GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #29 *Arrest*

[MyBelle]

Hello....has it been discussed what both EA and Christina were doing before meeting at SOL or the friend's place? I always thought it was weird they just happened to pull into the garage right behind each other and eventually leave together. Not insinuating they were "together" before but kind of wondering if he already had his eye on her.

BBM. I've wondered the same thing.

 

[AudlyEnough]

Nope, but neither is the person that knew EA yet shared their thoughts. This goes back to we believe what we want to believe and that's fine, but the nitpicking of asking for links for some things but not others is tiresome.

I'm neither nitpicking nor asking for a link. I was responding to a post that referred to the girl (who posted here in September, I think) as a verified insider. I was surprised, as I don't recall that she was ever verified, so I pointed that out. Not a big deal. I promise there's no ulterior motive here. [emoji6]

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I don't know what he's trying to hide. He most certainly could have committed serious crimes previously. I don't know what drug dealers "usually" do or don't do but kidnapping and having a woman's DNA on the inside of the trunk of his car isn't a minor crime.

Of course it's not minor and he's obviously guilty of kidnapping her. I don't dispute that. I was saying in the post you quoted that IMO I don't think he was expecting anything other than money for drugs supplied, if in fact that was his role tthere. IMO any sexual advances he made toward Christina was solely because he was alone with her, not that she owed him for bringing party favors.

 

[SaintGirl]

Has he used more than one last name? Thanks.

Gutierrez. Enrique Gutierrez Arochi but sometimes Arochi isn't used. Gutierrez is his mother's maiden name and he's been listed under both just in Collin County alone. Makes for more confusion.

 

[Latestforever]

I think I may have figured out one of EA's lies, it pertains to the list in the trash about "texts from August 29th to today". On page 3( on phone)of arrest warrant it reports EA saying he got bruising and injuries to arm from turning his tires on August 29th before he went out for the night. He then said something in an interview like, I told my girlfriend about it. Maybe he was trying to cover that lie he was telling... :
https://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/380a-20141212-arrest-10-sw-arrest-return-sealed.pdf

 

[GrassyKnoll]

He was arrested prior to this year at least once for theft. I believe Cookie M provided that link. I can do a search tomorrow ... Can't remember the county or which last name he used.

JnRyan
11-04-2014, 04:24 PM
Thanks Boss. I wonder who can dig up his priors in Allen?

Apologize if someone already posted, but here's what is online:
State of Texas vs. Enrique Gutierrez Arochi
Filed 20 Dec 2010
Date of crime 17 Dec 2010
Case # 2010146533
Theft under $50
https://citations.cityofallen.org/Dashboard/sites/home/ticket-search.html

 

[CookieM]

He was arrested prior to this year at least once for theft. I believe Cookie M provided that link. I can do a search tomorrow ... Can't remember the county or which last name he used.

One prior arrest. Theft under $50. Name is only different because it was listed with mother's family name as his last name instead of his father's family name. In Hispanic culture it's: First, dad's last, mother's last. But people get it confused all the time. You go by the father's last name, but still carry the mother's family name. (A real headache for genealogy when confused, but then again a Godsend for genealogy as well when you are trying to climb back up the family tree!) Just pointing this out because the name difference was not some weird alias like: Enrique Arochi aka Guido "the Fish" Slinkton or something. It appears to be more clerical.

I don't have a link, but another poster found this and posted it in thread #14:

State of Texas vs. Enrique Gutierrez Arochi
Filed 20 Dec 2010
Date of crime 17 Dec 2010
Case # 2010146533
Theft under $50

 

[SteveS]

Hello....has it been discussed what both EA and Christina were doing before meeting at SOL or the friend's place? I always thought it was weird they just happened to pull into the garage right behind each other and eventually leave together. Not insinuating they were "together" before but kind of wondering if he already had his eye on her.

The explanation could be less revelatory than it might appear on the surface. It's possible they had ALL agreed to gather at the apt or tavern at a specified time, and so two of them came at the very same time because they had all set that time to be there.

 

[CookieM]

Hello....has it been discussed what both EA and Christina were doing before meeting at SOL or the friend's place? I always thought it was weird they just happened to pull into the garage right behind each other and eventually leave together. Not insinuating they were "together" before but kind of wondering if he already had his eye on her.

From what has been reported, a larger group of friends (9 of 10) were at PP's apartment partying first -- this is where EA says he had the 10 shots of Captain Morgan. After this, they went to a couple of bars at the Shops. That would be why the four cars were parked near each other in that garage and why CM entered the garage right after EA -- they were driving over from the south side of Legacy where they had all been partying together at PP's. After going to the bars, only 5 hung around, got some food from Whataburger, and returned to PP's.

 

[msrica972]

Thanks! That explains it.

 

[Chocoholic]

I'm finally caught up and too lazy to go back to quote, but Steve, you brought up the question of possible priors with EA. I can only recall a neighbor saying he gave her the creeps, don't remember particulars. I considered that this may not have been his first rodeo in regards to a SA, but I would think people would be crawling out of the woodwork to report. Now if this isn't the first time it escalated past that, who knows.... JMO

ETA- I was the victim of date rape ages ago that I never reported, but if I had heard anything like this regarding that person, I would have spoken out.

 

[Latestforever]

I'm finally caught up and too lazy to go back to quote, but Steve, you brought up the question of possible priors with EA. I can only recall a neighbor saying he gave her the creeps, don't remember particulars. I considered that this may not have been his first rodeo in regards to a SA, but I would think people would be crawling out of the woodwork to report. Now if this isn't the first time it escalated past that, who knows.... JMO

ETA- I was the victim of date rape ages ago that I never reported, but if I had heard anything like this regarding that person, I would have spoken out.

There is the statement in this interview about EA peeping tom through a girl's window:
http://www.truecrimeradio.com/radio-archives/jonni-mcelroy-beth-karas-radio-archive-dec-2014/

I want to add that I hate that happened to you, I hope you have a life full of joy and peace now.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Nope, but neither is the person that knew EA yet shared their thoughts. This goes back to we believe what we want to believe and that's fine, but the nitpicking of asking for links for some things but not others is tiresome.

Yes, I agree some peeps are picking and choosing as minds are made up as to the whole story
of what went down August 30, 2014.
But I didn't mind looking for the answer since I honestly couldn't remember!
vi13, considering the content of her posts, should have been verified. My opinion only.

 

[AudlyEnough]

Ran off to explore some. Good thing I did as I would have sworn poster, vi13, was a verified insider.
Methinks the "vi" has something to do with that.
Plus her posts make it sound as if she is verified, considering her claim about running into CM at Henry's, firsthand knowledge about CM's parking space and clothing.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think vi posted misleading information.
Just it is my nature to question everything and, now, a few details don't match up imo.

Anyway, WS new board doesn't allow me to link a direct window to a specific post like the old one did.
vi13 posted in Thread 1, Post #310 on Sept. 5, her account of running into Christina at Henry's, out of the blue, on Friday night.

She also posted an account of the parking lot situation and the two men who engaged both she and CM in conversation separately.

(It is puzzling why vi claims she didn't realize it was CM until they were already inside Henry's but knew where CM had parked her car.)

What I'm asking, if you don't know a person is someone familiar to you until you get inside a place, how is it possible to know where they parked their car before you knew it was even a person you know?

Once you find a post you're looking for, if you click on the screen name, you can check to view all their posts.

Thread 2, post #305 made Sept. 8, addresses CM's position in the parking lot near Henry's.

vi13 was still posting as of October 19th. I didn't look any further. It is necessary to click and open each post to read the complete post. For some reason, WS is running slow for me making it difficult to look around.

Yes, that was her username! I truly wasn't asking for a link, nor was I correcting you. I was just curious to see if my memory was accurate or not.

 

[AudlyEnough]

Ran off to explore some. Good thing I did as I would have sworn poster, vi13, was a verified insider.
Methinks the "vi" has something to do with that.
Plus her posts make it sound as if she is verified, considering her claim about running into CM at Henry's, firsthand knowledge about CM's parking space and clothing.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think vi posted misleading information.
Just it is my nature to question everything and, now, a few details don't match up imo.

Anyway, WS new board doesn't allow me to link a direct window to a specific post like the old one did.
vi13 posted in Thread 1, Post #310 on Sept. 5, her account of running into Christina at Henry's, out of the blue, on Friday night.

She also posted an account of the parking lot situation and the two men who engaged both she and CM in conversation separately.

(It is puzzling why vi claims she didn't realize it was CM until they were already inside Henry's but knew where CM had parked her car.)

What I'm asking, if you don't know a person is someone familiar to you until you get inside a place, how is it possible to know where they parked their car before you knew it was even a person you know?

Once you find a post you're looking for, if you click on the screen name, you can check to view all their posts.

Thread 2, post #305 made Sept. 8, addresses CM's position in the parking lot near Henry's.

vi13 was still posting as of October 19th. I didn't look any further. It is necessary to click and open each post to read the complete post. For some reason, WS is running slow for me making it difficult to look around.

Also, WS is moving very slowly for me as well. Good to know it's not just my phone.

 

[greenpalm]

…Anyway, WS new board doesn't allow me to link a direct window to a specific post like the old one did.
vi13 posted in Thread 1, Post #310 on Sept. 5, her account of running into Christina at Henry's, out of the blue, on Friday night.…

…Thread 2, post #305 made Sept. 8, addresses CM's position in the parking lot near Henry's.…

Respectfully Snipped for brevity

Woe, you can still link to a post, just not in a separate window. Just right-click on the post number and copy the link, then share that link here, anyone who clicks on it should be directed to that precise post in the thread. Each post still has a unique post number for navigation and quoting purposes.

So, here's your first post from vi13:
Thread 1: post 310
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...lano-30-August-2014-1&p=10928097#post10928097

And here's the second one. thread 2: post #305
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...lano-30-August-2014-2&p=10937003#post10937003

 

[Eileen730]

Hello....has it been discussed what both EA and Christina were doing before meeting at SOL or the friend's place? I always thought it was weird they just happened to pull into the garage right behind each other and eventually leave together. Not insinuating they were "together" before but kind of wondering if he already had his eye on her.

I asked this before also.
Where was she before arriving at SOL??
What time did she leave her place .
Did she go see anyone?

 

[suzyjackson]

I think I've mentioned before that I live 5 hours ahead of most of you and so catch up on most of your posts the next morning as it were.

Last night before I went to bed I saw that Anna had posted to say that the body was definitely not Christina's and whilst she is still someone's loved one I was relieved that Christina's family hadn't had a long agonising wait to find out.

So with respect I could hardly believe that this news seemed to be greeted here with the suggestion that Anna and Jonni should have posted verifiable links. The public facebook group had over 8,000 likes the last time I looked, I don't think I've ever seen much more than 1% of that number in the "browsing the thread" box here (I do accept that there might be more overnight for me).

IMO it's fantastic that they are selfless enough to keep the FB followers up to date at such an awful time, I imagine a scenario where they get a call from LE that goes along the lines of " we can't tell you any details as we still have to find the poor women's family but we can see this isn't Christina" or similar. Who knows why - is she African Americam , Asian, covered in tattoos, 6 feet tall? We don't need to know but I hope that respect would operate and it wouldn't be said that a link must be provided for us to move on.

Anyway, we live to sleuth another day.

The idea of looking into EA's background could yield some interesting new info, I hope someone can find something.

JMO

 

[ShellockHolmes]

Good Morning, Sleuthers! Let's send some positive vibes...and show some love to the family and Jonni! Please, God, let today be the day Christina comes home, Amen!

http://aushcreates.blogspot.com/2010/10/what-seems-to-us-as-bitter-trials-are.html

 

[catpatrol]

It bothers me that the one person who posted that she knew EA refers to Mckinney and not Allen when she talks about growing up in the burbs. She lost credibility with me at that point because Allen is where EA lives along with all the other kids so why the reference to McKinney(

Snipped for brevity.
If you follow the discussion, you will see that I had just asked her whether EA liked to hang out in Allen, Frisco, Plano, or McKinney. She responded by saying McKinney wasn't really big or developed 7 years ago.
I live in Dallas so I tend to group Allen, Frisco, McKinney together so that's why I asked her the question.