GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #25 *Arrest*

[misslu]

Okay, so I have a theory that has been on my mind lately, relating to a possible relationship between EA and HF in a kidnap for revenge/drug scenario. I AM NOT SLEUTHING HF. We all know he is mixed in with some bad drug business. Anyhow...

What if there is a particular supplier many of those in that former Allen HS circle have in common. Let's say EA finds himself in over his head and in trouble with his supplier. Not a great position to be in. In my scenario, say he is aware of SOMEONE ELSE'S debt to the same supplier (after all, they are acquainted), and in an attempt to get back in favor with his supplier, says, "Hey, you'll never guess who I am with..." and offers to deliver CM.

Sorry, not written out very well, but it's a pain to type it all out from my phone.

My theory as well. Not necessarily that EA was also in trouble but doing a favor so to speak to get in good with someone. Perhaps not even realizing the repercussions at the time.

 

[Quailfoot]

Snipped/bolded by me...

You're never required to say anything at all.

Yes. But, it's on record that he did, and did so without an attorney present. So...if he was trying to hide something, he was doing a very poor job of it: giving statements to police and the public, turning his car over three times, not fleeing, etc.

Also, no attorney is listed in his jail record: http://apps.collincountytx.gov/injail/InJailSearch.aspx

If he had an attorney, the attorney would have been at the arraignment and would be listed. Paul Johnson was supposedly with Accion America, the group is appears his parents had hired to have a spokesperson who spoke better English and could translate.

 

[Faithx2]

There seem to be many confused folks here. Paul Johnson is not the attorney. He was allegedly hired by Accion America, Carlos Quintanilla's group. Johnson will not be the attorney of record if this thing goes to trial, I predict.

My guess is, when the family does hire an attorney, said hired attorney will go the judge and ask for bail to be modified based on the fact that for 100+ days following CM's disappearance EA didn't try to flee, stayed in the area, gave statements to police when asked, turned over his car three times to be searched, etc. They'll likely ask for an ankle monitor to go along with the lesser bail request.

Right now, the reason that the bail is so high is that EA doesn't have an attorney representing him. Otherwise, there would have been an objection/challenge to the high bail given in the first place. You have to think to put these things together. I half believe the seemingly higher than warranted charge and high bail are the product of EA not having an attorney; and, therefore, the prosecution knowing they could get away with it pretty easily.

I also agree with the folks who say EA won't talk. Why would he? He's already given several statements, both to the police and publicly on television. And, he gave those statements to police without an attorney present. Because we are in America, he's not required to say anything further.

My guess is, the next speaker on his behalf will be whomever the family hires to be his attorney.

Well he may not be a flight risk based on the points you mentioned but he has impeded an investigation and they now have the DNA evidence they needed to put him where he can not tamper with any remaining evidence

 

[SaintGirl]

Yes. But, it's on record that he did, and did so without an attorney present. So...if he was trying to hide something, he was doing a very poor job of it: giving statements to police and the public, turning his car over three times, not fleeing, etc.

Also, no attorney is listed in his jail record: http://apps.collincountytx.gov/injail/InJailSearch.aspx

If he had an attorney, the attorney would have been at the arraignment and would be listed. Paul Johnson was supposedly with Accion America, the group is appears his parents had hired to have a spokesperson who spoke better English and could translate.

If Paul Johnson wasn't his attorney, I don't think he wouldn't have represented himself as so in the Dallas Morning News after the arrest. I'm pretty sure you can get disbarred for that.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20141213-kidnap-arrest-made.ece

 

[hibiscus31]

Hmm, his contacts and approved visitors have changed since the last time I checked.

 

[SaintGirl]

Hmm, his contacts and approved visitors have changed since the last time I checked.

Yep. Interesting, uh?

 

[brado]

Yes. But, it's on record that he did, and did so without an attorney present. So...if he was trying to hide something, he was doing a very poor job of it: giving statements to police and the public, turning his car over three times, not fleeing, etc.

Also, no attorney is listed in his jail record: http://apps.collincountytx.gov/injail/InJailSearch.aspx

If he had an attorney, the attorney would have been at the arraignment and would be listed. Paul Johnson was supposedly with Accion America, the group is appears his parents had hired to have a spokesperson who spoke better English and could translate.

Your original post I was responding to read as if he didn't have an attorney he would be required to talk to LE, or that he initially had to talk to LE because he had no attorney. As I'm sure you know, that is not the case in either situation (Miranda, right to remain silent, etc.)

Also, since it was stated in MSM that PJ was his attorney, can you please provide a link where it is stated that PJ is no longer EA's attorney?

 

[Kool]

CSI. They could be pulling the car completely apart now and going down into the bare bones of the vehicle to look for evidence.

OOPS, yes CSI. My eyes were tired last night.

 

[Eileen730]

Interesting Read!

An immigration detainer is a tool used by ICE and other Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials to identify potentially deportable individuals who are housed in jails or prisons nationwide. An immigration detainer is an official request from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to another law enforcement agency (LEA)—such as a state or local jail —that the LEA notify ICE prior to releasing an individual from local custody so that ICE can arrange to take over custody.

Detainers are requests, not commands. They are not arrest warrants and do not provide probable cause for arrest. The presence of a detainer is not indicative of an individuals’ immigration status

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/immigration-detainers-comprehensive-look

 

[Quailfoot]

If Paul Johnson wasn't his attorney, I don't think he wouldn't have represented himself as so in the Dallas Morning News after the arrest. I'm pretty sure you can get disbarred for that.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20141213-kidnap-arrest-made.ece

As of now, there is no attorney of record for EA. If there were, that attorney would have been at the arraignment and listed in his jail records.

Scroll through the jail record of the other inmates. Everyone represented by an attorney has an attorney listed.

Do you think Collin County would simply make an exception for EA to not list his attorney? They can't. That information is public record.

Whatever attorney Accion America had or has - again, apparently Paul Johnson - is not listed as EA's attorney at present, nor is any other attorney. That's not an opinion; that is a fact demonstrated by Collin County's own website and records.

We'll agree to disagree. I think Johnson is hired by Accion America/Quintana and just advising in that role. You think he's EA's attorney. Collin County lists no attorney, and no objections were made to the bail at arraignment, which is highly unusual for defendants who have an attorney present. Therefore, I don't think the family has hired an attorney yet; nor, does it appear, that one has been appointed by the court.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

The cost of defending someone on an Agg. Kidnapping charge is much higher than the 1st charge- I can't remember what it is? Obstruction of justice? Like $$ to $$$$$.

Wondering if EA will request a court appointed attorney. moo

 

[Faithx2]

Yes. But, it's on record that he did, and did so without an attorney present. So...if he was trying to hide something, he was doing a very poor job of it: giving statements to police and the public, turning his car over three times, not fleeing, etc.

Also, no attorney is listed in his jail record: http://apps.collincountytx.gov/injail/InJailSearch.aspx

If he had an attorney, the attorney would have been at the arraignment and would be listed. Paul Johnson was supposedly with Accion America, the group is appears his parents had hired to have a spokesperson who spoke better English and could translate.

You are given a form and allowed to list 4 visitors. From what I understand that does not include visits from your attorney, clergy, etc. They do not have to be listed on your approved visitation list but they do have to visit during scheduled visiting hours.

 

[frisson]

As of now, there is no attorney of record for EA. If there were, that attorney would have been at the arraignment and listed in his jail records.

Scroll through the jail record of the other inmates. Everyone represented by an attorney has an attorney listed.

Do you think Collin County would simply make an exception for EA to not list his attorney? They can't. That information is public record.

Whatever attorney Accion America had or has - again, apparently Paul Johnson - is not listed as EA's attorney at present, nor is any other attorney. That's not an opinion; that is a fact demonstrated by Collin County's own website and records.

We'll agree to disagree. I think Johnson is hired by Accion America/Quintana and just advising in that role. You think he's EA's attorney. Collin County lists no attorney, and no objections were made to the bail at arraignment, which is highly unusual for a defendants who have an attorney present. Therefore, I don't think the family has hired an attorney yet; nor, does it appear, that one has been appointed by the court.

Thank you, Quailfoot for checking on the information and posting these facts.

 

[SaintGirl]

As of now, there is no attorney of record for EA. If there were, that attorney would have been at the arraignment and listed in his jail records.

Scroll through the jail record of the other inmates. Everyone represented by an attorney has an attorney listed.

Do you think Collin County would simply make an exception for EA to not list his attorney? They can't. That information is public record.

Whatever attorney Accion America had or has - again, apparently Paul Johnson - is not listed as EA's attorney at present, nor is any other attorney. That's not an opinion; that is a fact demonstrated by Collin County's own website and records.

We'll agree to disagree. I think Johnson is hired by Accion America/Quintana and just advising in that role. You think he's EA's attorney. Collin County lists no attorney, and no objections were made to the bail at arraignment, which is highly unusual for a defendants who have an attorney present. Therefore, I don't think the family has hired an attorney yet; nor, does it appear, that one has been appointed by the court.

I think he's EA's attorney because he's been named as such in numerous MSM articles, where there are direct quotes attributed to him. That holds more weight with me than not having an attny listed with Collin County, which could be a clerical oversight. MOO

How do you know he didn't have representation at arraignment and there was no objection to his bail amount? I'm asking not challenging. It certainly could be the case. I just haven't read that anywhere and obviously wasn't present. TIA

 

[truetexan]

Unless said attorney was tied up with another said case that kept him from being there..... just a thought

 

[catpatrol]

As of now, there is no attorney of record for EA. If there were, that attorney would have been at the arraignment and listed in his jail records.

Scroll through the jail record of the other inmates. Everyone represented by an attorney has an attorney listed.

Do you think Collin County would simply make an exception for EA to not list his attorney? They can't. That information is public record.

Whatever attorney Accion America had or has - again, apparently Paul Johnson - is not listed as EA's attorney at present, nor is any other attorney. That's not an opinion; that is a fact demonstrated by Collin County's own website and records.

We'll agree to disagree. I think Johnson is hired by Accion America/Quintana and just advising in that role. You think he's EA's attorney. Collin County lists no attorney, and no objections were made to the bail at arraignment, which is highly unusual for a defendants who have an attorney present. Therefore, I don't think the family has hired an attorney yet; nor, does it appear, that one has been appointed by the court.

Don't forget that they also entered his name into the system incorrectly the first time and went back a day or two later to correct it.

 

[zippixx]

Hmm, his contacts and approved visitors have changed since the last time I checked.

So has his "address".. no longer in "Inf"...

 

[ahintexas]

A few thoughts on EA: He just doesn't really strike me as someone being part of a "bigger plan". It doesn't appear that he has really been in any kind of big trouble before, other than the phone theft. And I sometimes wonder if Sprint used that as more of an excuse to fire him, because of the CM case. I would imagine that other Sprint, AT&T, (etc) mgrs also "borrow" phones.. not saying it's right, but it probably happens. As far as drugs, he strikes me as more of the type that has contacts and can provide "party favors" if needed, which also makes him "popular" with that type of crowd. The Camaro is also another way he "impresses" people. On his own, without "contacts", the "cool" car, probably "cool" clothes.. it doesn't seem like he would be in much demand. I'm a guy, so I can't really comment on his appeal to the opposite sex. His gf seemed to be nice looking, but again, did she just like to be seen in his car? Watching the videos, I don't see much in the way of any kind of personality... of course it's hard to gauge on those types of videos. And lastly, I think must of us will agree... he doesn't seem that bright. Just a few observations.... What are your thoughts??

I tend to agree. I've thought all along she got into his car for whatever reason, and something went wrong after the fact. I know it's been said that he & Christina were not friends, but they went to school together, they've been FB friends since 2011, and had a ton of friends in common. They weren't exactly strangers. So, I think she felt comfortable getting into his car. Now, after they left the garage is where I have a hard time figuring out what happened. I don't see him as someone who had a plan, or planned to harm Christina that night. I think in a split second, something bad happened.

 

[Quailfoot]

Your original post I was responding to read as if he didn't have an attorney he would be required to talk to LE, or that he initially had to talk to LE because he had no attorney. As I'm sure you know, that is not the case in either situation (Miranda, right to remain silent, etc.)

Also, since it was stated in MSM that PJ was his attorney, can you please provide a link where it is stated that PJ is no longer EA's attorney?

I just did provide the link - it's the Collin County jail/inmate website. I don't know how much more official that can be: http://apps.collincountytx.gov/injail/InJailSearch.aspx

 

[hibiscus31]

I just did provide the link - it's the Collin County jail/inmate website. I don't know how much more official that can be: http://apps.collincountytx.gov/injail/InJailSearch.aspx

Another question...not challenging, so don't take it as such. For those that have an attorney listed, where is it listed on the page? TIA