GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #38 *Arrest*

[leep]

EA's car was included on a poster?
If so, I missed it or just don't recall.

I think it was on one that catpatrol made but I may be wrong.

 

[heather.scissorhands]

I find the "good rock" text quite intriguing... I seem to be alone :desert:

What kind of response would the "good rock" text elicit from HF? As far as we know, he ignored that text along with the 15 other texts.

At what point was PPD aware that HF and CM were arguing? Do they even care? I don't think so.

At what point did PPD become aware that boyfriend and 14 other people were being watched at Eternal Eden for selling bad mollies that had killed at least 3 teens that we are aware of? :dunno: I don't think they care. Separate investigation that muddies the water of their investigation.

Why did it take 30 days to find CM's camera that was listed on the missing poster at her home? The posters that HF himself took and posted along the way to Oklahoma. Did he fail to read the poster and miss that the camera was on the list?? Ditto for the phone cover.... Ditto for the clothing...

When did HF even go back to their home to care for the dogs? Who else was living at the house?

At this point, none of that even matters because LE is satisfied that they have their man and the family is happy and positive the guilty party is in jail, so why rock the boat by digging any deeper when most assuredly we are to believe he will be convicted and a guilty verdict is as good as signed, sealed and delivered.

"•The last record of Morris’ phone being used was at 3:45 a.m. on Aug. 30. There had been several calls and texts earlier in the evening/morning to Foster, Petrosky, Nickerson and Logan Prendergast, her ex-boyfriend.
•Morris was supposed to contact Nickerson when she safely made it to her car. When Nickerson tried to follow up with her several minutes after their 3:43 a.m. phone conversation, he noticed the messages were no longer blue, indicating either her phone was off or she was no longer on iChat."

http://www.fox4news.com/story/27856631/christina-morris-kidnapping-suspect-hoping-to-get-out-of-jail

These facts bother me.

Moving on to Robert Durst.... Justice for Kathleen McCormack, Susan Berman and Morris Black.

You are definitely not alone in your thoughts or concerns.

 

[heather.scissorhands]

I've been combing through the Media Thread.
Some of the articles are updated making it difficult to pinpoint the specific date an event took place.
Anyhoo, here's a review of some early search information during the first week (not including Saturday-Tuesday, because CM wasn't reported missing until 11:30 p.m. on Tuesday, Sept. 2).

1. Sgt. John Britton of Plano LE said a police led search took place. The people were divided into three groups.
A large field near Legacy Drive and Parkwood Boulevard by an office building was searched.
And, "anywhere someone could pull off the road".
He lists items to be on the lookout for - the list includes a Canon Camera.

2. "Plano PD is also working with North Texas Transit Authority (NTTA) to get license plate numbers on vehicles that may have used the Tollway around the time Morris was last seen."

3. The search on Thursday (I think they mean Sept. 4), covered the field on the east and west sides of
the Dallas North Tollway.
"Tilley said his department is confident that general area has been cleared very thoroughly."

4. On Sunday (Sept. 7) morning, volunteers met at Pier 121 at Lewisville Lake and
then moved on to an area near Allen High School.

5. Monday (Sept. 8) TES began preparing to search by becoming familiar with the area.
LE informs TES about areas that were already searched.
I think the volunteers are still conducting searches around areas near Allen High School.

6. Tuesday (Sept. 9) TES began searching.
News this day includes Jonni's remarks to media about HF's cooperation and that
he and his father drove up to Choctaw Casino in Durant, Okla.,
to distribute flyers at truck stops and other locations along the way.
As far as I can tell, the flyers did not include details about EA's Camaro.

Also on Sept. 9, foot searches continued around the wooded areas near SAL.
These wooded areas are difficult to search so maybe TES helped to search there.

7. Jumping ahead, more than two months later, to Media Thread post #19 dated November 19, 2014.
Detectives were on foot searching in Allen in a wooded area
west of U.S. Highway 75 between W. Bethany Drive and Chase Oaks.

What might this information lead us to believe?
My take on it is, by November, LE suspected EA may have pulled over and left Christina in the elements
prior to arriving home.
(So, prior to 5:32 a.m., the time EA's phone pinged from the tower on E. Bethany Drive.)

BBM. I think this could very well be the case. I've often wondered if he left her for dead. EA almost seems like too much of a p*ssy to actually kill someone. If he did leave her somewhere half alive, that would be a loophole in his mind to convince himself he didn't kill her. And he definitely seems too lazy to dig a grave or go to great lengths to hide her. I think his "luck" in hiding her, if he did it alone, is the randomness of where he put her. It probably didn't matter to him. Ugh.

 

[Lolly85x]

Reading over the recent posts it's made me think will the police have checked for other cars registering around the same time in either directions, would they have been contacted and asked if they remeber the car or anything suspicious?

 

[b.humble]

Reading over the recent posts it's made me think will the police have checked for other cars registering around the same time in either directions, would they have been contacted and asked if they remeber the car or anything suspicious?

Maybe? I don't know how that works though, legally. IIRC, EA provided LE with his toll tag records during one of the (multiple) interviews, which is how they were able to verify he travelled on 121. This indicates, to me, that had he refused, LE would've had to issue a search warrant to NTTA in order to obtain it.
Now, I don't know enough about search warrants to know if a warrant would be approved in the event of LE wanting a blanket master list of license plates captured while commuting on a toll road at the same time as a person of interest, but I may be completely wrong about that.
Does anyone know the answer to this? SteveS?

 

[SteveS]

Reading over the recent posts it's made me think will the police have checked for other cars registering around the same time in either directions, would they have been contacted and asked if they remember the car or anything suspicious?

Probably. At the time, they were looking for evidence to prove CM was in EA's car. They've since found a ton of proof from other sources, not only of her being in his car but also of her being abducted and IN HIS TRUNK.

 

[Lolly85x]

https://mobile.twitter.com/BF_StarNews/status/580824954582757376

First court appearance Friday.

 

[Lolly85x]

Maybe? I don't know how that works though, legally. IIRC, EA provided LE with his toll tag records during one of the (multiple) interviews, which is how they were able to verify he travelled on 121. This indicates, to me, that had he refused, LE would've had to issue a search warrant to NTTA in order to obtain it.
Now, I don't know enough about search warrants to know if a warrant would be approved in the event of LE wanting a blanket master list of license plates captured while commuting on a toll road at the same time as a person of interest, but I may be completely wrong about that.
Does anyone know the answer to this? SteveS?

Thanks! I wondered if they would have to get a warrant etc to gain access to the toll records.

 

[daisytrail]

BBM. I think this could very well be the case. I've often wondered if he left her for dead. EA almost seems like too much of a p*ssy to actually kill someone. If he did leave her somewhere half alive, that would be a loophole in his mind to convince himself he didn't kill her. And he definitely seems too lazy to dig a grave or go to great lengths to hide her. I think his "luck" in hiding her, if he did it alone, is the randomness of where he put her. It probably didn't matter to him. Ugh.

If he had some abandoned place that was out of the weather, it is possible he hid her there. But where? Empty houses, storage units, old sheds, and perhaps certain places on a construction site are possibilities. I think of him as the sort of planner who is looking for opportunities and not the sort who strategizes way ahead, but that does not mean he had not rehearsed taking "someone" in his mind. It could be that she was not a target until she was handy to him.

 

[SteveS]

I wondered if they would have to get a warrant etc to gain access to the toll records

I can offer an educated guess.

The bottom line is that I wouldn't expect a warrant to normally be needed, to obtain such records, although I can envision a theoretical scenario in which one would be required.

First of all, the request for such records would be made to NTTA. Afaik they are 100% a private company, not a governmental agency (the distinction matters).

Second, afaik there are no federal or state privacy mandates on "what road did I travel" or "what tolls did I pay." As a result, NTTA would have no obligation to either EA or to any other toll-tag user to refuse such a request, especially in response to a criminal investigation by LE.

Third, permission would not be asked of EA or other toll-tag users with such a records request. They would be completely out of the loop here.

Finally, it would come down to whatever approach NTTA wants to take. So in a sense, imo, "warrant or not" would be up to them. They could say, "Sure, here ya go." Or they could say, "Those are our private records, pertaining to our customers. We need a warrant before we will provide those."

To me, I wouldn't expect NTTA to demand a warrant in most cases where LE needs/asks for help in a criminal case. But, as I said originally, that's just a guess - only NTTA can answer that definitively.

 

[SteveS]

If he had some abandoned place that was out of the weather, it is possible he hid her there. But where? Empty houses, storage units, old sheds, and perhaps certain places on a construction site are possibilities. I think of him as the sort of planner who is looking for opportunities and not the sort who strategizes way ahead, but that does not mean he had not rehearsed taking "someone" in his mind. It could be that she was not a target until she was handy to him.

I certainly don't think she was left somewhere as casually as "dumped by the side of the road" since she would have been found rather quickly, had that been the case.

But that doesn't necessarily mean it had be to a complex plan or a superb "hiding place" either. Lots of "in-between extremes" choices imo.

In further limiting the possibilities, I'm still partial to some general principles, which sprang from having personally driven the general area a few months ago. I think tend to minimize the likelihood of everything within easy sight lines of a busy road, eliminate all open fields, eliminate places requiring a stop on a paved road without a shoulder, eliminate crossing fences and going near houses, and eliminate a destination that would have required him to carry her very far (in part because of the physical exertion, and also because of his desire not to be exposed). Dirt roads, roads through parks and woods, more rural than in neighborhoods and civilization, and within maybe an hour of his house, I think those are more likely, wherever those may be.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Thank you for posting such a great summary.

Is it possible a tip called in by a member of the public led to the search reported on November 19?



I recall reading discussions on here about tag readers for tolls so I'm very curious to know if you think this led to any helpful information -

2. "Plano PD is also working with North Texas Transit Authority (NTTA) to get license plate numbers on vehicles that may have used the Tollway around the time Morris was last seen."

(I don't know much about the lay of the land or the number, locations of toll roads. Looks like there may be 3 in Collins Co.?)


Here are all CFH (calls for help/police dispatches) for Labor Day Weekend from Plano PD. I'm sure you've all already seen them but maybe something will jog someone's memory with the passage of time and additional information obtained via the court proceedings (i.e., streets & highways, landmarks, and, as b. Humble mentioned, "abandoned" vehicles.)
August 30 http://www.plano.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/3659
August 31 http://www.plano.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/3660
September 1 http://www.plano.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/3671

ETA - links to all archived dates http://www.plano.gov/Archive.aspx?AMID=68

JMO & just trying to help.

Thank you for posting the links to the Police Blotters again.

On August 30 at 4:02:05 AM, (page 5,#80), there is a call listed "Welfare Concern at W. Park Blvd./Custer".
I've looked and looked but can't find W. Park Blvd. LE were unable to contact complainant.

There's a Parkwood Blvd. (where LE searched near Legacy) running north/south,
right past Scruggs Way (PP's apt.).

Pretend you're looking at a square. The apartment is the lower SE corner while SAL is the upper NW corner.
The walk between the two sure looks like it would take longer than 10 mins. Just mentioning imo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm sure after almost seven months the cemeteries have been searched, right?
Two of them are Bethany on the west side of Custer, just north of Legacy;
and Rowlett on the west side of Custer too but further north, just south of Sam Rayburn Tollway.

 

[SteveS]

On August 30 at 4:02:05 AM, (page 5,#80), there is a call listed "Welfare Concern at W. Park Blvd./Custer".
I've looked and looked but can't find W. Park Blvd.

Pretty far away, relatively speaking. Go to 75/Bush intersection and W. Park Blvd./Custer is maybe 1 mi NW. Park is a relatively big street.

Pretend you're looking at a square. The apartment is the lower SE corner while SAL is the upper NW corner.

The walk between the two sure looks like it would take longer than 10 mins. Just mentioning imo.

Yes, we've discussed many times that the walk from apt to garage looks more like the 20 minutes it took (as fleshed out on all the time lines and verified by various events/clocks) rather than the 10 minutes reported as being said in court. It's reasonable to assume that either reporter or detective misspoke.

 

[zippixx]

Thank you for posting the links to the Police Blotters again.

On August 30 at 4:02:05 AM, (page 5,#80), there is a call listed "Welfare Concern at W. Park Blvd./Custer".
I've looked and looked but can't find W. Park Blvd. LE were unable to contact complainant.

There's a Parkwood Blvd. (where LE searched near Legacy) running north/south,
right past Scruggs Way (PP's apt.).

Pretend you're looking at a square. The apartment is the lower SE corner while SAL is the upper NW corner.
The walk between the two sure looks like it would take longer than 10 mins. Just mentioning imo.

Park Blvd runs East/West & is a few major streets south of Legacy

 

[Mountaingazer]

Thank you for posting the links to the Police Blotters again.

On August 30 at 4:02:05 AM, (page 5,#80), there is a call listed "Welfare Concern at W. Park Blvd./Custer".
I've looked and looked but can't find W. Park Blvd. LE were unable to contact complainant.

There's a Parkwood Blvd. (where LE searched near Legacy) running north/south,
right past Scruggs Way (PP's apt.).

Pretend you're looking at a square. The apartment is the lower SE corner while SAL is the upper NW corner.
The walk between the two sure looks like it would take longer than 10 mins. Just mentioning imo.

There is a West Parker Road, it intersects Custer road whereas Parkwood blvd seems to run parallel. I bet it is definitely one of the two but the person jumbled those two roads together accidentally.

 

[zippixx]

I'm sure after almost seven months the cemeteries have been searched, right?
Two of them are Bethany on the west side of Custer, just north of Legacy;
and Rowlett on the west side of Custer too but further north, just south of Sam Rayburn Tollway.

I'm still leaning on EA taking her farther out.. (maybe an hour or so drive).. I just don't think he was 3 hours late to work from napping or cleaning. Being on time to work should have been very important to him (partial alibi)...

 

[zippixx]

There is a West Parker Road, it intersects Custer road whereas Parkwood blvd seems to run parallel. I bet it is definitely one of the two but the person jumbled those two roads together accidentally.

Park is south of Parker..

 

[Mountaingazer]

Park is south of Parker..

I see it now lol. I was zoomed in and hadn't scrolled down far enough yet, I saw West Parker and said well that's close.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Park Blvd runs East/West & is a few major streets south of Legacy

Thanks, I see it now.
It is SOUTH of Legacy (as you point out). I actually looked south too but the map I was looking at must have been expanded too much.
Lots of Parks, Parkers and Parkways in Plano!

The reason I noticed the call listed in the log in the first place is because I thought it was ParkWOOD Blvd. (both are boulevards) near to where LE conducted the search in November.