GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #36 *Arrest*

[Eileen730]

two spots “luminesced faintly

to me faintly means they dont have a lot to go on.

shouldn't it light up like a Christmas tree!

and why not come out and say what it was. not possibly saliva, or bodily fluid.



And why cant they come out and say exactly

 

[Eileen730]

My only thoughts late tonight are that the detectives would not have let Jonni and Anna think that there was enough blood in EA's trunk to say that there was no chance Christina was still alive. As for the dna, I believe there were 2 spots AND "significant amounts" whether the spots were on the liner, heavy blood in the trunk or mat, whatever, there was enough for LE to say they believe he murdered her. I don't have the link but think you all know what I'm referring to. (I'm not so good at those links, anyway, can barely quote somebody else or use an emoji, haha.) I think LE thinks it happened in those 2-3 minutes in the garage and that makes sense to me. I think his state of mind is the answer, too. Love hearing differing opinions, though - open minds rule the world IMO.

LE is not always very open and up front with the families of the victims they are usually left in the dark. I had thought Jonni was getting her info from others outside of LE.
JMO

 

[Eileen730]

As You watch them walking into the garage u see her backpack and a strap across her body.
Ill bet that's her camera!

 

[suzyjackson]

Thank you. It bothers me a lot.
Someone mentioned the drug investigation. What? So if a human being goes missing and that missing person had lived with a suspected dealer under investigation, then the home does not get searched? Really? Am I missing something? Was there ever a reason given why the home wasn't searched? TIA. I mean if nothing of substance was found, that - at least - possibly could be used to rules things out, if nothing else. I'm just stunned.

Also, do any of you guys know if Christina's DNA was gathered from anything else other than the soda can in her car? A hairbrush? A toothbrush? Anything else? I know this is not about me; but if there is a soda can left in my car, especially on a day or night out with friends, I can tell you it is not mine. If someone who knew her so well had said that she "always" drinks Dr. Pepper and it's her favorite drink of all time, then well, I guess ok then. But still, if it's just sitting there in her car, I'd want another sample in addition to the soda can. I could see using the can if there were no other DNA samples available; but I don't see that as the case here since there were presumably plenty of items of hers at her home.

So what are they saying? That the DNA from a soda can in her car matches the DNA in the cargo space of EA's vehicle?

Just to back up for a moment, do we have a link to prove that her home wasn't searched or are you concluding that because LE haven't specifically said that it was?

It would be very odd if they hadn't carried out a search, so odd in fact that my money's on them having done it but not going public with that fact.

JMO

Your point about the soda can is a very good one, again I'd hope that once LE had the time to process the house properly they would also take some more DNA samples. They would also be able to get family matches from all of Christina's relatives so to me the actual likelihood of making a mistake in identifying Christina's would be to vanishingly small.

JMO

 

[Sweetgrits]

Thank you. It bothers me a lot.
Someone mentioned the drug investigation. What? So if a human being goes missing and that missing person had lived with a suspected dealer under investigation, then the home does not get searched? Really? Am I missing something? Was there ever a reason given why the home wasn't searched? TIA. I mean if nothing of substance was found, that - at least - possibly could be used to rules things out, if nothing else. I'm just stunned.

Also, do any of you guys know if Christina's DNA was gathered from anything else other than the soda can in her car? A hairbrush? A toothbrush? Anything else? I know this is not about me; but if there is a soda can left in my car, especially on a day or night out with friends, I can tell you it is not mine. If someone who knew her so well had said that she "always" drinks Dr. Pepper and it's her favorite drink of all time, then well, I guess ok then. But still, if it's just sitting there in her car, I'd want another sample in addition to the soda can. I could see using the can if there were no other DNA samples available; but I don't see that as the case here since there were presumably plenty of items of hers at her home.

So what are they saying? That the DNA from a soda can in her car matches the DNA in the cargo space of EA's vehicle?

I agree frisson, I would expect them to search her home and her car. But didn't LE turn CM car over to Mark without searching it? No matter what they believe happened (in EA trunk) at the beginning they should have searched everything, PP apartment, CM car and the cars of all of the friends at the apartment, Christina's car and HF car. At the beginning they had no clue where she was so I think it would be smarter to search everything upfront rather than waiting and risk missing something important. At this point I don't think any of those areas would have yielded anything but they didn't know that upfront. JMO

 

[suzyjackson]

Was the person inebriated or high etc- the one who claims that EA was "rejected?" or whatever word was used? TIA

The general view seems to be that everyone was on something that night

JMO

 

[suzyjackson]

I believe it said within20 to 30 mins later

My memory is that it was about 45 minutes later.

JMO

 

[suzyjackson]

two spots “luminesced faintly

to me faintly means they dont have a lot to go on.

shouldn't it light up like a Christmas tree!

and why not come out and say what it was. not possibly saliva, or bodily fluid.



And why cant they come out and say exactly

To me faintly says that even after the odoban assault there was still enough DNA left to be identifiable or in other words there was a lot to start with.

JMO

 

[zippixx]

Thank you. It bothers me a lot.
Someone mentioned the drug investigation. What? So if a human being goes missing and that missing person had lived with a suspected dealer under investigation, then the home does not get searched? Really? Am I missing something? Was there ever a reason given why the home wasn't searched? TIA. I mean if nothing of substance was found, that - at least - possibly could be used to rules things out, if nothing else. I'm just stunned.

Also, do any of you guys know if Christina's DNA was gathered from anything else other than the soda can in her car? A hairbrush? A toothbrush? Anything else? I know this is not about me; but if there is a soda can left in my car, especially on a day or night out with friends, I can tell you it is not mine. If someone who knew her so well had said that she "always" drinks Dr. Pepper and it's her favorite drink of all time, then well, I guess ok then. But still, if it's just sitting there in her car, I'd want another sample in addition to the soda can. I could see using the can if there were no other DNA samples available; but I don't see that as the case here since there were presumably plenty of items of hers at her home.

So what are they saying? That the DNA from a soda can in her car matches the DNA in the cargo space of EA's vehicle?

The DNA experts obtain the sample & then create a profile (using her parents DNA). Laboratories confirm that the DNA is indeed a match, before using it for forensics.. I'm sure it is basic "DNA 101". They would not be so silly as to "assume" just because CM drank Dr Pepper, that the can has her DNA (and compromise the entire case), without thorough testing.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/PDF-Enrique-Arochi-Arrest-Warrant-286397761.html

 

[suzyjackson]

I agree frisson, I would expect them to search her home and her car. But didn't LE turn CM car over to Mark without searching it? No matter what they believe happened (in EA trunk) at the beginning they should have searched everything, PP apartment, CM car and the cars of all of the friends at the apartment, Christina's car and HF car. At the beginning they had no clue where she was so I think it would be smarter to search everything upfront rather than waiting and risk missing something important. At this point I don't think any of those areas would have yielded anything but they didn't know that upfront. JMO

Yes, I haven't followed a huge number of cases on WS but one of the ones I did was Heather Elvis and as soon as I heard that LE had allowed MM to drive the car away I groaned inside. I can see though that a disappearance of this type is pretty rare and that LE maybe wouldn't have the resources to assume that every car that's left in a parking garage for a few days might hold vital crime scene clues.

JMO

 

[suzyjackson]

As You watch them walking into the garage u see her backpack and a strap across her body.
Ill bet that's her camera!

My mind is hazy with the details of all 36 threads but the camera was found at her home, she didn't have it with her that night.

JMO

 

[txyorkiemom]

As You watch them walking into the garage u see her backpack and a strap across her body.
Ill bet that's her camera!

Oh Yes... The Camera... ya mean the one that belongs in the open camera case in the backseat of the Celica?? the same one found at the home she shared with the one that NEVER reported her missing???.. Probably that same camera ...also the one that all the searchers were instructed to look for since day 1 per TES & DPS ???

:lurk::guitar::nevermind:

 

[zippixx]

Just to back up for a moment, do we have a link to prove that her home wasn't searched or are you concluding that because LE haven't specifically said that it was?

It would be very odd if they hadn't carried out a search, so odd in fact that my money's on them having done it but not going public with that fact.

JMO

Your point about the soda can is a very good one, again I'd hope that once LE had the time to process the house properly they would also take some more DNA samples. They would also be able to get family matches from all of Christina's relatives so to me the actual likelihood of making a mistake in identifying Christina's would be to vanishingly small.

JMO

We never have heard "officially" if the home was searched, or not.. I really think people are underestimating PPD. I tend to think they know what they are doing... A lot of these accusations sounds like leftover O.J. blunders.. jmo

 

[txyorkiemom]

Ya know guys I dont even think her car was properly seized.

I am of the strong standing opinion ..that many things were fumbled from the get go... starting with NEVER reported her missing!!

 

[txyorkiemom]

I agree!
Drugs are the reason this happened!
Not sexual assault!

The SA was the only way they could get him in jail.
And Ill bet they made a bigger issue of him and SB with the couch thing this gave them their motive.

Yup ..NO Sexual Motive at all.

 

[frisson]

Just to back up for a moment, do we have a link to prove that her home wasn't searched or are you concluding that because LE haven't specifically said that it was?

It would be very odd if they hadn't carried out a search, so odd in fact that my money's on them having done it but not going public with that fact.

JMO

Your point about the soda can is a very good one, again I'd hope that once LE had the time to process the house properly they would also take some more DNA samples. They would also be able to get family matches from all of Christina's relatives so to me the actual likelihood of making a mistake in identifying Christina's would be to vanishingly small.

JMO

BBM
Thank you.
I mentioned the home being searched (or not) bc I thought YorkieMom or one of you would have the search warrant if there were one. I understood that after X number of days that that information/document became accessible to the public and the sleuthers here have these documents (I thought). I also understood that it was standard procedure to search the home of a missing person, as in... one of the first things done to rule out the significant other/spouse, to find things that may speak to state of mind or other contacts, etc.
But they have to have a warrant or permission from a resident to search a home. Right? However, it was said that HF was so cooperative, why would he deny LE access to the home? Well, we know that now, but even if denied access to the home, it seems LE could get a warrant easily since it's a missing person case. Did I miss something? Iow, it is CM's home and she's the one missing so she takes precedence, does she not? (As opposed to whatever other case involving whoever else was under investigation?)

If a search of CM's home was done - great. I just didnt' see anything about it and it is important imo. It just seems there'd be a paper trail to that effect since I cant see HF inviting folks in.

Also, I'm curious what else was tested for CM's DNA in addition to the soda can in the car and how did they get it? Did Jonni go in the home and retrieve things? Is that procedure? Bc I thought LE is supposed to gather the sample. And perhaps they did, but again, I haven't read anything to that effect and would really like to read it - if it's out there. I'm just wondering why is it that only the soda can is what we read about in the document/proceedings regarding CM's DNA? That seems the weakest way to gather DNA when there are other choices available.

I'm just thinking out loud. Didn't mean to cause a problem.

 

[daisytrail]

Lol OK
I have a chocolate lab.
The vet said. Eileen they chew till they are 2 and she'd till they are dead.
Lol

Throughout all the brouhaha, forgive me for taking a moment to celebrate the joys of a misplaced apostrophe! :cheers:

 

[frisson]

We never have heard "officially" if the home was searched, or not.. I really think people are underestimating PPD. I tend to think they know what they are doing... A lot of tese accusations sounds like leftover O.J. blunders.. jmo

I was wondering if there's a search warrant out there in cyberland available to the public. If it's out there, one of you guys would have it. Also, the home search speaks to the other DNA articles, right? The soda can in the car was not the only choice of items with CM's DNA. I guess you (not you, you) cant mention the other articles of CM's if you aren't at liberty to say how you obtained the articles. I'm trying to make a point and apparently not doing it very well. Does anyone get what I'm trying to say? I was not knocking LE regarding the home search.

 

[daisytrail]

I agree frisson, I would expect them to search her home and her car. But didn't LE turn CM car over to Mark without searching it? No matter what they believe happened (in EA trunk) at the beginning they should have searched everything, PP apartment, CM car and the cars of all of the friends at the apartment, Christina's car and HF car. At the beginning they had no clue where she was so I think it would be smarter to search everything upfront rather than waiting and risk missing something important. At this point I don't think any of those areas would have yielded anything but they didn't know that upfront. JMO

The part about her car has always, always bothered me. I have always wondered at what point LE began taking the fact that she was missing seriously. At what point did they decide that she might actually have been a victim of a serious crime?

 

[Sweetgrits]

We never have heard "officially" if the home was searched, or not.. I really think people are underestimating PPD. I tend to think they know what they are doing... A lot of these accusations sounds like leftover O.J. blunders.. jmo

I may be underestimating them. I just figured if they had searched Christina's place that one of the VI's would have mentioned it. But if LE didn't search her car would they even think to search the home?