GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #38 *Arrest*

[daisytrail]

I think that was me, and since then I've wondered if it's possible for the DP to be "exchanged" for telling where Christina is. I don't know if the TX system allows for this but sadly I think you are right that he's not going to say anything anytime soon.

At the moment I think a lucky break for the searchers is the only way that Jonni and the family are going to get any peace.

JMO

I have always thought that he would not voluntarily tell. He has nothing to lose right now by doubling down on his claims of innocence. That does not keep me from hoping. I have had the blues a bit today thinking about the sort of impasse here. I have also hoped in my discussions that I have not come across as too decisive. There comes a point when speculating becomes burdensome and frustrating if no answers are forthcoming.

I know the sleuthing can be exciting, but most of all I wish for some closure (although that to would brutal likely) for Christina's poor family, who will have to suffer a long wait to an actual trial. Most people have no idea the extent to which moving forward can just stop and despair set in and be overwhelming.

I find myself being furious with EA, thinking he is nothing but a monster. Today, I believe in monsters.

 

[zippixx]

I have always thought that he would not voluntarily tell. He has nothing to lose right now by doubling down on his claims of innocence. That does not keep me from hoping. I have had the blues a bit today think at the sort of impasse here. I have also hoped in my discussions that I have not come across as too decisive. There comes a point when speculating becomes burdensome and frustrating if no answers are forthcoming.

I know the sleuthing can be exciting, but most of all I wish for some closure (although that to would brutal likely) for Christina's poor family, who will have to suffer a long wait to an actual trial. Most people have no idea the extent to which moving forward can just stop and despair set in and be overwhelming.

I find myself being furious with EA, thinking he is nothing but a monster. Today, I believe in monsters.

EA, himself mentions "monster" in the uncut interview. I haven't watched it lately, but he says something like "People think of me as some kind of monster"... yep!

http://cw33.com/2014/11/20/web-extra-enrique-arochi-full-interview-uncut/

 

[SteveS]

The SA charge is not connected to Christina Morris. EA was charged with AK in the disappearance of CM.

To be clear, there are MULTIPLE sexual assault related items regarding EA. One is an indictment for that crime against a 16-year-old girl, not against CM, and is for multiple counts.

But there is also, in the kidnapping charge indictment handed down by the grand jury, a sexual assault component mentioned in relation to that crime.

According to the grand jury, in the kidnapping indictment itself, Arochi "intentionally or knowingly abducted Christina Morris by restricting the movements of said Christina Morris without her consent so as to interfere substantially with her liberty, by moving her from one place to another or confining her, with the intent to prevent her liberation, by secreting or holding her in a place where she was not likely to be found" and that in so doing, he acted "with the intent to violate or abuse sexually Christina Morris," and "terrorize Christina Morris."

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Let me just say this - it is a fact that a text inquiring about "good rock" exists. It was sent at the time we know CM was walking with EA. These two elements within the time period of this case are facts.

How is it that the theory of a drug purchase is ignored or dismissed while the idea that EA probably 'roofied' CM (absolutely no evidence has been presented to support this theory) seems the more likely scenario when it comes to explaining the case?

 

[SteveS]

I keep hitting on and then dismissing a very valid point that someone mentioned upthread. Arochi is not going to tell where Christina is unless and until he is charged with capital murder. To do so would be admitting to a crime he is not charged with as yet, and even a crappy defense Atty. would not allow him to do that.

You may be right, but it's not as absolute as that. A plea deal on the AK case - with the revelation of the location of CM, of course - would undoubtedly include disposal of any potential/theoretical future murder charges, as part of that deal. And it's not like the willingness to bargain on such a deal would point LE to look for a crime they don't already believe happened.

I actually believe that it would be the smart move for EAs defense to try to get LE to bargain away the murder case, rather than take their lumps on the AK and then risk what might happen if she is ever found.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The problem is, once we stop posting, the thread ends up buried and sometimes a case appears to be forgotten.
Unless something happens soon, it will happen to CM's case too.

 

[zippixx]

Let me just say this - it is a fact that a text inquiring about "good rock" exists. It was sent at the time we know CM was walking with EA. These two elements within the time period of this case are facts.

How is it that the theory of a drug purchase is ignored or dismissed while the idea that EA probably 'roofied' CM (absolutely no evidence has been presented to support this theory) seems the more likely scenario when it comes to explaining the case?

While the rock text does exist, there is nothing that says it has anything to do with the actual crime (even though it might). The theory that is being tossed around, about "roofied", would have a direct relation to EA's assault on CM.. jmo (also, WS is the first time I have EVER heard the term "roofied"... lol I had to google it)

 

[Bootsctr]

Let me just say this - it is a fact that a text inquiring about "good rock" exists. It was sent at the time we know CM was walking with EA. These two elements within the time period of this case are facts.

How is it that the theory of a drug purchase is ignored or dismissed while the idea that EA probably 'roofied' CM (absolutely no evidence has been presented to support this theory) seems the more likely scenario when it comes to explaining the case?

:seeya: Also, as a good poster pointed out earlier, CM may have had some cash on her person. I don't see SA as being the only motive. Also, if CM was trying to get back in the good graces of her BF she may have had the goods on her person. I don't find the "roofie" scenario plausible. CM would know the difference between an Adderall and a roofie. Maybe CM had her own Rx for Adderall? Yet, again, why Adderall if you can get your hands on some cocaine?

 

[zippixx]

:seeya: Also, as a good poster pointed out earlier, CM may have had some cash on her person. I don't see SA as being the only motive. Also, if CM was trying to get back in the good graces of her BF she may have had the goods on her person. I don't find the "roofie" scenario plausible. CM would know the difference between an Adderall and a roofie. Maybe CM had her own Rx for Adderall? Yet, again, why Adderall if you can get your hands on some cocaine?

I'm indifferent about the "roofie" scenario.. maybe yes, maybe no. However I see it more likely than a "cash" motive. EA lived at home, had a job, seemed to have the "hip" clothes & drove a Camaro.. I think he was a spoiled brat. Sex as a motive? Absolutely possible (& probable imo)... Drugs? meh.. probably not worth killing over.. Cash? I seriously doubt it.. All JMO!

 

[SteveS]

While the rock text does exist, there is nothing that says it has anything to do with the actual crime (even though it might). The theory that is being tossed around, about "roofied", would have a direct relation to EA's assault on CM.. jmo (also, WS is the first time I have EVER heard the term "roofied"... lol I had to google it)

Good point that the sexual assault aspect was clearly part of both the affidavits and the indictment, whereas the text about the "good rock" was mentioned in neither. That gives us an indication of what the evidence points to, even if we haven't seen all of it.

According to the grand jury, EA acted "with the intent to violate or abuse sexually Christina Morris," and "terrorize Christina Morris."

To me, the "opportunity" aspect also is important in evaluating the relative likelihood of the various speculation here. Use of a date-rape drug or rape kit only requires that EA pull something out of his pocket or car, and he was known to be there. Whereas, if we want to somehow work the good rock into the mix, we'd have to somehow add more people to the location of CM after 3:55, but we don't have any evidence of anyone else being where she was except EA and perhaps his brother.

 

[Bootsctr]

For a spoiled brat, he seems to be able to handle jail pretty well. I would figure, most pretty boy/mama boys would break down in 5 minutes in a county jail. Not exactly the most hospitable place to be a resident of....

Of course, I never thought CA would last that long in jail, nor Scott Peterson (who happens to be looking quite tanned and living quite the cushy existence in San Quentin).

The Camaro was a 2010 model, not a brand spanking new 2014 car. Maybe he had saved a while to purchase the Camaro... Wonder what he drove prior to the Camaro? Maybe he did buy the Camaro new?

 

[daisytrail]

Let me just say this - it is a fact that a text inquiring about "good rock" exists. It was sent at the time we know CM was walking with EA. These two elements within the time period of this case are facts.

How is it that the theory of a drug purchase is ignored or dismissed while the idea that EA probably 'roofied' CM (absolutely no evidence has been presented to support this theory) seems the more likely scenario when it comes to explaining the case?

The rules allow speculation about drugs within the TOS. I don't think anyone said "probably" about her being drugged specifically for the purposes of sex to my memory. In fact, I think it is also quite possible (not necessarily probable) that she was vulnerable because of drugs that she had already taken. Since the "good rock" text was sent after she left the party and when she was with EA, it would be difficult to tie anyone else to EA's (specifically) actions. She might have angered her bf, but there has been no real doubt cast upon his claims of where he was. Wouldn't we have to assume she was still alive when EA showed up for work or that he had hastily delivered her to someone? Do you feel that EA acted as a hit man? I know you are frustrated Woe, but I am not sure where you are wanting to go with this rather than a general idea that drugs were involved. I think that there is really little doubt that drugs were a problem.

 

[Bootsctr]

That's their story and they're sticking to it. They do have more than the 6 second surveillance video footage to prove intent somewhere in CM's case file. I'm sure they would like to have CM's body though.

 

[zippixx]

For a spoiled brat, he seems to be able to handle jail pretty well. I would figure, most pretty boy/mama boys would break down in 5 minutes in a county jail. Not exactly the most hospitable place to be a resident of....

Of course, I never thought CA would last that long in jail, nor Scott Peterson (who happens to be looking quite tanned and living quite the cushy existence in San Quentin).

The Camaro was a 2010 model, not a brand spanking new 2014 car. Maybe he had saved a while to purchase the Camaro... Wonder what he drove prior to the Camaro? Maybe he did buy the Camaro new?

Respectfully, we have no idea how he is "handling" jail, because I am assuming none of us are there with him (not being snarky).. He doesn't have much choice, but to "handle" it.. For all we know he is crying like a big baby (which is what we heard, when he first got arrested, from a poster with relations to Collin County Detention Center & his mugshot seems to confirm that, IMO)..

 

[daisytrail]

:seeya: Also, as a good poster pointed out earlier, CM may have had some cash on her person. I don't see SA as being the only motive. Also, if CM was trying to get back in the good graces of her BF she may have had the goods on her person. I don't find the "roofie" scenario plausible. CM would know the difference between an Adderall and a roofie. Maybe CM had her own Rx for Adderall? Yet, again, why Adderall if you can get your hands on some cocaine?

BBM

Adderall and cocaine do really different things. You are certainly right about that. However, if crack was readily available, why the text?

 

[daisytrail]

He is certainly sleuthable. For instance, I would like to know exactly where he lived before he came to Allen? What jobs did he hold before the Sprint job, and the pizza place? For instance, did he hold a job as a teenager? Many teens work with their parents if there is a family business. Did he just do nothing with his summers? Where did he vacation? Hang out? He is sleuthable. Isn't what he did all of his life then relevant. Did he attend community college?

ETA: If you all can remember what thread this info might be in, let me know please.

 

[Bootsctr]

BBM

Adderall and cocaine do really different things. You are certainly right about that. However, if crack was readily available, why the text?

Oh! I thought they both had the same effect on you - crack being man-made and cocaine being plant-derived -

"Short-term Effects

The immediate effects of both drugs can include irritability, anxiety; increased body temperature, heart rate, blood pressure, and possible death. Short-term effects can also include increased activity, respiration, wakefulness, and decreased appetite. Both contribute to transmission of HIV/AIDS through intravenous injection and high-risk sexual behaviors in “sex-for-crack” exchanges.
•Larger (toxic) amounts of meth or cocaine can lead to bazaar / paranoid behavior, wild rages and possible hallucinations. Over-dosing can cause severe convulsions followed by cardiovascular and respiratory collapse, coma and death."

Common nicknames for methamphetamine include “meth”, “ice”, “crystal”, “tina”, “p”, “glass”, or “speed”, but this term is usually used for regular amphetamine or dextroamphetamine.

http://oade.nd.edu/educate-yourself-drugs/methamphetamine-and-cocaine/

So, they had crack at the party? I missed that. So why would anyone feel the need to text for some good rock? I don't know. This is a very strange and bizarre case.

 

[daisytrail]

Oh! I thought they both had the same effect on you - crack being man-made and cocaine being plant-derived -

"Short-term Effects

The immediate effects of both drugs can include irritability, anxiety; increased body temperature, heart rate, blood pressure, and possible death. Short-term effects can also include increased activity, respiration, wakefulness, and decreased appetite. Both contribute to transmission of HIV/AIDS through intravenous injection and high-risk sexual behaviors in “sex-for-crack” exchanges.
•Larger (toxic) amounts of meth or cocaine can lead to bazaar / paranoid behavior, wild rages and possible hallucinations. Over-dosing can cause severe convulsions followed by cardiovascular and respiratory collapse, coma and death."

Common nicknames for methamphetamine include “meth”, “ice”, “crystal”, “tina”, “p”, “glass”, or “speed”, but this term is usually used for regular amphetamine or dextroamphetamine.

http://oade.nd.edu/educate-yourself-drugs/methamphetamine-and-cocaine/

So, they had crack at the party? I missed that. So why would anyone feel the need to text for some good rock? I don't know. This is a very strange and bizarre case.

Adderall isn't meth. It is legal for the treatment of ADHD. There are similar side effects, but if Adderall was as addictive as meth, there would be more warnings. This is not to say that they don't share some of the same side effects or that there are not doctors who prescribe dosages that are way too high. Almost any drug can be abused. I took Adderall for ADD for over a year. However, although 20mg of AdderallXR made it harder to sleep, it was hardly going to keep me up for three days.

ETA: It is commonly abused as a study drug and does not come cheap. Student with prescriptions for Adderall have been known to make a bit of money selling individual Adderall. Also, Adderall is not cheap. More on Adderall and in addition, Ritalin. http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/snorting-adderall-and-ritalin

 

[Bootsctr]

Adderall isn't meth. It is legal for the treatment of ADHD. There are similar side effects, but if Adderall was as addictive as meth, there would be more warnings. This is not to say that they don't share some of the same side effects or that there are not doctors who prescribe dosages that are way too high. Almost any drug can be abused. I took Adderall for ADD for over a year. However, although 20mg of AdderallXR made it harder to sleep, it was hardly going to keep me up for three days.

ETA: It is commonly abused as a study drug and does not come cheap. Student with prescriptions for Adderall have been known to make a bit of money selling individual Adderall. Also, Adderall is not cheap.

Yes, I know a couple of young men who have taken Adderall. They like the side effects. I agree not as addictive as meth/crack-cocaine though. Ritalin was very popular as an ADHD drug too. Crush and snort it. Cram for final exams.

No, I can't see Adderall keeping you up for 3 days. What about some crack with a boost of Adderall? That might help someone make it through the work day the following day if they had stayed up and partied until 4 a.m., yes?

 

[Bootsctr]

Were CM and EA the only ones of the group that had to work on Saturday? Bummer!