GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #36 *Arrest*

[ahintexas]

O/T - body found in Lake Ray Hubbard about 1.5-2 hours ago.

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I was driving down 30, and LE & the crime scene van was pulling up.

 

[jennapuppy]

I understand and appreciate the thinking in both of these, but tend to agree with DOJ here.

IMO it's easy to assume what others "should have" done, now that we have the benefit of hindsight and without thinking as to whether it's really how we live out own lives.

For example, other than who lives under the same roof, there is no one in the world I talk with every day or two without fail. So when we assume those around CM should have raised the alarm sooner, imo that's not real life. In some ways, because she wasn't living alone, and they weren't in her daily life, I expect almost every one of them mentally deferred to the judgment and feedback of those who were.

In fact, we see that it played out just like that. Her mom talked to her every day or two, and did start getting worried and asking questions (on Monday?). And her boss, the second work day she was absent without a call (Tuesday), began to make calls.

The obvious exception is of course HF, because he was living under the same roof. Being in the same house, he's the only one imo whose (non-)actions offer an automatic cause for concern to the point of needing an explanation. The fact that they had a spat where he was ignoring her can't be overlooked.

Unlike some, I assume that (without letting it be known) LE crawled up HFs rear with a microscope to check out his actions at the time and see if his explanation was "normal" for how they lived their lives. We see after the fact that LE was incredibly thorough in looking at EA, and we didn't hear about 99% of what they did there until they told us some of it in affidavits and hearing. I suspect they were just as thorough with HF, but simply didn't tell us or him about any of it to keep from alerting anyone as they look. They're not stupid.

I think the fact that HF is a drug addict may factor in here as well. Addicts notoriously lose all track of time while binging, staying up for days at a time, and the crash that follows can lead to sleeping for 24 hours or more. It's quite possible that he was just starting to come out of his drug-induced fog around the time that CM was reported missing.
MOO

 

[Happyshoes]

Not a cure but treating symptoms..... Get a roomba and schedule it everyday. You would never even know that my dog sheds like crazy.

O/T but I LOVE my Roomba!

 

[Eileen730]

I lean toward believing that Christina was in the passenger seat and not in the trunk when they left the garage, and that she was willingly in the passenger seat, for a reason unknown to us. However, I hope you will forgive me if I raise the issue of times that a person might go with someone whom she did not really want to go with.

1. She was incapacitated. This could be because of a reaction to drugs, for instance. In that case, this could be a crime mostly of opportunity and not of any significant premeditation.
   
2. Through deception. Her car would not work because someone had disabled it. She was told information that was untrue to trick her into getting into EA's auto. Or maybe he lied to her about some communication with HF or someone else at the party.
   
3. She perceived she had no choice through threat or intimidation. Here what comes to mind is some sort of weapon. AFAIK, we cannot know for sure that EA did not have a weapon. This weapon would not have to be a gun, but a gun would be the fastest way to persuade someone to either get in the passenger seat or the back seat or the trunk. We can think of all sorts of ways that we would never succumb to such a threat, but unless we have ever had a gun pointed at us, we can only surmise. Other weapons of threat that come to mind are taser, acid, kniife, brass knuckles. (Some people have a great fear of being struck.)

I offer these as possibilities and am quite interested in seeing them refuted.

Im not so sure she was in that car at all when he left.

could she have been put in the car when he went back to the area later on?

 

[georgiasblu]

O/T - body found in Lake Ray Hubbard about 1.5-2 hours ago.

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I was driving down 30, and LE & the crime scene van was pulling up.

Is that the lake they began to search but called it off?

 

[ahintexas]

Is that the lake they began to search but called it off?

No, that was Lake Lavon.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

No, that was Lake Lavon.

But Lake Ray Hubbard is not that far from Wylie. With the weather here lately, I can't imagine many people out boating or fishing so....

 

[daisytrail]

Color me confused.

I went to the Terms of Service and realized that I may have been using the words Terms of Service incorrectly. Yes, I did read them, both the short and long versions.

Then I scratched my head over the term sleuthable. I think it means that some people can be considered a possible suspect and some cannot. Recently I had a bit of a problem with the word speculate when I suggested (not in this thread) that speculation is not evidence. I do know that victim blaming is not allowed. I hope that I would never do that! As to criticism, are we allowed to criticize the behavior of people connected with the case who are not suspects and are not family members of victims?

(I do know that we are not supposed to talk about each other.)

When I come to this thread sometimes, my head just spins.

I suppose I am not good at finding information sometimes. I read all the stuff that is officially TOS. I did.

I am still confused. Please, is there a glossary that would help me understand better?

Also, would some please tell me how the acronym BBM is being used here at WS. I went on line and got things like Brains By Mattel and a long list of other possibilities.

Help! :blushing: lease: :scared:

 

[ahintexas]

But Lake Ray Hubbard is not that far from Wylie. With the weather here lately, I can't imagine many people out boating or fishing so....

You're correct, Hubbard is close to Wylie. Like, 12 miles. And about 27 miles from Allen.

I live in the area, and there haven't been many boats out on the water in the last month. The 5:00 news said a body had washed up on the rocks.

 

[SteveS]

O/T - body found in Lake Ray Hubbard about 1.5-2 hours ago.

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I was driving down 30, and LE & the crime scene van was pulling up.

The report says it was in the Harbor area, which is the most used lakefront commercial district. The location would hint that someone fell in very recently, after dining or walking in the area.

Although, there is always a (much much smaller) chance a body went into the water somewhere out in the lake after which it washed up on shore and it was that shore, not another. But it's so unlikely anyone was out on the water in the last few weeks.

My belief is that EA would have been unlikely to be able to leave CM in a lake (ie, dumped overboard out in the middle somewhere) because of the obstacle of getting out to the middle of the lake. Takes a boat. If not his (which I don't think they have one), others would have had to be involved, and at least known he went out alone in their boat on that weekend.

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo HF had the least reason to be overly concerned when Christina did not show up, if they had been fighting and if maybe she had dropped out of sight before to cool off or think things over. Who knows what their relationship was really like by that point. Maybe he figured since he never replied to her after a certain point that night, that she had grown more angry with him and blew him off. We don't know for sure (do we?) whether or not he got the numerous later texts, or if he did lose his phone, etc...

I thought her family would be the ones to panic by Sunday or so, not hearing back from her, but jmo. Or a friend from the party.

 

[daisytrail]

Im not so sure she was in that car at all when he left.

could she have been put in the car when he went back to the area later on?

But there is no evidence that he actually returned to the garage itself, is there? If he was seen driving out, wouldn't he be seen driving back in?

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Color me confused.

I went to the Terms of Service and realized that I may have been using the words Terms of Service incorrectly. Yes, I did read them, both the short and long versions.

Then I scratched my head over the term sleuthable. I think it means that some people can be considered a possible suspect and some cannot. Recently I had a bit of a problem with the word speculate when I suggested (not in this thread) that speculation is not evidence. I do know that victim blaming is not allowed. I hope that I would never do that! As to criticism, are we allowed to criticize the behavior of people connected with the case who are not suspects and are not family members of victims?

(I do know that we are not supposed to talk about each other.)

When I come to this thread sometimes, my head just spins.

I suppose I am not good at finding information sometimes. I read all the stuff that is officially TOS. I did.

I am still confused. Please, is there a glossary that would help me understand better?

Also, would some please tell me how the acronym BBM is being used here at WS. I went on line and got things like Brains By Mattel and a long list of other possibilities.

Help! :blushing: lease: :scared:

BBM means bolded by me. When someone quotes a post and bolds a specific part for emphasis.

Regarding who is sleuthable, IMO everyone is sleuthable but we can only discuss officially named POIs and suspects.

I believe we are allowed to discuss HF because of the drugs, but not in relation to being responsible for Christina's disappearance.

 

[ahintexas]

The report says it was in the Harbor area, which is the most used lakefront commercial district. The location would hint that someone fell in very recently, after dining or walking in the area.

Although, there is always a (much much smaller) chance a body went into the water somewhere out in the lake after which it washed up on shore and it was that shore, not another. But it's so unlikely anyone was out on the water in the last few weeks.

My belief is that EA would have been unlikely to be able to leave CM in a lake (ie, dumped overboard out in the middle somewhere) because of the obstacle of getting out to the middle of the lake. Takes a boat. If not his (which I don't think they have one), others would have had to be involved, and at least known he went out alone in their boat on that weekend.

Where the body washed up (on a set of rocks, near the interstate) was about 2 miles from the Harbor. And as a local, the Harbor is a ghost town. Not a lot of traffic. Someone either jumped from the bridge, or have been there for a while, and just washed up.

 

[zippixx]

Where the body washed up was about 2 miles from the Harbor. And as s local, the Harbor is a ghost town.

Sadly, at this point I don't think CM would even be referred to as a "body".. More likely it would be "remains"..

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Sadly, at this point I don't think CM would even be referred to as a "body".. More likely it would be "remains"..

This makes me wonder though. Wouldn't the water kind of preserve a body more than being left in woods or outdoors? I'll have to check that out.

 

[ahintexas]

This makes me wonder though. Wouldn't the water kind of preserve a body more than being left in woods or outdoors? I'll have to check that out.

I've always thought the same thing.

 

[SteveS]

Where the body washed up (on a set of rocks, near the interstate) was about 2 miles from the Harbor. And as a local, the Harbor is a ghost town. Not a lot of traffic. Someone either jumped from the bridge, or have been there for a while, and just washed up.

1 I know the area super well. Go past the Harbor regularly and have eaten there many times (last time a few weeks ago).
2 I-30 is not 2 miles from the Harbor complex (I only make a point of this, for the benefit of those who don't know the area.) In essence, the Harbor complex is almost exactly at the intersection of "lake" and "I-30." (Out of curiosity, I looked at google maps, and it looks like a swim of only about 500-750 feet from I-30 to the Harbor).
3 Yep the Harbor is kinda deserted this time of year, and even more so with the weather right now.
4 Your guesses as to the source of the body are certainly feasible, maybe as likely as anything else. I'm sure we'll have more info soon.

 

[ahintexas]

1 I know the area super well. Go past the Harbor regularly and have eaten there many times (last time a few weeks ago).
2 I-30 is not 2 miles from the Harbor complex (I only make a point of this, for the benefit of those who don't know the area.) In essence, the Harbor complex is almost exactly at the intersection of "lake" and "I-30." (Out of curiosity, I looked at google maps, and it looks like a swim of only about 500-750 feet from I-30 to the Harbor).
3 Yep the Harbor is kinda deserted this time of year, and even more so with the weather right now.
4 Your guesses as to the source of the body are certainly feasible, maybe as likely as anything else. I'm sure we'll have more info soon.

Ok, let me be more clear. The news may of said the "harbor area", but where the DFD dive team boat was located near the rocks, was about 2 miles from the Harbor. I drove right by as the police were blocking the right lane. I don't need schooled on the Harbor, I've lived in the Rock my entire 38 years of life. Thanks, though.

 

[daisytrail]

BBM means bolded by me. When someone quotes a post and bolds a specific part for emphasis.

Regarding who is sleuthable, IMO everyone is sleuthable but we can only discuss officially named POIs and suspects.

I believe we are allowed to discuss HF because of the drugs, but not in relation to being responsible for Christina's disappearance.

BBM! And thank you!

I do love to learn new things. So I am assuming that the sleuthable people are only people officially named by LE.

Now as to what I bolded in your reply to me. I think we can all agree that HF is/was not any mother's dream of a boyfriend for her daughter. When a daughter is an adult, you have sometimes bite your tongue and put up with what she chooses. (And roll your eyes in private!)

There is so much speculation about HF. I think it is entirely possible that Christina's family had no idea what sort of guy he really is. You see, I am assuming that I can outright criticize him although I cannot sleuth him. The most obvious reason that he did not report her missing probably isn't even that they were fighting. As to their personal comings and goings as a couple, who knows what sort of arrangement that they had. Each couple negotiates their own it would be rather foolish to assume that my standards of what constitutes a proper relationship or that anyone else's standards would necessarily apply to them.

To me, the most obvious reason he did not report her missing is drugs. I am not launching some sort of conspiracy theory here and claiming that he and EA were in cahoots. What I am saying is simply that he was selling (probably) and using at the time. When folks say a party is over does not necessarily mean it is really over. The venue may merely be moved.

I base my belief on actually having been in a house where I believe people were using meth. It was not a pleasant experience. They do not eat (much), they do not sleep much and sometimes not at all, and this can go on a l-o-o-o-ng time. They are temperamental and callous and careless and move like the energizer bunny.

If we judge people who are using by reasonable people standards, we will just never understand. The assumption is that they should behave responsibly when, in fact, they not only won't behave responsibly; they can't. The drug is essentially making most of their decisions for them.

I know it is awful to say, but he may not have much noticed that she was not around. More brutally, for all we know, he did not much care.

ETA: I am not assuming he did not care later.