GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #36 *Arrest*

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  • #721
Since it was the only lead the public had in the case, we discussed it ad nauseum. That's why we started calling it the damn white truck, and then it became DWT for short. LOL
 
  • #722
Personally, I still don't think purses & Scions have anything to do with CM missing... JMO & IMO!!! But I respect anyone's decision to post about it...
(who the heck would buy one of those purses out of the back of a car...?):thinking:

What is puzzling though, if HF really did own a Scion at one time (as suggested by someone who MAY know the truth), why would other posters, awhile back, be so adamant that he did not.

There's a documentary series called Drug, Inc. I've mentioned and watched some episodes. In a similar series (can't recall the name right now), subjects such as fake/counterfeit products are exposed and discussed.
One guy featured on a show said he made the switch from selling drugs to selling counterfeit goods so he wouldn't end up in prison for the rest of his life.
He began worrying about what his children would do without him.

Also, there's always a chance that authentic purses were obtained by smash and grab robberies or break-ins at rich peoples' homes.
Seems like something people who need drugs (to use or to sell) would do - anything to make a lot of money at the expense of someone else.

The average young woman doesn't own designer handbags within the price range if those were authentic, especially not two of the same (as mentioned).
Even with a department store discount, buying one wouldn't make sense. IMO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smash_and_grab

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...eds-target-smash-grab-jewel-thieves/24111045/

http://voices.suntimes.com/news/bre...-of-purses-stolen-in-old-town-smash-and-grab/
100K worth of designer bags stolen
 
  • #723
Did anyone follow the case of the guy who was kidnapped/murdered and they texted his girlfriend to get her out of the house. She thought it was her bf based on the text, so she went to go meet him. When he didn't show up, she returned him and the house had been robbed. Here is an article.

http://www.metro.us/new-york/fifth-...in-his-trunk-in-bronx/zsJobu---VwABnQ3yNo8wo/

It got me thinking...since HF wasn't home and allegedly at the hotel. What if EA and/or whomever..take your pick, went and ransacked her and HFs house looking for drugs/money etc? The PI said this was about drugs in her opinion. Although, haven't heard peep out of her. LE mentioned drugs as well. IMO I don't think when HF came home he would EVER report this even when CM turned up missing. I find it very odd that there is no mention about her home being searched by LE. Or comments of some kind by someone.
 
  • #724
It might have been a "normal" evening without the drug & alcohol mixture.. depending on EA's "normal" (sober) mental state of mind & if his fuse was lit...

I think this, too, but it so happens that with his particular drug & alcohol mixture, along with rejection, coming down or frustrated, led to this walk to the garage becoming deadly, IMO.
 
  • #725
I found a recent conviction for a guy in TX who got 60 years for kidnapping BUT he had a TON of felonies.

Here's the case.

Weatherford Texas - The abduction by Jeffery Maxwell lasted only 12 days. It was a horrendous crime, but she was not killed. And then the victim returned to her life.

It only took the jury an hour.

Maxwell received three life sentences, and then the judge in the case "stacked" two of them, meaning he will not be eligible for parole until he is 119 years old."

The victim said the sentence imposed on Maxwell gives her some satisfaction. "I feel very relieved, because that was one of my worries -- that he would come after me and try to kill me if he ever gets out," she said. "It's a miracle that I'm alive."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey...d-torture-of-his-63-year-old-former-neighbor/
 
  • #726
Here's the case.

Weatherford Texas - The abduction by Jeffery Maxwell lasted only 12 days. It was a horrendous crime, but she was not killed. And then the victim returned to her life.

It only took the jury an hour.

Maxwell received three life sentences, and then the judge in the case "stacked" two of them, meaning he will not be eligible for parole until he is 119 years old."

The victim said the sentence imposed on Maxwell gives her some satisfaction. "I feel very relieved, because that was one of my worries -- that he would come after me and try to kill me if he ever gets out," she said. "It's a miracle that I'm alive."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey...d-torture-of-his-63-year-old-former-neighbor/

Nope. Not who I was talking about.
 
  • #727
It is far fetched that someone they know could be in the garage waiting for them? It took them 20 mins to get there according to the VIs. I could drive places in less than 20. A guest could have texted someone and said, "they left." Someone could have drove there. Walked there. Casting doubt is the name of the defenses game. I could think of SO MANY ideas. Not in the mood to post them all because all i will hear is not possible, no way, and he put her IN the trunk. I explore a lot because where is Christina?

Well Nickerson called and wanted to know if she was at her car an d she told him they were still walking.
yes?
Then there was the call from the ex.
 
  • #728
No, not new. And yes, completely unrelated as far as the family is concerned, but leaves the door open for a lot of unanswered questions, such as how would EA know HF had some good rock?

Exactly! Put this question in a pipe and smoke it.
Jonni's opinion that HF's drug dealing arrest and Christina's disappearance are unrelated, makes me question if she was aware of the three communications from EA's phone to HF.
And, if not, why not.
Jonni supposedly saw HF's phone (he showed it to her). Did he show it to her AFTER LE extracted the data? If not, wonder why she didn't see and read EA's two texts. If it was after (and LE didn't keep his phone but just downloaded data), then HF deleted before letting Jonni go through his phone and Christina's messages.
IMO she never should have trusted or believed him in the first place.
 
  • #729
Gee, I didn't get very far tonight. You guys have been busy posting.
Hope the thread is still open tomorrow. :seeya:
 
  • #730
Good evening everyone!

I've had a lot of work to catch up on and haven't been able to post. It goes without saying that I've had to exercise remarkable constraint in even looking @ WS in order to be productive on other work. Coincidentally, I'm having to use the same self restraint in not posting responses to every third message. I don’t know if it’s the ice on the roads or what, but it is SO salty in here.

Not sure what your point is here[modsnip]. But points for confusing the issue.


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IMO, a sleuther is highlighting facts, as presented by LE into a debate that is straying off topic. Are there aspects of the LE reports you believe muddy the waters? If there’s any confusion, just ask!

I didn't ask if he was angry.

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Outside of EA’s emotional state, do you have a question that needs clarification? Please forgive me if I missed it.

I don't believe anyone here is disputing that EA lies, but he is not the only that has lied. I'm having a hard time believing he acted alone.

EA has certainly told some whoppers throughout this case; you’ve got that right! Multiple times. I am curious of your theory on him not having acted alone; do you have and can you supply fact based evidence corroborating this theory (by all means, please supply this to LE rather than WS if that’s the case)? I am not disputing he did or didn’t, I’m simply trying to understand the source of information you have that the rest of us have not yet been made privy to.

Why would he kidnap her?

Im confused about the kidnapping charges.

Why not just a murder charge? Why not abduction?

• First and foremost, the law makes a distinction between abduction and kidnapping and hence there are differences in penalties set out in the two cases. Penalty is often dependent upon the circumstances and the torture, if any inflicted on the abducted or captive.

• Abduction does not involve any ransom as the hostage is in himself a reward for the abductor. On the other hand, kidnapping is done basically for some demands that are later revealed through media or telephone. Abductor, on the other hand, does not want any media glare or attention, and his motive remains unclear until he is captured.

• The victim must be a minor in case of kidnapping while in the case of abduction; the victim can be both a minor and an adult.

Statutes can be confusing; EA is not being charged with kidnapping, he is being charged with aggravated kidnapping and sexual assault is being cited as the the motive due to his behavior prior to his departure from the apartment. There is certain criteria that must be met and presented to a judge, and that judge must find the evidence compelling enough to sign an arrest warrant. Aggravated kidnapping, being a felony charge, has quite a few substantial items of criteria. I’ve attached the link for your review. It is labeled as Sec. 20.04. Aggravated Kidnapping.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.20.htm

Anybody could have put her in his trunk, maybe when he wasn't looking. Everybody lies, that's not a crime. Perhaps the drug cartel kingpin that orchestrated it is threatening to tell EAs parent about his crack addiction.

Well, looks like LE broke the news about the “good rock” text to his parents (and the public) during the bond hearing, so whoopsies on that! If that’s the case, maybe EA will now be free from the albatross of judgement and stigma from his “crack addiction” and will finally be able to cleanse his conscience of the events from that night.


:ditto: Off topic, but does anyone know of a supplement to stop a dog from shedding so much. She's a lab, but she sheds like crazy. I try to brush her every day, but still so much hair. I wouldn't want to give the cops my computer either.... just saying!

Awe, I love Labs!! I did some internet research for you. While Labs were not mentioned as problematic shedders in the article I found, I realized the gender of your lab was not cited, so on the off chance it helps, here is what I was able to find out:

“*****es tend to shed heavily 6 to 8 weeks after having a litter and when they are going through a heat cycle, due to hormonal influences.”

Your lab hasn’t recently had puppies, has she? If so, it’s completely normal. If not, Cod Liver is recommended.

http://www.petwave.com/Dogs/Basics/Shedding.aspx
 
  • #731
Lol OK
I have a chocolate lab.
The vet said. Eileen they chew till they are 2 and she'd till they are dead.
Lol
 
  • #732
Completely agree with you. It wouldn't make sense for him to get 99 years. Hard criminals with several felonies are not even given the max often times when they reoffend.

Nah. An abduction like this is not something that a jury is going to give a pass on, just because he hasn't been caught doing it before. This is not one of those crimes in which a jury will think, "Hey, this isn't so bad. Poor little 'enrique' just needs a slap on the wrist, so let's kinda look the other way."

And beyond that, I think EA will get 99 because of specific dynamics that will play out in the penalty phase of this case.

In the penalty phase, he's already been convicted, and a decision on the proper amount of justice to dispense is going to be made by the ones who just declared him guilty BARD. They know he did it, with CM removed permanently from her life, while he is continuing on.

In that context, her wounded family will be talking to them in the penalty phase, about the impact of this crime on their lives. And then they will remind the jury: he knows, and he still is cruelly refusing to tell the family what he did with her. And the jury, having just convicted him, will also be aware: yep, he abducted her so he knows what he did with her, and he's not helping.

See, the problem is that "refusal to help in any way" will define who he is for the ones deciding how much punishment he needs. And with his silence on her whereabouts, there are only two options:
(1) he's not telling while she's alive somewhere - which means he wants to prolong the abduction, is sadistic, a torturer, doesn't care about her family or her, may have cruel intent going forward, wants to continue to inflict pain, and more...or,
(2) he's not telling where she is because he killed her - which then means he's a killer covering up a murder.

Then the jury will decide, what do we do with a sadistic sociopath who has no regard for others, or a killer. We have one or the other.

Neither of those possibilities would imo ever motivate a jury to any degree of leniency, so all roads then lead to 99 years.

As I've been saying for some time, it's EA's refusal (or willingness) to talk - tell what he did, tell her family where he put her, provide closure to victims, and work a deal - that's going to seal his fate. And imo as time goes on, the deal he can get for talking is going to get worse and worse - accompanied by the risk that if she is found, it goes away entirely.
 
  • #733
Did Christina live with Nickerson at one time?
 
  • #734
Anybody up thinking late (after 10pm)? I want to address if those of us who think EA lost it on Christina in the garage think that he killed her there, put her in the trunk or if he knocked her out, put her in the trunk, then went somewhere else to finish what he started? I tend to think it happened immediately.

Now OTOH, if she went with him to score from some other source, anything could have happened - I'm open to that much. Would there have been somebody locally that they could have tried to get in touch with? ALP? He was mad with HF that night, could have been an issue between the 3 of them if they hooked up. Wish we had more info. Just going to say a short prayer for CM's family instead. No matter how it went, I wish she had woken up and smelled the coffee long before she did. Like at a bad horror movie, I wanna say "Girrrlllll, don't go in there".

I believe that EA kidnapped and killed CM but I don't really believe that it happened in the garage. I know that CM is tiny but so was I when I was in my twenties and I can promise you it would have taken longer than 3 minutes to knock me out and get me in the trunk. Little people are very feisty and I remember JMom saying one time that Christina would have fought for her life.

Since there was a text asking about "good rock" I believe EA was at least interested in scoring more drugs. I think Christina was in EA's car to look for more. I don't know how far the club where HF was but I believe that Christina at least knew he would be somewhere selling his wares. Maybe they were going there, maybe they call ALP. But I believe when Enrique found out drugs were out I think he turned to his second reason for being with CM. I think he came on to her and she said no. I believe that his injuries were a result of the fight of her life. I also don't think he was smart enough to hide her body so well it will never be found, I think the area where he dumped her just hasn't been searched yet

I know others don't believe this but it's okay to have different opinions. JMO, MOO, IMO
 
  • #735
I believe that EA kidnapped and killed CM but I don't really believe that it happened in the garage. I know that CM is tiny but so was I when I was in my twenties and I can promise you it would have taken longer than 3 minutes to knock me out and get me in the trunk. Little people are very feisty and I remember JMom saying one time that Christina would have fought for her life.

Since there was a text asking about "good rock" I believe EA was at least interested in scoring more drugs. I think Christina was in EA's car to look for more. I don't know how far the club where HF was but I believe that Christina at least knew he would be somewhere selling his wares. Maybe they were going there, maybe they call ALP. But I believe when Enrique found out drugs were out I think he turned to his second reason for being with CM. I think he came on to her and she said no. I believe that his injuries were a result of the fight of her life. I also don't think he was smart enough to hide her body so well it will never be found, I think the area where he dumped her just hasn't been searched yet

I know others don't believe this but it's okay to have different opinions. JMO, MOO, IMO

I agree, it didn't happen in the garage. Another reason I believe she was in his car are the injuries to the right side of EA. And possibly how his car got damaged. I don't see SA as motive. JMO
 
  • #736
This resonated with me. I had to go back to some cases I've followed, and it was the Dylan Redwine case where everyone knows the dad did it, but LE searched his (Dylan's) home hundred miles away for clues. It should be SOP to search a missing person's home for clues.

Thank you. It bothers me a lot.
Someone mentioned the drug investigation. What? So if a human being goes missing and that missing person had lived with a suspected dealer under investigation, then the home does not get searched? Really? Am I missing something? Was there ever a reason given why the home wasn't searched? TIA. I mean if nothing of substance was found, that - at least - possibly could be used to rules things out, if nothing else. I'm just stunned.

Also, do any of you guys know if Christina's DNA was gathered from anything else other than the soda can in her car? A hairbrush? A toothbrush? Anything else? I know this is not about me; but if there is a soda can left in my car, especially on a day or night out with friends, I can tell you it is not mine. If someone who knew her so well had said that she "always" drinks Dr. Pepper and it's her favorite drink of all time, then well, I guess ok then. But still, if it's just sitting there in her car, I'd want another sample in addition to the soda can. I could see using the can if there were no other DNA samples available; but I don't see that as the case here since there were presumably plenty of items of hers at her home.

So what are they saying? That the DNA from a soda can in her car matches the DNA in the cargo space of EA's vehicle?
 
  • #737
I think this, too, but it so happens that with his particular drug & alcohol mixture, along with rejection, coming down or frustrated, led to this walk to the garage becoming deadly, IMO.

Was the person inebriated or high etc- the one who claims that EA was "rejected?" or whatever word was used? TIA
 
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  • #739
Ya know guys I dont even think her car was properly seized.
 
  • #740
Not really. Drugs were involved. Period. They were either directly involved in her abduction and death or indirectly involved, but they were involved. Not so wide. I think the text about good rock (some 5 minutues at most before she disappears) proves that. MOO

I agree!
Drugs are the reason this happened!
Not sexual assault!

The SA was the only way they could get him in jail.
And Ill bet they made a bigger issue of him and SB with the couch thing this gave them their motive.
 
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