GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #38 *Arrest*

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  • #821
Well, isn't it bath salts that are supposed to be more dangerous? I am not saying molly isn't and it is hard to get it pure. All drugs are dangerous in many instances. The people at the party had probably already done plenty. Believe me, with all the young people I have friended on Facebook, I have found open drug discussion to be not at all uncommon. "This could be bad for you. Take that instead." And then a little mini debate ensues, only friendlier -- if you know what I mean. I would like to invent a drug called NICE. You take it and all discussions flow smoothly.

I am off to bed, having already taken my melatonin.

Molly and bath salts are both synthetic drugs, with no control over their manufacture of course, so they are equally dangerous. The most dangerous part is that some people react differently than others, so two people could take the same exact amount from the same batch and get two totally different responses.

For example, the girl who died from taking Molly last summer has friends who used from the same batch she did, and none of them had a severely negative response yet she had heart failure and died within a very short time of ingesting it. (I don't think this incident was in TX.)

K2 is another synthetic drug that causes varied responses in people. It causes seizures in a LOT of people.
 
  • #822
Bringing these posts together, so my question above makes sense.

Yes. Since the picketing really doesn't affect him. Just his family. It is not like EA sees them. So I am sure the jail has been slammed with letters.
 
  • #823
Yes, I believe it is possible and, coincidentally, when I was trying to fall asleep the other night, a random thought popped into my head.
What if EA told LE Christina asked for and took an Adderall prior to going out (when leaving PP's apartment the first time), but the drug she asked for and took was actually Molly? Why mention Christina took a drug at all?
We've heard it said before that there is sometimes a little truth to a liar's statement.
According to LE, several people at the party have a doctor's prescription for Adderall.
Why would Christina ask for an Adderall when she has her own prescription?
Taking Adderall at 11PM may not be as common as taking Molly at that time either.

If EA left the scene with Christina over a reason having to do with drugs, he would avoid naming an illegal drug to police and may have substituted the name of a legal drug instead.
All the deceit could have snowballed based on his desire to avoid implications of drug use or serious involvement with drugs.
We know drugs were a topic due to the text to HF asking for some.

Thanks Woe! I totally agree with you about why would EA mention any drug, specifically Christina asking for an Adderall when she had her own Rx??? Also, we know Christina changed clothes because she had gotten sick earlier in the evening. Perhaps she was even slipped a drug earlier and didn't realize it? She stayed at PP's apartment until she felt better and then decided to head home. I still don't think she was feeling her best when she left and I do think she was very upset with HF.

By the way, Lone Star Mystery is playing again on ID this morning at 9:00 a.m. central time, followed by another investigation into Lauryn Garrett's disappearance. Lauryn later was ID'd in a grocery store and just did not want to be found. Sad, but she decided to return to a life in the local drug scene. I do believe the same detective in Lauryn's story is the one that is in Lone Star Mystery.

Anyway, in a nutshell, Woe, I think you nailed it: All the deceit could have snowballed based on his desire to avoid implications of drug use or serious involvement with drugs.

Thank you for considering my thoughts about what could have happened that day!
 
  • #824
4. What does Molly look like?

Molly can take many different forms, although it's most often found in a capsule or powder. The DEA has also seen Molly applied to blotting paper, like LSD, and in injectable form.

Molly is dangerous because of the toxic mix of unknown chemicals; users have no idea what they're taking or at what dose. Unlike MDMA and other illegal drugs that have known effects on the body, the formulas for these synthetic drugs keep changing, and they're manufactured with no regard to how they affect the user.

"You're playing Russian roulette if you take these compounds because we're seeing significant batch-to-batch variances," Santos says.

Almost all the chemicals in Molly and other synthetic drugs come from laboratories in China. Chinese chemists sell the drugs online, and middlemen in the United States and around the world cut it with other substances, and either place it in capsules or sell it as powder. Other kinds of synthetic drugs can be sprayed onto plant material and smoked, such as synthetic marijuana.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/22/health/9-things-molly-drug/index.html
 
  • #825
I haven't been on here much in the last month as I've been following a case in my area, Anjelica Hadsell. (It hasn't turned out well either.) It looks fairly quiet here. I was hoping that Christina had been found by now. I can't believe that SOB, EA, is sitting quietly in a warm jail cell, out of the elements and eating 3 hot meals a day and not a peep as to why Christina's DNA is in his TRUNK!!!
 
  • #826
Is it possible Christina could have had some molly on her that night she was out with friends? Could she have gotten willingly in the car with EA to smoke a joint, popped the molly thinking it would make the trip back to Fort Worth not seem as long and had a reaction? She's seen in the ID Discovery show wearing a molly t-shirt as she is washing her car before she moves out with ALP and in with HF.

Yes, it is very possible she had Molly on her.
 
  • #827
Bootsctr: "Is it possible Christina could have had some molly on her that night she was out with friends? Could she have gotten willingly in the car with EA to smoke a joint, popped the molly thinking it would make the trip back to Fort Worth not seem as long and had a reaction? She's seen in the ID Discovery show wearing a molly t-shirt as she is washing her car before she moves out with ALP and in with HF."

As we speculate about all these ideas of what CM might have done, wonder if she did, imagine what possibly could have happened, imagine some drugs and what-not, and so on, it probably needs to be noted that none of this is likely to be said or explored in EA's trial at all. The jury will be looking at a very different range of possibilities..

That's because it takes evidence, not mere speculation that it's possible, to get something into a trial.

If EA wants to testify as to the fact that events like that did happen, then yes the defense could open that door and argue in that direction. (Do I think there's much chance he'll testify? Nope, not at all. That would be a nightmare for the defense imo. But I guess ya never know until we get there.)

So assuming he won't testify, then there'd be no one to claim she took drugs after she left the house, because he's not talking and she's not available. And we have no body with drugs in it, to tell us something. And we probably have no evidence that either CM or EA had drugs on their person. With all due respect to those who are talking about the drugs (only trying to add a bit of perspective, not trying to rain on you or your parade), I haven't seen a single drug-related note that any DA couldn't keep out of this trial on his worst day. Isn't close to the standard.

The drug angle, using what we know, is all a dead-end evidence-wise. Trials are about evidence and what that evidence shows.
 
  • #828
  • #829
3. Who is using Molly?

Molly is being marketed to young first-time drug abusers between the ages of 12 and 17, as well as traditional rave, electronic dance music fans who may think they're getting MDMA. "Our kids are being used as guinea pigs by drug traffickers," says Al Santos, associate deputy administrator for the DEA.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/22/health/9-things-molly-drug/index.html

Pretty sleazy person who would give a 12 y/o a molly.

I have kids in that demographic. They're good kids, much better than I was at their age, don't drink alcohol or smoke (weed or tobacco.) Never taken or been prescribed any kind of psychotropic like Adderall or Ritalin or even an an SSRI. I still live in fear they will fall prey to synthetics like Molly & Gravel. Have a friend, young black guy I'm mentoring through college. He's close to 30. He took Molly earlier this year at a rap concert and had seizures. Very, very scary drugs.

JMO
 
  • #830
Bootsctr: "Is it possible Christina could have had some molly on her that night she was out with friends? Could she have gotten willingly in the car with EA to smoke a joint, popped the molly thinking it would make the trip back to Fort Worth not seem as long and had a reaction? She's seen in the ID Discovery show wearing a molly t-shirt as she is washing her car before she moves out with ALP and in with HF."

As we speculate about all these ideas of what CM might have done, wonder if she did, imagine what possibly could have happened, imagine some drugs and what-not, and so on, it probably needs to be noted that none of this is likely to be said or explored in EA's trial at all. The jury will be looking at a very different range of possibilities..

That's because it takes evidence, not mere speculation that it's possible, to get something into a trial.

If EA wants to testify as to the fact that events like that did happen, then yes the defense could open that door and argue in that direction. (Do I think there's much chance he'll testify? Nope, not at all. That would be a nightmare for the defense imo. But I guess ya never know until we get there.)

So assuming he won't testify, then there'd be no one to claim she took drugs after she left the house, because he's not talking and she's not available. And we have no body with drugs in it, to tell us something. And we probably have no evidence that either CM or EA had drugs on their person. With all due respect to those who are talking about the drugs (only trying to add a bit of perspective, not trying to rain on you or your parade), I haven't seen a single drug-related note that any DA couldn't keep out of this trial on his worst day. Isn't close to the standard.

The drug angle, using what we know, is all a dead-end evidence-wise. Trials are about evidence and what that evidence shows.

What if they call the other "friends" of CM? Will they invoke their 5th amendment privilege to avoid answering questions regarding CM's drug use and/or their own?

Can they even have a trial without any of them testifying? The alleged longing for sex with the one chick in the apartment is the lynchpin of their sex assault theory, is it not?

JMO
 
  • #831
Really? I thought the defense did not have to provide evidence. See Casey Anthony.

http://http://www.chicagonow.com/ex-posts-facto/2011/07/casey-anthony-verdict-what-happened/

That's what I thought too. It's the state's burden to prove aggravated kidnapping. The defense can create doubt and poke holes in the prosecution's theory of what happened. The Casey Anthony jury verdict floored me. I don't think EA will be as lucky as CA though. People are more squeamish about putting a woman on death row than a man, i.e. Jody Arias.
 
  • #832
Respectfully snipped for focus.

Because she had to drive home. Adderall is like several cups of coffee. For me, with my ADD, coffee, initially does not make me jittery. It focuses me. Adderall had much the same effect, only it made me a bit too wired to go easily asleep. I heard that the drug maker makes in hard to get regular Adderall. They want everyone on the more expensive AdderallXR. Taking an Adderall would have made sure that Christina would not get sleepy on the drive home.

Your Molly theory is interesting. The drugs do look a great deal alike. Someone way upthread posted a link with photos.

Kids (and grownups) get around that by crushing and snorting or chewing them before swallowing.

JMO
 
  • #833
What if they call the other "friends" of CM? Will they invoke their 5th amendment privilege to avoid answering questions regarding CM's drug use and/or their own?

Can they even have a trial without any of them testifying? The alleged longing for sex with the one chick in the apartment is the lynchpin of their sex assault theory, is it not?

JMO

You are reading my mind. I'm thinking of the case of the poor guy who fell off a cruise ship..... George Smith, but foul play was suspected. Everyone involved or considered witnesses claimed their 5th amendment right. Shocking!
 
  • #834
What if they call the other "friends" of CM? Will they invoke their 5th amendment privilege to avoid answering questions regarding CM's drug use and/or their own?

Can they even have a trial without any of them testifying? The alleged longing for sex with the one chick in the apartment is the lynchpin of their sex assault theory, is it not?

JMO

I doubt that is the only thing behind LE believing there was a sexual motive. We don't know what kind of DNA was found, or what else they have recovered from his vehicle, computer, phones, etc...jmo
 
  • #835
Also, as per the PI, EA isn't the only one not talking about drugs:

Boudreaux said that in her career as a PI, every person she has looked for disappeared under circumstances involving drugs, money or sex. She believes Morris’s disappearance is somehow drug-related.

“[The people she was with] like to party, and I think it all stems from drugs,” she said. “I’ve tried to tell these people that do drugs that I don’t really care about the drugs. I don’t care what you’re putting in your veins or down your throat. I want Christina, and I want you to tell me things. Then you can go back to popping your pills or whatever.”

And for the people she believes know more than they’re letting on, Boudreaux said it’s time to talk."

http://starlocalmedia.com/allenamer...cle_c1cb872e-7b15-11e4-ad49-772baa4e4ed8.html

Everyone of these "party friends" could end up claiming their 5th amendment right.
 
  • #836
I doubt that is the only thing behind LE believing there was a sexual motive. We don't know what kind of DNA was found, or what else they have recovered from his vehicle, computer, phones, etc...jmo

Oh, but I have been very pointedly informed many times on this thread that the DNA evidence in his trunk is CM's blood. If it is semen, I would very much appreciate someone or something clarifying that tidbit.

JMO
 
  • #837
I have kids in that demographic. They're good kids, much better than I was at their age, don't drink alcohol or smoke (weed or tobacco.) Never taken or been prescribed any kind of psychotropic like Adderall or Ritalin or even an an SSRI. I still live in fear they will fall prey to synthetics like Molly & Gravel. Have a friend, young black guy I'm mentoring through college. He's close to 30. He took Molly earlier this year at a rap concert and had seizures. Very, very scary drugs.

JMO

I hope your young friend suffered no lasting ill effects from the Molly. Sounds like your kids know what is dangerous and what they shouldn't be doing. You've done a good job of informing them. It's scary to think of a 12 y/o being handed a pill and being told "it's just a Molly"...
 
  • #838
I hope your young friend suffered no lasting ill effects from the Molly. Sounds like your kids know what is dangerous and what they shouldn't be doing. You've done a good job of informing them. It's scary to think of a 12 y/o being handed a pill and being told "it's just a Molly"...

No long-term effects that we know of but (and it breaks my heart to say this), it's just a matter of time before the memory fades & his belief in his invincibility returns. (Or he hooks up with the wrong girl one night.)

But get this: NOBODY took him to the ER! They dumped him off in his mom's front yard!
 
  • #839
I hope your young friend suffered no lasting ill effects from the Molly. Sounds like your kids know what is dangerous and what they shouldn't be doing. You've done a good job of informing them. It's scary to think of a 12 y/o being handed a pill and being told "it's just a Molly"...

What's Gravel? That sounds horrible!

It is, from what I've read. It is AKA Flakka (sp?) I saw an article about it somewhere. Just yet another variation of bath salts/synthetics, IIRC. (Molly, IIRC, is usually amphetamine + hallucinogen, or whatever the seller wants to stick in those grosses of empty capsules. I've heard it called $5 insanity of something similar.

Flakka/Gravel
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/flakka-floridas-dangerous-new-drug-trend/

What's in that hit of Molly?
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/m...-other-terrible-stuff-playboy-reports-6543246
 
  • #840
No long-term effects that we know of but (and it breaks my heart to say this), it's just a matter of time before the memory fades & his belief in his invincibility returns. (Or he hooks up with the wrong girl one night.)

But get this: NOBODY took him to the ER! They dumped him off in his mom's front yard!

OMG! I am seeing a pattern with what happens with people who OD on these drugs - their friends panic and they don't take them to the ER.
 
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