GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #35 *Arrest*

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  • #461
Fact: Cops Lie Under Oath and for arrests
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/o...icers-lie-under-oath.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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But are police officers necessarily more trustworthy than alleged criminals? I think not. Not just because the police have a special inclination toward confabulation, but because, disturbingly, they have an incentive to lie. In this era of mass incarceration, the police shouldn&#8217;t be trusted any more than any other witness, perhaps less so.

It is a perversion of the American justice system that strikes directly at the rule of law. Yet it is the routine way of doing business in courtrooms everywhere in America.&#8221;

Mr. Keane, in his Chronicle article, offered two major reasons the police lie so much. First, because they can. Police officers &#8220;know that in a swearing match between a drug defendant and a police officer, the judge always rules in favor of the officer.&#8221; At worst, the case will be dismissed, but the officer is free to continue business as usual. Second, criminal defendants are typically poor and uneducated, often belong to a racial minority, and often have a criminal record. &#8220;Police know that no one cares about these people,&#8221; Mr. Keane explained.

All true, but there is more to the story than that.

Police departments have been rewarded in recent years for the sheer numbers of stops, searches and arrests.

Exposing police lying is difficult largely because it is rare for the police to admit their own lies or to acknowledge the lies of other officers. This reluctance derives partly from the code of silence that governs police practice and from the ways in which the system of mass incarceration is structured to reward dishonesty. But it&#8217;s also because police officers are human.

Research shows that ordinary human beings lie a lot &#8212; multiple times a day &#8212; even when there&#8217;s no clear benefit to lying.



Cops do lie. That is true. But DNA doesn't.
No matter if EA lied about other things that night, those things while weird to lie about wouldn't lead to him being guilty of Christina being missing but her DNA is in his car. 99.9 percent sure the DNA is blood IMO. So what other reason could there be for her DNA in his trunk?
 
  • #462
I'm not familiar with the Grand Jury, we don't have that in Scotland.

What I'm wondering is when EA will have to explain how CM's DNA is in his car, and answer to his lies. Is this at the Grand Jury or does this happen at the trial?

Also will any information from the grand jury be realeased?
 
  • #463
Cops do lie. That is true. But DNA doesn't.
No matter if EA lied about other things that night, those things while weird to lie about wouldn't lead to him being guilty of Christina being missing but her DNA is in his car. 99.9 percent sure the DNA is blood IMO. So what other reason could there be for her DNA in his trunk?

This is purely my speculation about what might have happened based on what I've been reading here on WS about what went down that night/timeline stuff.. totally JMO/MOO and all that - So I've read that EA had taken Adderall, I think, earlier that day or/and again that night? It sounds like there was potentially a lot of drinking and other recreational activities happening. Unfortunately I've known a few guys who get highly aggressive while intoxicated or "on something" when the circumstances are right. It's been mentioned that maybe other "upper drugs" were involved as well that make certain people go crazy and rage. I think he was amped up on substances, they were walking and he wanted something (whether it was sexual, drug related, but wanted something from her), she was like "No thanks, bye" and he went into a substance induced rage and attacked her, she fights back and that's where the bruises/alleged bite mark comes from, he finally maybe punches her hard enough to knock her out and panics while still in a substance induced crazed state and rushes to shove her in the trunk. And the rest.... Idk. He's all amped up so driving a few hours to take care of the situation isn't out of question, he arrives late to work at 11 right? So he has from around 3-something in the morning until 11am... that's around 8 hours total, say he has 4 hours driving around time, a couple more hours cleaning up.

Remember this is just MOO but I used to be involved in a party crowd scene and have seen first hand people flip out and do crazy stuff while under the influence of many things at once, they are stronger than usual, driven on a mission for a purpose and are so amped up they are completely irrational, especially when they have tunnel vision of that one thing they want, whatever that may be. JMO.
 
  • #464
Remember this is just MOO but I used to be involved in a party crowd scene and have seen first hand people flip out and do crazy stuff while under the influence of many things at once, they are stronger than usual, driven on a mission for a purpose and are so amped up they are completely irrational, especially when they have tunnel vision of that one thing they want, whatever that may be. JMO.

This is so true. I knew someone who was addicted to crack cocaine. He once broke a table because the Jack-in-the-Box drive-thru forgot to give him his fries. :crazy:
 
  • #465
Just read through catpatrole's timeline...

10 min
0408
EA drives through main toll gantry at Custer Rd. on 121 northbound
39 min
0447

CM&#8217;s phone pings tower at 5800 Granite Pkwy
(north of Shops at Legacy)
9 min
0456

EA&#8217;s phone pings tower at 5800 Granite Pkwy
(north of Shops at Legacy)
36 min
0532

EA&#8217;s phone
pings tower at 1500 block of E Bethany Dr.
(near EA&#8217;s home)

4 hrs 43 min
1015
EA at Kroger gas pump cleaning back and passenger side of car while refueling
36 min
1051
EA arrives at Sprint

If I'm reading this correctly that's almost 5 hours of unaccounted for time with no pings from either phone? And both of their phones ping towers in a similar place after they would have been presumed already left the parking garage from shops at legacy? Then his phone pings again near his place?

Since they didnt find any evidence of her dna in the front seat and only the trunk from what I've read, I'm going to say he got her in the trunk in the parking garage & then drove to his place real fast, maybe to pick up some supplies cus he was freaking out and still, IMO, in this substance rage. Since he texted CM's boyfriend multiple times regarding rock it's probably safe to say he's on something, maybe he just ran out and that fueled his fire of going into rage b/c CM wouldn't hook him up? After his apartment it looks like a large chunk of time is missing... Then he's cleaning his car, specifically the back of it/trunk area. Maybe he bashed her head on the back of the car and there was some blood? Totally MOO, JMO, etc. People do crazy stuff while on those types of drugs especially if there's been alcohol introduced into the mix. The timeline and the drug references just scream out to me.
 
  • #466
This is so true. I knew someone who was addicted to crack cocaine. He once broke a table because the Jack-in-the-Box drive-thru forgot to give him his fries. :crazy:

Admittedly, I used to be a different sort of addict back in the day, but I will say straight up that addicts will do nearly *anything* to get their fix.. I mean nearly anything. And there is a much greater heightened sense of anxiety involved when you run out, when you don't know where you're going to get more, when you're thinking "WTF am I going to do, I need my fix, need need need" and you are literally freaking completely out. I've experienced this, and I wasn't addicted to "upper" drugs. Imagine being an upper addict and that feeling of anxiety, I can't even fathom how that would feel, but I know the feeling regardless. Part of my past recovery has been admitting in a safe environment some shameful things I did to get my fix, and I mean it was bad.

Being completely sober in my life now I look at all these things and facts we know surrounding this case and it just screams out to me to be drug/substance fueled unfortunately. CM's boyfriend is now in prison himself for drug related charges. I have no idea if/how CM was even involved with that, or if she even knew about her boyfriends lifestyle in that aspect. It sounds like from texts she had an idea. I've read in past threads here speculation of her text picture message being code. I am nearly certain it was, from the people I used to hang around with and seeing their codes. Nobody ever comes right out and states it when they text their hook up/supplier. Except EA, but he doesn't seem very smart about these things in general. It seems like CM was unfortunately maybe caught up in the middle of this, EA wanted some substance, CM couldnt get ahold of her boyfriend, EA flips out cus he's already under the influence. I've seen this happen when people can't get their "medicine".

Sorry if it's against the rules to post stuff like this - But for what it's worth I wanted to share my experience in regards to CM's entire case and what has played out so far, from the perspective of someone who used to be an addict and be in that world. Getting sober was the best thing I've ever done in my entire life, and it's very, very unfortunate the types of crimes that are inflicted upon people due to substance abuse.
 
  • #467
I'm not familiar with the Grand Jury, we don't have that in Scotland.

What I'm wondering is when EA will have to explain how CM's DNA is in his car, and answer to his lies. Is this at the Grand Jury or does this happen at the trial?

Also will any information from the grand jury be released?
I can't answer about the Grand Jury info being released, but a Grand Jury is convened to discover if there is enough evidence to formally indict a suspect. There is no defense nor attorneys allowed in the GJ room. It is exclusively a prosecutor's presentation of the case with witnesses and evidence presented to a special jury designed to hear a number of cases during their service not just one. The GJ is supposed to be "secret" until it returns a "bill". Either they decide there is enough to charge or not. Some states depend on a "preliminary hearing" instead of a GJ investigation. Here is an explanation of the GJ:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury

As far as the explaining away the DNA in the car, most likely the defense will attack the way it was obtained, the veracity of the testing, and will go after every detail from collection to the lab in hopes of discrediting the evidence or the people involved in retrieving it.
 
  • #468
Ok, she totally knew about her boyfriend's ONLY job. She's not an idiot.

I wish I could say more.
 
  • #469
Ok, she totally knew about her boyfriend's ONLY job. She's not an idiot.

I wish I could say more.
He was selling clothing, too. However, I have never heard if he was making any money with that venture.

Of course, CM knew about the dealing and so did at least one of her parents. I still believe CM didn't have a problem with it and told her step-mother what she wanted to hear about leaving him over it. That night she wanted nothing more than to talk to and be with HF not like a woman ready to dump him over drugs at all, imo.
 
  • #470
I'm not familiar with the Grand Jury, we don't have that in Scotland.

What I'm wondering is when EA will have to explain how CM's DNA is in his car, and answer to his lies. Is this at the Grand Jury or does this happen at the trial?

Also will any information from the grand jury be realeased?

EA never has to explain anything to anyone, nor does his defense. If they choose, they can go through the whole process without saying a word or putting on a defense. The grand jury will be presented with evidence from police, any witnesses, experts, forensics, etc and decide what if any charges are to be brought. Once charged, his lawyer can, and most likely will, work up some sort of defense, depending on the evidence but I would be shocked if EA ever testifies. Jmo
 
  • #471
I can't answer about the Grand Jury info being released, but a Grand Jury is convened to discover if there is enough evidence to formally indict a suspect. There is no defense nor attorneys allowed in the GJ room. It is exclusively a prosecutor's presentation of the case with witnesses and evidence presented to a special jury designed to hear a number of cases during their service not just one. The GJ is supposed to be "secret" until it returns a "bill". Either they decide there is enough to charge or not. Some states depend on a "preliminary hearing" instead of a GJ investigation. Here is an explanation of the GJ:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury

As far as the explaining away the DNA in the car, most likely the defense will attack the way it was obtained, the veracity of the testing, and will go after every detail from collection to the lab in hopes of discrediting the evidence or the people involved in retrieving it.

Thanks for that! I understand better now. I guess the GJ does a similar job our procurator fiscal.

That's frustrating that his defence will try and find faults with the evidence. Surly there shouldn't be much they can say?

My heart goes out to her family. How much longer are they going to be torchered.
 
  • #472
Ok, she totally knew about her boyfriend's ONLY job. She's not an idiot.

I wish I could say more.

Heather, I get that impression.. And when you live with someone who has that side venture going on, it's hard *not* to know. I was in a relationship like that in the past.. When someone is getting random texts/calls and people drop by or they have to go out randomly on an "errand".. And it's hard to hide a stash from someone you live with, no matter how crafty you are. EA texted about getting the good rock while they were hanging out, it seems right before the incident happened in the parking garage... Seems indicative of some sort of conversation going on between CM and EA regarding getting hooked up. This is all total speculation on my part, but reading some of these things that have been presented in the case gives me major flashbacks to my youth and situations i've been in that were eerily similar. EA sounds like quite the deceptive person but, maybe being forced into sobriety via prison will eventually give him some sort of clarity of mind and heart to admit the real truth.. Maybe.
 
  • #473
IMO the noose has to get a little snugger, figuratively speaking, and he has to begin to realize the downside of CM being found before he talks, in order to motivate him to offer up info. Time is not on his side - the longer he waits, the more chance she is found - and when he realizes that, we get some urgency.

Thanks!

I understand more clearly the process now. I love the figure of speech about the noose around his neck.

I guess we can only hope that once the Grand Jury indicts him, then he starts talking...

And I'm right in thinking the GJ will be end of Feb beginning of March?
 
  • #474
I think LE mentioned there COULD BE more arrests coming since at the time of the AK arrest, they had evidence of "unknown male DNA" in his car. PPD said this as those documents were being released to the public. If it's protocol to let the evidence lead you to your suspects, quite possibly there COULD be more arrests, but (IMO) no arrests have been made bc they've found the match.
 
  • #475
She was surrounded by drug addicts and drug dealers and drugs. People wanted drugs. She lived w someone who sold them.

I'm not one who is claiming CM was innocent, not into drugs, trying to change HF and angelic.....

But I agree with GT on this. She was not naive about drugs IMO. I think she hid a lot of what was going on from her parents and certain friends/coworkers...as would most people. Remember, LE stated they had reason to believe (what, we don't know) that EVERYONE that night abused drugs.

Although I do believe this, as do most everyone here, I just dont't believe drug dealing was part of the AK or some bigger plan/conspiracy of any sort. I think EA and EA alone acted on a drug/alcohol induced decision.
 
  • #476
Ok, she totally knew about her boyfriend's ONLY job. She's not an idiot.

I wish I could say more.

The arsenal of guns may have provided a hint as well.
They didn't look like guns one uses for hunting (sport).

No one I knew, back in the seventies, had weapons.
Not front and center anyway.
Back then, I never saw a gun anywhere.
Not even the time I ended up at the biker gang house when one of the
"old ladies" pinned me up against a wall.
(Her "old man" said "hello" and smiled at me.) :D
 
  • #477
The arsenal of guns may have provided a hint as well.
They didn't look like guns one uses for hunting (sport).

No one I knew, back in the seventies, had weapons.
Not front and center anyway.
Back then, I never saw a gun anywhere.
Not even the time I ended up at the biker gang house when one of the
"old ladies" pinned me up against a wall.
(Her "old man" said "hello" and smiled at me.) :D

I agree, the presence of guns these days is overwhelming...I lived in LA in the 80's, where there were plenty of drugs for all, never once saw or heard of any guns. Maybe the bigger dealers had them, but if they did, you did not see them or know about it. No one lives among guns and drugs and is unaware, Imo...
 
  • #478
I never saw a gun in all my days of wildness. So scary how things have changed.

I don't think EA used a gun. I think it was probably blunt force trauma. If he killed her, probably strangulation.

Ugh. This case is getting to me. I want to cry.
 
  • #479
Heather, I get that impression.. And when you live with someone who has that side venture going on, it's hard *not* to know. I was in a relationship like that in the past.. When someone is getting random texts/calls and people drop by or they have to go out randomly on an "errand".. And it's hard to hide a stash from someone you live with, no matter how crafty you are. EA texted about getting the good rock while they were hanging out, it seems right before the incident happened in the parking garage... Seems indicative of some sort of conversation going on between CM and EA regarding getting hooked up. This is all total speculation on my part, but reading some of these things that have been presented in the case gives me major flashbacks to my youth and situations i've been in that were eerily similar. EA sounds like quite the deceptive person but, maybe being forced into sobriety via prison will eventually give him some sort of clarity of mind and heart to admit the real truth.. Maybe.

If drug dealing factors are involved with CM's disappearance, I'm not sure EA will or can talk.
He, or a family member, would be a dead man sooner rather than later.
It appears there may have been ongoing conflict between two dealers known to CM.

There isn't a record or evidence EA was dealing drugs.
Considering how much he claims he drank that night, he probably has a substance abuse problem (beyond recreational use).
Hard to fathom he'd be so careless to send such a blatant text asking for "good rock" though. As if it was a big "f-you" to HF.
Especially considering dealers must have suspected there was an investigation going on (surrounding the after hours club) due to the recent overdoses resulting in deaths.

I'm putting myself in the shoes of a drug dealer.
My gf or the person she is with, sends me a request for "that good rock".
How would I react to the text?
Would I want to wring someone's neck?

Shouldn't drug dealers always suspect they're being watched?
Something about EA sending a text from his phone to HF's (regular) phone, is strange imo.
Also, in the beginning, everyone insisted it was CM who used EA's phone in an attempt to get HF's attention.
Jonni confirmed it was true (apparently HF showed her his phone) as there was a vm included from EA's number too.
 
  • #480
I never saw a gun in all my days of wildness. So scary how things have changed.

I don't think EA used a gun. I think it was probably blunt force trauma. If he killed her, probably strangulation.

Ugh. This case is getting to me. I want to cry.

HF displayed his guns via social media though. CM lived with HF.
Guns were on display and no secret to CM.

I don't know if EA owned guns himself or had easy access to guns.
 
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