this, thinks she left in trunk?

PS: Site needs more powerful database hardware. It is pain lately.
PS2: I will try to edit my post, I am not able to format for legibility.

 

[Ben3000]

Hello,

Greetings from Dubai. Long time lurker, first time poster. I have read 75 pages of 75 pages trial posts and I am with Mimi on this one.

I do not believe EA has the intelligence to disappear a body without a trace for 2 years.

I am still not able to figure out how "sex/rape" concept came into play and how this makes him a predator. Can someone explain? From what I read:

1) EA put his hand around SB during bar-hopping:
This is not something abnormal, everyone is trying to get laid.

2) EA had sexual encounters with a minor:
That lasted 5 months. The girl was 16-yo. This pretty much makes everyone I know sexual offenders when they were teenagers. Moreover, girls lie about their age very frequently.

3) Detective interviews Boss, who said Arochi left angry that she rebuffed his advances:
She wanted to do it on the bedroom, EA wanted on couch. Isn't this what others said? Why did SB call him next day if he is such a predator?

4) EA has links to Salo in his phone:
If you are watching non-Hollywood movies, you probably came across Salo, The Beast (Bestiality) , Cement Garden (Incest), Irreversible (Rape). Hell, I even watched "A Serbian Film" (pedophilia, necrophilia, incest, rape, gore) upon recommendation from my girlfriend! She said she had nightmares because of the last one! Bottom line is, we do not know what it is going to turn out to be prior to watching it. And curiousity is human nature. It does not make us "sick" or "evil".

5) EA choked his partner during sex:
This is consensual. By cutting oxygen supply to brain, intensity of orgasm is increased. He does not go out randomly choking sexual partners. If someone tried to choke you, would you be with him 5 months as the 16-yo did?

6) BDSM Group Admin:
Hmm, no argument against this if it is accurate.
​

In my opinion, "drug" aspect is more crucial here than "sex". We are mostly trying to base our conclusions on what is considered "normal". That "normal" is skewed in drug-scenes. See below.

Remember that guy who was caught running naked on the streets? CM said it was her friend who wanted to stay in her house... On a house that does not have water, that does not have electricity.

* Does it sound normal to you for someone in that age group not to have water and electricity?
* Does it sound normal to you that someone else would want to stay in a house that does not have water and electricity?
* Does it sound normal to you that, that someone would want to take a shower, and someone else in that building will allow him to take a shower in his apartment?
Last sentence also implies that this is a regular happenning and not not short utility disconnects due to non-payment.
​

Nobody deserves this but a person in this environment is exposed to more risks than we can imagine. I am not finding it a good character trait to have a relationship with someone, to live with someone and start dating his best friend while living in his house.I am not finding it amusing to push drugs, to have drug-dealer as boyfriend, to live with that drug dealer. All exposures to more risks. Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas.

I am also finding it interesting that detectives cannot come to a conlusion as to what happened. Do you think in 3 minutes someone can walk to his car, incapacitate someone else there, put her in his trunk, then leave? If not, why does one detective, whose job is exactly finding out this, thinks she left in trunk?

PS: Site needs more powerful database hardware. It is pain lately.
PS2: I will try to edit my post, I am not able to format for legibility.

What guy running naked on the streets? What are you talking about?



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[arkansasmimi]

Hello,

Greetings from Dubai. Long time lurker, first time poster. I have read 75 pages of 75 pages trial posts and I am with Mimi on this one.

I do not believe EA has the intelligence to disappear a body without a trace for 2 years.

I am still not able to figure out how "sex/rape" concept came into play and how this makes him a predator. Can someone explain? From what I read:

1) EA put his hand around SB during bar-hopping:
This is not something abnormal, everyone is trying to get laid.

2) EA had sexual encounters with a minor:
That lasted 5 months. The girl was 16-yo. This pretty much makes everyone I know sexual offenders when they were teenagers. Moreover, girls lie about their age very frequently.

3) Detective interviews Boss, who said Arochi left angry that she rebuffed his advances:
She wanted to do it on the bedroom, EA wanted on couch. Isn't this what others said? Why did SB call him next day if he is such a predator?

4) EA has links to Salo in his phone:
If you are watching non-Hollywood movies, you probably came across Salo, The Beast (Bestiality) , Cement Garden (Incest), Irreversible (Rape). Hell, I even watched "A Serbian Film" (pedophilia, necrophilia, incest, rape, gore) upon recommendation from my girlfriend! She said she had nightmares because of the last one! Bottom line is, we do not know what it is going to turn out to be prior to watching it. And curiousity is human nature. It does not make us "sick" or "evil".

5) EA choked his partner during sex:
This is consensual. By cutting oxygen supply to brain, intensity of orgasm is increased. He does not go out randomly choking sexual partners. If someone tried to choke you, would you be with him 5 months as the 16-yo did?

6) BDSM Group Admin:
Hmm, no argument against this if it is accurate.
​

In my opinion, "drug" aspect is more crucial here than "sex". We are mostly trying to base our conclusions on what is considered "normal". That "normal" is skewed in drug-scenes. See below.

Remember that guy who was caught running naked on the streets? CM said it was her friend who wanted to stay in her house... On a house that does not have water, that does not have electricity.

* Does it sound normal to you for someone in that age group not to have water and electricity?
* Does it sound normal to you that someone else would want to stay in a house that does not have water and electricity?
* Does it sound normal to you that, that someone would want to take a shower, and someone else in that building will allow him to take a shower in his apartment?
Last sentence also implies that this is a regular happenning and not not short utility disconnects due to non-payment.
​

Nobody deserves this but a person in this environment is exposed to more risks than we can imagine. I am not finding it a good character trait to have a relationship with someone, to live with someone and start dating his best friend while living in his house.I am not finding it amusing to push drugs, to have drug-dealer as boyfriend, to live with that drug dealer. All exposures to more risks. Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas.

I am also finding it interesting that detectives cannot come to a conlusion as to what happened. Do you think in 3 minutes someone can walk to his car, incapacitate someone else there, put her in his trunk, then leave? If not, why does one detective, whose job is exactly finding out this, thinks she left in trunk?

PS: Site needs more powerful database hardware. It is pain lately.
PS2: I will try to edit my post, I am not able to format for legibility.

Also, they did not know about the 16 yr old until they found the phone at EA home Dec 13, 2014. What was their theory up until then? Or which theory. I am going by what was presented in Trial which is why he has a life sentence. Not what happened up to. The PPD should have had all their stuff together and just flowed. They contradicted one another. Even the Lead Det didn't know things that she should have know. JMHO And I have searched and can't find released copy of home search warrant. Will look more later.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Thread where SA with Minor happened/ discussion about. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...na-Morris-23-Plano-30-August-2014-37-*Arrest*

SA with Minor warrant http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...gust-2014-37-*Arrest*&p=11547604#post11547604
[video=twitter;572774769382146052]https://twitter.com/Chickago1060/status/572774769382146052[/video]

 

[scaredtopost]

I think the fact that EA's family was not present for sentencing speaks volumes. IMO, they believe he is guilty and are not willing to support him. And I think their culture plays into their decision, as well.
Justice has been served!
JMO, MOO, etc

 

[arkansasmimi]

:thinking: Something is really off about this ^^^

 

[arkansasmimi]

I think the fact that EA's family was not present for sentencing speaks volumes. IMO, they believe he is guilty and are not willing to support him. And I think their culture plays into their decision, as well.
Justice has been served!
JMO, MOO, etc

I wonder if the Def had them to not be there. I read where there were conflicts prior with people protesting in front of their home and iirc at the jail when they went to visit. Could have caused more of a scene. EA also could have requested them not be there. Someone tweeted 2nd day iirc that his Uncle and a female relative was there. (it was mistaken at first as his parents)

Being a parent myself would be so hard being a parent of either (EA or CM) obviously for different reasons. But both have lost a child now. And not of either parents doing or choosing. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

Thread where SA with Minor happened/ discussion about. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...na-Morris-23-Plano-30-August-2014-37-*Arrest*

SA with Minor warrant http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...gust-2014-37-*Arrest*&p=11547604#post11547604
[video=twitter;572774769382146052]https://twitter.com/Chickago1060/status/572774769382146052[/video]

His family, HER family knew that she was staying nights at EA home? Jennifer Smith even lied orig to LEO about her age. EA parents bought her a birthday cake. Crazy. I am like some on the prev thread, reaching jmho No one ever filed any charges. They had to go to her. Her parents knew yet didn't file charges???

So just throwing out there/thinking out loud

Say something happens and they drop the charges? or gets thrown out for some reason. Since the allegation was used in this trial Quailfoot or Minor#4 how will that play out or will it.

 

[Ben3000]

His family, HER family knew that she was staying nights at EA home? Jennifer Smith even lied orig to LEO about her age. EA parents bought her a birthday cake. Crazy. I am like some on the prev thread, reaching jmho No one ever filed any charges. They had to go to her. Her parents knew yet didn't file charges???

So just throwing out there/thinking out loud

Say something happens and they drop the charges? or gets thrown out for some reason. Since the allegation was used in this trial Quailfoot or Minor#4 how will that play out or will it.

Omg.... At this point I don't know what to believe. Is this going to be the next trump campaign before election? Smh [emoji31]

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[darring21]

Omg.... At this point I don't know what to believe. Is this going to be the next trump campaign before election? Smh [emoji31]

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There are members on this board that have provided quality information and their conclusions have proven accurate.

There are others that have criticized every piece of evidence and play whataboutism. He was the last one to see Christina and he lied about that. Then, he proceeded to lie and lie and lie some more. He knows what happened that night - it's irrefutable.

They don't see anything wrong with EA lying about his age and having sex with a 16 year old when he was 22. They will try to shift the blame to the girl and give this predator the benefit of the doubt instead of the victim.

They have been wrong repeatedly.

Now we have a jury of reasonable people that have spoken (and 17 hours is really a fairly short amount of time) and a thorough and thoughtful judge that sentenced to the max.

You can put on a tinfoil hat if you like - it will be a waste of time, though.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

There are members on this board that have provided quality information and their conclusions have proven accurate.

There are others that have criticized every piece of evidence and play whataboutism. He was the last one to see Christina and he lied about that. Then, he proceeded to lie and lie and lie some more. He knows what happened that night - it's irrefutable.

They don't see anything wrong with EA lying about his age and having sex with a 16 year old when he was 22. They will try to shift the blame to the girl and give this predator the benefit of the doubt instead of the victim.

They have been wrong repeatedly.

Now we have a jury of reasonable people that have spoken (and 17 hours is really a fairly short amount of time) and a thorough and thoughtful judge that sentenced to the max.

You can put on a tinfoil hat if you like - it will be a waste of time, though.

Agreed.



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[darring21]

Hello,

Greetings from Dubai. Long time lurker, first time poster. I have read 75 pages of 75 pages trial posts and I am with Mimi on this one.

I do not believe EA has the intelligence to disappear a body without a trace for 2 years.

I am still not able to figure out how "sex/rape" concept came into play and how this makes him a predator. Can someone explain? From what I read:

1) EA put his hand around SB during bar-hopping:
This is not something abnormal, everyone is trying to get laid.

2) EA had sexual encounters with a minor:
That lasted 5 months. The girl was 16-yo. This pretty much makes everyone I know sexual offenders when they were teenagers. Moreover, girls lie about their age very frequently.

3) Detective interviews Boss, who said Arochi left angry that she rebuffed his advances:
She wanted to do it on the bedroom, EA wanted on couch. Isn't this what others said? Why did SB call him next day if he is such a predator?

4) EA has links to Salo in his phone:
If you are watching non-Hollywood movies, you probably came across Salo, The Beast (Bestiality) , Cement Garden (Incest), Irreversible (Rape). Hell, I even watched "A Serbian Film" (pedophilia, necrophilia, incest, rape, gore) upon recommendation from my girlfriend! She said she had nightmares because of the last one! Bottom line is, we do not know what it is going to turn out to be prior to watching it. And curiousity is human nature. It does not make us "sick" or "evil".

5) EA choked his partner during sex:
This is consensual. By cutting oxygen supply to brain, intensity of orgasm is increased. He does not go out randomly choking sexual partners. If someone tried to choke you, would you be with him 5 months as the 16-yo did?

6) BDSM Group Admin:
Hmm, no argument against this if it is accurate.
​

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2 - He was 22 and he lied to her about his age, telling her he was 19. She was 16 and he lied to his parents, telling them she was 17. We don't know that she lied about her age, only that she didn't correct his parents on her birthday. It is illegal for an adult to have sex with someone that is 16 or younger in Texas.

3 - I never heard that she wanted to do it in the bedroom. Where did that come from?

5 - We don't know if it was consensual and she was 16. This is the same argument used to defend domestic abusers.