GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #36 *Arrest*

[MIKAYOYO]

It's like Oprah up in here.....A lie from you. A lie from you and you and you! Lies everywhere.

 

[zippixx]

I keep seeing references to the DNA results ranging from 'significant amount of DNA' to 'large quantities of blood' etc - in his trunk. :gaah:

So I looked again at what we know and the result is not as cut and dried as we may think.

From CBS we read a quote;

BBM;
"The affidavit read:
“Due to the amount of Christina Morris DNA found to be present in the interior trunk area of Arochi’s vehicle,
affiant believes this DNA was from Christina Morris bodily fluids such as blood or saliva.”

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/12/19/...tina-morris-kidnapper-as-sexually-frustrated/


Blood OR saliva. This little snippet from CBS is just brief enough to create confusion among people referring to it. That is not the whole of the affidavit as we well know, but it has been enough to cause people to think that a large volume of blood was found in the trunk. That is simply not so at this point. I think it goes to sloppy reporting and a paraphrasing rather than a quote. CBS doesn't give a link to the document.

Then what is the exact quote? From the documents I have seen, the affidavit used for the Arrest Warrant, "FELONY PROBABLE CAUSE AFFIDAVIT" contains specific information necessary to obtain the warrant for arrest. It is NOT the whole of the evidence that LE has against EA. Nor is it sufficient for prosecution of the case and rightly so, IMO.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1384021-morris-docs-121914.html#document/p1


<page 7 snipped>

BBM;
"Dr Staub told Affiant he found that Bode Technology's results from the above mentioned swab indicated there was a significant amount of DNA present which was produced from a single source female profile

<snipped>
"Dr Staub also told Affiant that based on his experienceand the amount of DNA that was present on the swab taken from [the] interior of Enrique Gutierrez Arochi's trunk, he does not believe the DNA source to have merely been touch DNA, but more likely that the DNA source was a bodily fluid such as blood or saliva


IMO the significant amount of DNA refers to "ON THE SWAB" . AFAIK a swab is kind of like a Q-Tip. It's tiny. The amount of DNA present on the swab refers to the quantity in the sample only. It is important in ascertaining if the DNA is from skin cells, follicles or fluidic sources. In this case it is affirmed in the affidavit that due to the amount ON THE SWAB it was from a fluid - the source not the physical volume. Period. These results in no way relate to a particular liquid volume where the sample was taken.

It's a Q-Tip basically.

IMO, they have much more evidence than a swab relating to weather we can assume a death occurred but all that is needed for the affidavit was a lab test. if the affidavit was all we had to go on I could plant reasonable doubt by saying she peed.

"In his trunk".

Then he let her out.

:cow:

Just to add to your post:

From the sworn testimony at the hearing:

"During her testimony, Detective Cathy Stamm said forensics determined that a substantial amount of Christina’s DNA was found on the trunk mat of Arochi’s 2010 Chevrolet Camaro." (On the mat, not Q-Tip)

"When the substance was sprayed in the trunk, two spots “luminesced faintly,” which Staub said indicated the presence of blood". (Blood, not pee)

It certainly would be consistent with a bodily injury due to the large quantity of her DNA,” he said.

I imagine this info will be more of what jurors will hear..

http://starlocalmedia.com/allenamer...cle_1793280c-9d2f-11e4-94a7-ff06623ae6a4.html

 

[Steleheart]

Just to add to your post:

From the sworn testimony at the hearing:

"During her testimony, Detective Cathy Stamm said forensics determined that a substantial amount of Christina&#8217;s DNA was found on the trunk mat of Arochi&#8217;s 2010 Chevrolet Camaro." (On the mat, not Q-Tip)

"When the substance was sprayed in the trunk, two spots &#8220;luminesced faintly,&#8221; which Staub said indicated the presence of blood". (Blood, not pee)

It certainly would be consistent with a bodily injury due to the large quantity of her DNA,&#8221; he said.

I imagine this info will be more of what jurors will hear..

http://starlocalmedia.com/allenamer...cle_1793280c-9d2f-11e4-94a7-ff06623ae6a4.html

Yes exactly and I had forgotten the Blue Star mentioned at the hearing. but these discrepancies between quantities "on the mat' and "on the swab"will only be cleared up after discovery. Even this print article is not enough to qualify as evidentiary. IMO

And from your link, "Stamm testified that it appeared a cleaning agent had been used on the mat, which is still undergoing tests at the lab." so it's not definitive yet and won't be until trial.

:cow:

 

[Bootsctr]

So the car mat was taken for DNA testing on September 26th with the search warrant. I wonder if the mat was in the car when they searched it on the 4th?

 

[zippixx]

So the car mat was taken for DNA testing on September 26th with the search warrant. I wonder if the mat was in the car when they searched it on the 4th?

I've questioned that too.. It may have been out for "cleaning"... (still don't know why it wasn't thrown out)

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Thank you. Wow. I have to ask.... WHY was the home not searched?
Seriously?!!!! Omg......

This resonated with me. I had to go back to some cases I've followed, and it was the Dylan Redwine case where everyone knows the dad did it, but LE searched his (Dylan's) home hundred miles away for clues. It should be SOP to search a missing person's home for clues.

 

[Sweetgrits]

Anybody could have put her in his trunk, maybe when he wasn't looking. Everybody lies, that's not a crime. Perhaps the drug cartel kingpin that orchestrated it is threatening to tell EAs parent about his crack addiction.

I'm curious as to what would have occupied EA's attention so completely that he wouldn't notice that an unknown person came into a deserted parking garage and was able to get an unwilling Christina into his trunk. Since LE found blood and/or saliva this unknown person must have hit or slapped this young vibrant woman who apparently didn't scream if this was happening while EA wasn't looking. Also, I'm curious about your theory that EA didn't speak up because he was afraid the drug cartel kingpin was going to tell his mommy and daddy that he smoked crack. I really don't mean this in a snarky manner but if you really believe this happened or could have happened what facts or theories did you consider? I'm interested in your thought process. Maybe there is something that would cause me to rethink this case.

 

[zippixx]

Anybody could have put her in his trunk, maybe when he wasn't looking. Everybody lies, that's not a crime. Perhaps the drug cartel kingpin that orchestrated it is threatening to tell EAs parent about his crack addiction.

I'm curious as to what would have occupied EA's attention so completely that he wouldn't notice that an unknown person came into a deserted parking garage and was able to get an unwilling Christina into his trunk. Since LE found blood and/or saliva this unknown person must have hit or slapped this young vibrant woman who apparently didn't scream if this was happening while EA wasn't looking. Also, I'm curious about your theory that EA didn't speak up because he was afraid the drug cartel kingpin was going to tell his mommy and daddy that he smoked crack. I really don't mean this in a snarky manner but if you really believe this happened or could have happened what facts or theories did you consider? I'm interested in your thought process. Maybe there is something that would cause me to rethink this case.

I took the comment as sarcasm...

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I took the comment as sarcasm...

Sarcasm, a great tool in finding the missing.

ETA, searching for link now....

 

[Sweetgrits]

I'm curious as to what would have occupied EA's attention so completely that he wouldn't notice that an unknown person came into a deserted parking garage and was able to get an unwilling Christina into his trunk. Since LE found blood and/or saliva this unknown person must have hit or slapped this young vibrant woman who apparently didn't scream if this was happening while EA wasn't looking. Also, I'm curious about your theory that EA didn't speak up because he was afraid the drug cartel kingpin was going to tell his mommy and daddy that he smoked crack. I really don't mean this in a snarky manner but if you really believe this happened or could have happened what facts or theories did you consider? I'm interested in your thought process. Maybe there is something that would cause me to rethink this case.

Sorry you took it that way, it wasn't intended as sarcasm.

 

[zippixx]

Sorry you took it that way, it wasn't intended as sarcasm.

No... not your comment! The post you replied to.. sorry for the confusion.

 

[NWLady]

Here's a possibility that may lead to other possible scenarios. (Not that I believe this is what happened but rather it's just something that crossed my mind and I wanted to share it to be kicked around).

It's been said there were 3 vehicles that left the parking garage that night, right? What if LE is withholding from we the public (and possibly even the family) of who those other 2 vehicles are because maybe one or both of them are tied into this somehow? It could be one of those things where LE is holding it close to the vest because they don't want to alert any other possible suspects and/or witnesses, and/or they are not disclosing that information while further investigations are being carried out and/or those people may be witnesses to something and are fearful of their names being released?

Thoughts?

 

[Sweetgrits]

Here's a possibility that may lead to other possible scenarios. (Not that I believe this is what happened but rather it's just something that crossed my mind and I wanted to share it to be kicked around).

It's been said there were 3 vehicles that left the parking garage that night, right? What if LE is withholding from we the public (and possibly even the family) of who those other 2 vehicles are because maybe one or both of them are tied into this somehow? It could be one of those things where LE is holding it close to the vest because they don't want to alert any other possible suspects and/or witnesses, and/or they are not disclosing that information while further investigations are being carried out and/or those people may be witnesses to something and are fearful of their names being released?

Thoughts?

Do you believe that if LE is withholding the identity of others in the garage they think they're involved in CM disappearance? The only reference to the other 3 cars that I remember way back was they belonged to mall security. JMO, I don't think there is anyone else other than EA that's involved in CM's disappearance but it's certainly possible.

 

[Happyshoes]

My only thoughts late tonight are that the detectives would not have let Jonni and Anna think that there was enough blood in EA's trunk to say that there was no chance Christina was still alive. As for the dna, I believe there were 2 spots AND "significant amounts" whether the spots were on the liner, heavy blood in the trunk or mat, whatever, there was enough for LE to say they believe he murdered her. I don't have the link but think you all know what I'm referring to. (I'm not so good at those links, anyway, can barely quote somebody else or use an emoji, haha.) I think LE thinks it happened in those 2-3 minutes in the garage and that makes sense to me. I think his state of mind is the answer, too. Love hearing differing opinions, though - open minds rule the world IMO.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Here's a possibility that may lead to other possible scenarios. (Not that I believe this is what happened but rather it's just something that crossed my mind and I wanted to share it to be kicked around).

It's been said there were 3 vehicles that left the parking garage that night, right? What if LE is withholding from we the public (and possibly even the family) of who those other 2 vehicles are because maybe one or both of them are tied into this somehow? It could be one of those things where LE is holding it close to the vest because they don't want to alert any other possible suspects and/or witnesses, and/or they are not disclosing that information while further investigations are being carried out and/or those people may be witnesses to something and are fearful of their names being released?

Thoughts?

I will have to go back and look, but what was the deal with the damn white truck in the Mickey Schunick case? Didn't LE downplay the significance of the truck??

 

[Happyshoes]

Do you believe that if LE is withholding the identity of others in the garage they think they're involved in CM disappearance? The only reference to the other 3 cars that I remember way back was they belonged to mall security. JMO, I don't think there is anyone else other than EA that's involved in CM's disappearance but it's certainly possible.

I think I remember that, too, Sweetgrits. I'm a GRIT like you (and I actually put sugar in my grits when I eat them, too!) I do think they had the video enhanced and were able to tell they were security. Anyone else would have been interviewed. Do we know the exit times of all 3 cars? Was EA the last car?

 

[SteveS]

Defense could say that when they got to the garage, they were both attacked by a third party. EA got his marks and wounds from the attack at this point or later.

Hmmm.. having served on a felony jury before, personally I would find that far-fetched. The prosecution would probably destroy that theory, even with just the evidence we currently know... JMO!!

Zippixx, you're exactly right. As daisytrail has noted several times, when you investigate the source of hoofbeats, common sense reminds you to look for horses, not zebras, and never unicorns.

Given the evidence, EA can't effectively sell the claim that he doesn't know how DM came to land in his trunk. He was there. And coming up with some sort of new story of what happened when he was there will contradict other explanations he has previously offered, requiring some real evidence if he wants to get people to believe it. I've seen nothing, just an idea without any actual evidence.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

My only thoughts late tonight are that the detectives would not have let Jonni and Anna think that there was enough blood in EA's trunk to say that there was no chance Christina was still alive. As for the dna, I believe there were 2 spots AND "significant amounts" whether the spots were on the liner, heavy blood in the trunk or mat, whatever, there was enough for LE to say they believe he murdered her. I don't have the link but think you all know what I'm referring to. (I'm not so good at those links, anyway, can barely quote somebody else or use an emoji, haha.) I think LE thinks it happened in those 2-3 minutes in the garage and that makes sense to me. I think his state of mind is the answer, too. Love hearing differing opinions, though - open minds rule the world IMO.

I have followed many cases where LE has enough blood or dna to think the vic is dead, so they go ahead and charge with murder. If there's so much dna/blood to think Christina is dead, why aren't we seeing a murder case? I think based on public outcry, the DA could easily get a murder conviction, so why aren't they going for that? Honest question.

 

[zippixx]

My only thoughts late tonight are that the detectives would not have let Jonni and Anna think that there was enough blood in EA's trunk to say that there was no chance Christina was still alive. As for the dna, I believe there were 2 spots AND "significant amounts" whether the spots were on the liner, heavy blood in the trunk or mat, whatever, there was enough for LE to say they believe he murdered her. I don't have the link but think you all know what I'm referring to. (I'm not so good at those links, anyway, can barely quote somebody else or use an emoji, haha.) I think LE thinks it happened in those 2-3 minutes in the garage and that makes sense to me. I think his state of mind is the answer, too. Love hearing differing opinions, though - open minds rule the world IMO.

Pretty much my thoughts.. and as I've mentioned before, it could have been close to 4 minutes, depending on the exact time stamp (3:55:01-3:58:59).. I'm not 100% sold that it happened in the garage (I DO lean that way), but it certainly could have & that seems to be what LE believes.. All JMO

 

[zippixx]

I have followed many cases where LE has enough blood or dna to think the vic is dead, so they go ahead and charge with murder. If there's so much dna/blood to think Christina is dead, why aren't we seeing a murder case? I think based on public outcry, the DA could easily get a murder conviction, so why aren't they going for that? Honest question.

I think they would rather have a body.. AK is probably a conviction & there is no statute on a murder charge down the road... (correct me if I'm wrong).. JMO