GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #36 *Arrest*

[frisson]

The DNA experts obtain the sample & then create a profile (using her parents DNA). Laboratories confirm that the DNA is indeed a match, before using it for forensics.. I'm sure it is basic "DNA 101". They would not be so silly as to "assume" just because CM drank Dr Pepper, that the can has her DNA (and compromise the entire case), without thorough testing.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/PDF-Enrique-Arochi-Arrest-Warrant-286397761.html

Thanks. My device wont open your link. Does it say in the link that Jonni and/or Mark gave a sample for DNA comparison? MAybe it says so right there in the link IDK. I was just wondering bc I hadn't seen Jonni talk about giving a sample and she has shared so, so many details.

Sorry for the tangent.

Also, I am pro LE but everyone is human and mistakes and oversights can be made. For example, is it procedure for a car to be touched and driven (security guard and CM's dad) before the car is processed at the scene by LE? Perhaps someone will respond with, "They didn't know a crime had been committed at that time. " But in fairness to Christina, they didn't know a crime had NOT been committed at that time either. Bad syntax, but you get my point

 

[txyorkiemom]

Thanks. My device wont open your link. Does it say in the link that Jonni and/or Mark gave a sample for DNA comparison? MAybe it says so right there in the link IDK. I was just wondering bc I hadn't seen Jonni talk about giving a sample and she has shared so, so many details.

Sorry for the tangent.

Also, I am pro LE but everyone is human and mistakes and oversights can be made. For example, is it procedure for a car to be touched and driven (security guard and CM's dad) before the car is processed at the scene by LE? Perhaps someone will respond with, "They didn't know a crime had been committed at that time. " But in fairness to Christina, they didn't know a crime had NOT been committed at that time either. Bad syntax, but you get my point

All I know per the affidavit is the PPD Officer told(notified) CM's Dad to come get the car ..because the officer did NOT NOTICE any thing suspicious. ..I take it as a personal decision on the officers part..That is all..

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/PDF-Enrique-Arochi-Search-Warrant-281502151.html

According to Officer Semrau's report, he also discovered Morris's vehicle (a silver 2001 Toyota Celica) in
the parking garage connected to Henry's Tavern the first level. Officer Seinrau reported he did not
notice anything suspicious related to the vehicle and notified Morris's father, Mark Morris, who went and
picked up her vehicle.

 

[Eileen730]

Throughout all the brouhaha, forgive me for taking a moment to celebrate the joys of a misplaced apostrophe! :cheers:

Lol I'm on my phone it changes my words lol
Very funny

 

[Eileen730]

Thanks. My device wont open your link. Does it say in the link that Jonni and/or Mark gave a sample for DNA comparison? MAybe it says so right there in the link IDK. I was just wondering bc I hadn't seen Jonni talk about giving a sample and she has shared so, so many details.
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Sorry for the tangent.

Also, I am pro LE but everyone is human and mistakes and oversights can be made. For example, is it procedure for a car to be touched and driven (security guard and CM's dad) before the car is processed at the scene by LE? Perhaps someone will respond with, "They didn't know a crime had been committed at that time. " But in fairness to Christina, they didn't know a crime had NOT been committed at that time either. Bad syntax, but you get my point

I thought they got her dna from the soda can

 

[daisytrail]

I believe that EA kidnapped and killed CM but I don't really believe that it happened in the garage. I know that CM is tiny but so was I when I was in my twenties and I can promise you it would have taken longer than 3 minutes to knock me out and get me in the trunk. Little people are very feisty and I remember JMom saying one time that Christina would have fought for her life.

Since there was a text asking about "good rock" I believe EA was at least interested in scoring more drugs. I think Christina was in EA's car to look for more. I don't know how far the club where HF was but I believe that Christina at least knew he would be somewhere selling his wares. Maybe they were going there, maybe they call ALP. But I believe when Enrique found out drugs were out I think he turned to his second reason for being with CM. I think he came on to her and she said no. I believe that his injuries were a result of the fight of her life. I also don't think he was smart enough to hide her body so well it will never be found, I think the area where he dumped her just hasn't been searched yet

I know others don't believe this but it's okay to have different opinions. JMO, MOO, IMO

I lean toward believing that Christina was in the passenger seat and not in the trunk when they left the garage, and that she was willingly in the passenger seat, for a reason unknown to us. However, I hope you will forgive me if I raise the issue of times that a person might go with someone whom she did not really want to go with.

1. She was incapacitated. This could be because of a reaction to drugs, for instance. In that case, this could be a crime mostly of opportunity and not of any significant premeditation.
   
2. Through deception. Her car would not work because someone had disabled it. She was told information that was untrue to trick her into getting into EA's auto. Or maybe he lied to her about some communication with HF or someone else at the party.
   
3. She perceived she had no choice through threat or intimidation. Here what comes to mind is some sort of weapon. AFAIK, we cannot know for sure that EA did not have a weapon. This weapon would not have to be a gun, but a gun would be the fastest way to persuade someone to either get in the passenger seat or the back seat or the trunk. We can think of all sorts of ways that we would never succumb to such a threat, but unless we have ever had a gun pointed at us, we can only surmise. Other weapons of threat that come to mind are taser, acid, kniife, brass knuckles. (Some people have a great fear of being struck.)

I offer these as possibilities and am quite interested in seeing them refuted.

 

[Happyshoes]

Yup ..NO Sexual Motive at all.

If not SA, then 'bodily harm' - either one qualifies, right??

 

[Happyshoes]

Just a question or two - if someone is missing, wouldn't LE start their investigation where she was last seen or known to be? I don't know that they would have to go to her house, but just seems logical that they would - like someone stated on here - just to get extra dna (hairbrush/toothbrush). We don't know if LE did that or not, though, do we? I think LE has all their ducks lined up but you never know what could screw up a case. I can't get past that Detective Stamm said she believed EA kidnapped and murdered her. Wasn't that in an interview? I just keep remembering Jonni after that saying she was trying to process that there was enough blood found to believe Christina is no longer alive. I don't think she knew the "significant amount" up until that day. Sad all around.

 

[b.humble]

two spots “luminesced faintly

to me faintly means they dont have a lot to go on.

shouldn't it light up like a Christmas tree!

and why not come out and say what it was. not possibly saliva, or bodily fluid.



And why cant they come out and say exactly

BlueStar, the product used while being processed by CSI, will only luminesce in the presence of blood. Only blood.
IMO, the reason it didn’t “light up like a Christmas tree” is probably due to dilution from the rounds of cleaning with the “32 ounce bottle of ‘all purpose cleaner with bleach” found in EA’s trash pull. According to the BlueStar product sheet attached, it is considered the “better choice when trying to detect blood when bleach is involved. However, it is only useful in cases where there is a higher concentration of blood present.” IMO, this fact, when taken into consideration about the faintness in which the spots luminesced substantiates the claim LE made indicating there was a significant amount of CM’s “DNA” present in the trunk compartment.

The product sheet is attached for your reference and review.

http://www.bluestar-forensic.com/pdf/en/St_Louis_comparison_study.pdf

 

[Happyshoes]

I lean toward believing that Christina was in the passenger seat and not in the trunk when they left the garage, and that she was willingly in the passenger seat, for a reason unknown to us. However, I hope you will forgive me if I raise the issue of times that a person might go with someone whom she did not really want to go with.

1. She was incapacitated. This could be because of a reaction to drugs, for instance. In that case, this could be a crime mostly of opportunity and not of any significant premeditation.
   
2. Through deception. Her car would not work because someone had disabled it. She was told information that was untrue to trick her into getting into EA's auto. Or maybe he lied to her about some communication with HF or someone else at the party.
   
3. She perceived she had no choice through threat or intimidation. Here what comes to mind is some sort of weapon. AFAIK, we cannot know for sure that EA did not have a weapon. This weapon would not have to be a gun, but a gun would be the fastest way to persuade someone to either get in the passenger seat or the back seat or the trunk. We can think of all sorts of ways that we would never succumb to such a threat, but unless we have ever had a gun pointed at us, we can only surmise. Other weapons of threat that come to mind are taser, acid, kniife, brass knuckles. (Some people have a great fear of being struck.)

I offer these as possibilities and am quite interested in seeing them refuted.

I think IF she got in EA's car, it was to go get more drugs (although I have a hard time seeing her wanting to go anywhere with him). Things could have gone badly in the car, like others have said, he may have been driving when she started fighting him, he wrecks, gets into it physically with her when he stopped the car and that was the end for her. IF this scenario happened, I don't think they got close to wherever they were going or someone would know that part. JMO.

 

[daisytrail]

Just a question or two - if someone is missing, wouldn't LE start their investigation where she was last seen or known to be? I don't know that they would have to go to her house, but just seems logical that they would - like someone stated on here - just to get extra dna (hairbrush/toothbrush). We don't know if LE did that or not, though, do we? I think LE has all their ducks lined up but you never know what could screw up a case. I can't get past that Detective Stamm said she believed EA kidnapped and murdered her. Wasn't that in an interview? I just keep remembering Jonni after that saying she was trying to process that there was enough blood found to believe Christina is no longer alive. I don't think she knew the "significant amount" up until that day. Sad all around.

I was told by someone with a position of authority in NamUs (and concerning a case unrelated to this one) that a missing investigation begins with the last place a person was known to be and not with that person's legal address. Paradoxically (and again in a Texas case unrelated to this one) I was told by LE in two different jurisdictions two different things. One jurisdiction said the jurisdiction applies to the last place the person was known to be and another said it was the last known address of the missing person where jurisdiction applied.

My rather cynical conclusion was that (1) ordinary folks are often told whatever least inconveniences the police or that (2) some detectives don't know the law themselves.

Neither such conclusion left me feeling in a charitable mood concerning missing people and the eagerness of law enforcement to investigate all cases to assure themselves that missing people are actually safe.

 

[Doj1234]

Lol OK
I have a chocolate lab.
The vet said. Eileen they chew till they are 2 and she'd till they are dead.
Lol

Not a cure but treating symptoms..... Get a roomba and schedule it everyday. You would never even know that my dog sheds like crazy.

 

[Doj1234]

Ya know guys I dont even think her car was properly seized.

I could go off on how PPD has mishandled this. It's not that they don't want to solve it either.

 

[txyorkiemom]

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/stor...-kidnapping-suspect-hoping-to-get-out-of-jail

During the hearing, a Plano Police Department detective testified that Morris' DNA was found on the trunk mat in Arochi's car.
There was also a significant amount of DNA evidence on the trunk's interior rubber seal.


http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Ne...Christina-Morris-Disappearance-288713941.html
Police revealed that Morris' DNA was found on Arochi's trunk mat in his car, not just around the trunk.
They also revealed that there was more than just trace amounts of DNA in the vehicle.

A Plano police DNA expert also testified it’s possible that DNA came from blood.

The Significant Amount....is on the rubber seal per testimony.

it does not state the significant amount being quantity or quality.

FWIW.. Significant is found in WBC not RBC since RBC does not have a nuclei.

 

[cluciano63]

While I still think it is weird not to have reported her missing sooner...she is/was 23, a full-fledged adult, not a child or even a vulnerable teen. If her mother(s) did not find it that unusual for her to be out of touch for 3-4 days, why should anyone else? And HF may have his own reasons (arguments, etc.) for assuming she just took off for a few days.

My sisters and I have an agreement that if they can't make contact with me over a 24-hour period, they will call my apartment manager and then two close friends whose numbers I have given them. But that is because I am in a city with no relatives, live alone, and have a very orderly routine life.

When twenty-somethings can't be reached, and no one panics, I have to assume it is not that unusual. Jmo

 

[Doj1234]

While I still think it is weird not to have reported her missing sooner...she is/was 23, a full-fledged adult, not a child or even a vulnerable teen. If her mother(s) did not find it that unusual for her to be out of touch for 3-4 days, why should anyone else? And HF may have his own reasons (arguments, etc.) for assuming she just took off for a few days.

My sisters and I have an agreement that if they can't make contact with me over a 24-hour period, they will call my apartment manager and then two close friends whose numbers I have given them. But that is because I am in a city with no relatives, live alone, and have a very orderly routine life.

When twenty-somethings can't be reached, and no one panics, I have to assume it is not that unusual. Jmo

Totally agree. IMO the fact that she was out of touch with friends for four days doesn't raise a red flag for me. HF not being concerned isn't as easily understood. But, I'm not sure what would be expected from a drug dealing and using boyfriend who is in a fight with his girlfriend. What is meant by 'expected' is purely THAT. He's not Ward Cleaver.

 

[Sweetgrits]

I think IF she got in EA's car, it was to go get more drugs (although I have a hard time seeing her wanting to go anywhere with him). Things could have gone badly in the car, like others have said, he may have been driving when she started fighting him, he wrecks, gets into it physically with her when he stopped the car and that was the end for her. IF this scenario happened, I don't think they got close to wherever they were going or someone would know that part. JMO.

I know the party goers told police that EA was mad because he wasn't getting anywhere with SB but that never came up until they were questioned by police. If he had really been enraged enough that it would be obvious to everyone around him these friends wouldn't have let CM leave with EA. JMO even if he had been rejected what man do you know who's going to blow up about it in front of other people? I think it would be shrugged off by EA who acted like it was no big thing, hell he had a gf he could score with. I don't think they ever saw anything that would cause them to be alarmed that he was alone with CM.

I've also wondered what EA could have said or done while he was driving to cause CM to start hitting him going down the highway. Seems like a car swerving on the road could have caused other drivers to take notice. However I was just watching ID Ice Cold Killers and in this episode a high school girl went missing and they searched for 16 days before they found her body off a remote road that led to a dumping site for trash. The reason this resonated with me is that the young girl willingly got into his car because he was the boyfriend of the girl's boyfriends mother. (Is that clear as mud?). But instead of taking her home he drove down the remote road and when she realized what his real intent was started fighting for her life then she jumped out of the car and ran but he caught up to her and shot her 4 times.

If this happened with Christina it makes more sense to me. JMO but what about a theory that instead of going wherever that night EA drove down an old road and when CM realized he wanted more that she was willing to give she started fighting him off (thus the injuries to EA's right side). Then she jumped out of the car and tried to get away. I think EA caught up to her and killed her. I think it was at this point that Enrique put her body IN HIS TRUNK. My theory is that she died by strangulation because of the absence of large amounts of blood. The significant amount of DNA in the trunk could be enough blood to call it "not touch DNA" but not enough to conclude she was definitely dead because of blood loss.

Now I don't think everyone will agree with this but it does answer a lot of the questions I still had. Of course, JMO

 

[Eileen730]

She was gone for 4 days.

 

[Helen_Ready]

Thanks. My device wont open your link. Does it say in the link that Jonni and/or Mark gave a sample for DNA comparison? MAybe it says so right there in the link IDK. I was just wondering bc I hadn't seen Jonni talk about giving a sample and she has shared so, so many details.

Sorry for the tangent.

Also, I am pro LE but everyone is human and mistakes and oversights can be made. For example, is it procedure for a car to be touched and driven (security guard and CM's dad) before the car is processed at the scene by LE? Perhaps someone will respond with, "They didn't know a crime had been committed at that time. " But in fairness to Christina, they didn't know a crime had NOT been committed at that time either. Bad syntax, but you get my point

I think it's interesting to read your opposing views and analysis or critiques of the way the case is being handled. Could you share your thoughts on who you think took Christina that goes along with the evidence that is available to the public.
Id be very open to your thoughts.

 

[zippixx]

Thanks. My device wont open your link. Does it say in the link that Jonni and/or Mark gave a sample for DNA comparison? MAybe it says so right there in the link IDK. I was just wondering bc I hadn't seen Jonni talk about giving a sample and she has shared so, so many details.

Sorry for the tangent.

Also, I am pro LE but everyone is human and mistakes and oversights can be made. For example, is it procedure for a car to be touched and driven (security guard and CM's dad) before the car is processed at the scene by LE? Perhaps someone will respond with, "They didn't know a crime had been committed at that time. " But in fairness to Christina, they didn't know a crime had NOT been committed at that time either. Bad syntax, but you get my point

The link you could not open is from the arrest warrant. I copied & pasted below:

On September 4, 2014, Christina Morris? Toyota Celica vehicle was processed by
Criminalist M. Boubel. Affient reviewed the report completed by Criminalist Boubel related to
her processing of Morris? vehicle. Criminalist Boubel's report indicated she collected a Dr.
Pepper soda can from the vehicle. On September 19, 2014, a swab from a Dr. Pepper can
collected from the vehicle was submitted to the University of North Texas Center for Human
identification so that a DNA profile for Christina Morris could be developed for comparison to
other items of evidence collected in this case. Affient reviewed a letter from the UNT Health
Science Center which confirmed that a STR profile was developed from the sample submitted
and DNA profile analysis of Morris' parents. UNT provided the Department with a copy of the
STR Data Table which contained the developed DNA profits for Christina Morris.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1384021-morris-docs-121914.html#document/p5

 

[frisson]

The link you could not open is from the arrest warrant. I copied & pasted below:

On September 4, 2014, Christina Morris? Toyota Celica vehicle was processed by
Criminalist M. Boubel. Affient reviewed the report completed by Criminalist Boubel related to
her processing of Morris? vehicle. Criminalist Boubel's report indicated she collected a Dr.
Pepper soda can from the vehicle. On September 19, 2014, a swab from a Dr. Pepper can
collected from the vehicle was submitted to the University of North Texas Center for Human
identification so that a DNA profile for Christina Morris could be developed for comparison to
other items of evidence collected in this case. Affient reviewed a letter from the UNT Health
Science Center which confirmed that a STR profile was developed from the sample submitted
and DNA profile analysis of Morris' parents. UNT provided the Department with a copy of the
STR Data Table which contained the developed DNA profits for Christina Morris.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1384021-morris-docs-121914.html#document/p5

Thanks so much for not only the link with the info I was curious about, but also for the kind response, Zippi. I appreciate it. Thank you!