GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #39 *Arrest*

[heather.scissorhands]

Can I ask a question about this emergency release in the trunk of the car, is this a standard thing in Americsn cars? Does everyone readily know about this?

Iv never heard of it, but I am in the UK.

Here are 2 pictures of a camaro with the trunk release handle.

 

[Bootsctr]

Leaving aside that height, I do wonder if he ever worked around construction, but other than that, don't people in real estate have keys to lockboxes? It may be a stretch but if he knew anyone in real estate and any such keys were around, he might have been able to spend some time with her in a house and then move her body if he feared discovery. It is hard to imagine him being so bold. I know that that is lots of ifs but all those ifs come with our right to speculate.

I wanted to touch on this subject again. We really don't know if he could have spent that morning stashing her somewhere alive and then going to work. He could have had Saturday night, Sunday, Monday and Monday night to do whatever. This would go against my original thinking that he would have dumped her ASAP. Again, we don't have the DNA results from what LE took from his home. We don't know when he was expecting the parents to return home. Did he see his GF Saturday night (I suspect not because of religion)? Did he see her Sunday or Monday? So many questions and so few answers. I'm ready for the trial.

 

[holmesleuthing]

I check in periodically for updates. Really am surprised that Christina hasn't been located yet. Thinking with her small size, she could have easily been put in a dumpster. Be interesting to find out the pick up schedules around that area. Probably would have been warm though causing quick decay. EA doesn't seem very bright, so where is she....

 

[daisytrail]

Here are 2 pictures of a camaro with the trunk release handle.

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Thank you, Heather. That is really clear. From that I think we can surmise certain things: If she had been put in the trunk and she was conscious, lucid, and not terribly injured, she should have been able to see that trunk release.

 

[SteveS]

Thank you, Heather. That is really clear. From that I think we can surmise certain things: If she had been put in the trunk and she was conscious, lucid, and not terribly injured, she should have been able to see that trunk release.

Perhaps. But other factors also were in play, which imo make it almost impossible to say definitively whether she was conscious or not when placed in the trunk, simply due to there being a trunk-escape handle which she didn't use to escape.

1 We don't really know she was in the trunk and never opened it. Can't say either way. For example, if she's in the trunk and opens the lid, and the car is going 70 MPH down SRT, I don't think she's really able (or willing) to jump out.

2 We don't know but that maybe EA had rope or duct tape, to keep her confined.

3 We don't know but that she was stuffed in the trunk in such a way that she couldn't see or use the release. While she is small for an adult, the space in the trunk may still have been so limited as to be confining as to movement. Did her knees have to be bent to fit? Was there clearance room to roll over? Were other things in the trunk at the time, taking up space? We simply don't know if she had room to maneuver.

4 If she was in the trunk and conscious, she still may not have been looking for the trunk release thing, simply due to a lack of knowledge of its existence. The popular perception, deriving from moves and TV shows, is that you can't open a trunk from the inside. And we in this forum weren't previously very knowledgeable in this area - so no reason to think she or EA would have been either.

 

[heather.scissorhands]

And, there is the other possibility that she did see the trunk release, pulled it while he was stopped/driving slow and tried to run. That could be when he crashed the front of his car.

We don't know. And you don't know. That's why no one said it was definite, but obviously wanted to explore the idea.

 

[zippixx]

Perhaps. But other factors also were in play, which imo make it almost impossible to say definitively whether she was conscious or not when placed in the trunk, simply due to there being a trunk-escape handle which she didn't use to escape.

1 We don't really know she was in the trunk and never opened it. Can't say either way. For example, if she's in the trunk and opens the lid, and the car is going 70 MPH down SRT, I don't think she's really able (or willing) to jump out.

2 We don't know but that maybe EA had rope or duct tape, to keep her confined.

3 We don't know but that she was stuffed in the trunk in such a way that she couldn't see or use the release. While she is small for an adult, the space in the trunk may still have been so limited as to be confining as to movement. Did her knees have to be bent to fit? Was there clearance room to roll over? Were other things in the trunk at the time, taking up space? We simply don't know if she had room to maneuver.

4 If she was in the trunk and conscious, she still may not have been looking for the trunk release thing, simply due to a lack of knowledge of its existence. The popular perception, deriving from moves and TV shows, is that you can't open a trunk from the inside. And we in this forum weren't previously very knowledgeable in this area - so no reason to think she or EA would have been either.

Yep.. just add this to the stack of "dozens of things we don't know" (& may never know)... <sigh>

 

[MIKAYOYO]

We've had a ton of rain here lately. I'm hoping this will help in the search for Christina.

 

[daisytrail]

And here, I am not surmising (which is a far cry from being definitive), that if I were placed in an auto trunk, I would not just wait for the grim reaper or whatever fate awaited me. I would be trying everything in my power to open the trunk. I think I probably have average intelligence and as much will to survive as anyone else. I would look for a solution.

 

[heather.scissorhands]

And here, I am not surmising (which is a far cry from being definitive), that if I were placed in an auto trunk, I would not just wait for the grim reaper or whatever fate awaited me. I would be trying everything in my power to open the trunk. I think I probably have average intelligence and as much will to survive as anyone else. I would look for a solution.

From what was released early on, Christina's biggest fear was abduction. I assume she had a will to survive. I would definitely be kicking in seats, stomping out brake lights, looking for a release, ANYTHING to get out of a trunk.

If I was conscious, of course.

 

[SteveS]

From what was released early on, Christina's biggest fear was abduction. I assume she had a will to survive. I would definitely be kicking in seats, stomping out brake lights, looking for a release, ANYTHING to get out of a trunk.

If I was conscious, of course.

I don't think anyone has suggested that CM wouldn't have tried anything she could try. I certainly didn't. My point was simply that there were other factors beyond conscious-vs-unconscious that could have kept her from using the trunk-release feature.

Accordingly, while the idea that "her failure to use it, as far as we know" might have indicated unconsciousness, it might alternatively be indicating any number of other things instead.

 

[Bootsctr]

I'm thinking if I was conscious I would pop the hood, but keep it from going up all the way to keep from lighting up the "trunk open" light. Then when the car was stopped I would jump out. If he drove a long way w/o stopping and then finally stopped I would wait to hear him walking to the back of the car and then jump out hopefully hitting him with the trunk door. I would use anything I could find in the trunk to hit him with, like maybe a tire iron. I'm sure Christina would have thought of all these things if she had been conscious and able to pull the lever.

I learned in the case of Pedro Bravo and the murder of his best friend, Christian Aguilar, that Bravo went off the grid by turning his cell phone to airplane mode. Bravo was described as a psychopath by Aguilar's girlfriend, Erika Friman's "someone who would kill your dog and then help you look for it." LE had this guy on CCTV doing everything. http://abcnews.go.com/US/unrequited...-love-triangle-ended-death/story?id=25070128#

 

[SteveS]

Yes we can write the story just about any way we want to make it up, can't we? CM's thinking and actions once in the trunk are certainly unknowns, and we have no one to contradict whatever we want to invent. Who knows?

Fortunately, the case at trial won't be about proving any of that.

How and where she was taken out? Won't matter. If she was conscious or unconscious in the trunk? Won't matter. She almost escaped or not? Won't matter. The route EA took? Won't matter. They are after the fact issues. And precisely when and why she was first put in the trunk won't matter either, so long as they can prove she was indeed put in there.

The abduction is about her being forcibly taken against her will. And that simply centers on her being put IN HIS TRUNK for some period of time, because she would not have been in EA's trunk willingly, or for her welfare.

 

[daisytrail]

Yes we can write the story just about any way we want to make it up, can't we? CM's thinking and actions once in the trunk are certainly unknowns, and we have no one to contradict whatever we want to invent. Who knows?

Fortunately, the case at trial won't be about proving any of that.

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And so?

I think we are all aware of that. The trial will be what the trial will be. I hope you are not using the word "invent" to imply that people are making things up about this case out of whole cloth with no references to the facts. We are acknowledging that she was in the trunk. Our very speculations are based upon the fact that she was in the trunk.

Of course none of our speculations will change what will happening in the trial. No one has said that they will, but they are all within the rules according to WS, which I have read more than once.

Moreover, we are at least indirectly focused upon EA.

Here is what we are not doing:

• We are not maligning the victim.
• We are not sleuthing anyone declared off limits.
• We are not ignoring facts. The fact that she is in the truck is our starting point for our speculations.

Why is any of this a problem?

 

[heather.scissorhands]

Yes we can write the story just about any way we want to make it up, can't we? CM's thinking and actions once in the trunk are certainly unknowns, and we have no one to contradict whatever we want to invent. Who knows?

Fortunately, the case at trial won't be about proving any of that.

How and where she was taken out? Won't matter. If she was conscious or unconscious in the trunk? Won't matter. She almost escaped or not? Won't matter. The route EA took? Won't matter. They are after the fact issues. And precisely when and why she was first put in the trunk won't matter either, so long as they can prove she was indeed put in there.

The abduction is about her being forcibly taken against her will. And that simply centers on her being put IN HIS TRUNK for some period of time, because she would not have been in EA's trunk willingly, or for her welfare.

First, these things are important in FINDING CHRISTINA who is still missing. I certainly hope LE has not stopped searching for clues for where he took her. A lot of what you mention will come into play. And, are you forgetting that their will be a defense? And a jury?

ETA: and I think the things you point out are very important to the family. Especially since they still have not found her. We don't have a murder charge [modsnip].

 

[Coldpizza]

FYI all

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?278299&p=11723302#post11723302

 

[SteveS]

To whom it may concern:

Speculate away. Invent whatever you want. But let's stop the fiction-based narrative and replies as if anyone is telling anyone else what to talk about, okay?

I'm offering my views and perspectives only. You are expressing yours.

 

[EllieBee]

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And so?

I think we are all aware of that. The trial will be what the trial will be. I hope you are not using the word "invent" to imply that people are making things up about this case out of whole cloth with no references to the facts. We are acknowledging that she was in the trunk. Our very speculations are based upon the fact that she was in the trunk.

Of course none of our speculations will change what will happening in the trial. No one has said that they will, but they are all within the rules according to WS, which I have read more than once.

Moreover, we are at least indirectly focused upon EA.

Here is what we are not doing:

• We are not maligning the victim.
• We are not sleuthing anyone declared off limits.
• We are not ignoring facts. The fact that she is in the truck is our starting point for our speculations.

Why is any of this a problem?

Bravo. Speculation, within TOS, is what we do here. I have been a reader here for years before finally joining and it has always been that way.

I really do wonder why this becomes such an issue. As I read a mod post on another thread I am following;

"scroll and roll" and don't tell other peeps what is okay to post.

 

[zippixx]

IMO:
I've been posting on here since early November & never once had the feeling that anyone was dictating to me what to post, what to believe, or what not to believe. I read posts & sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't... sometimes i comment, sometimes I don't. Many times I scroll & roll.. Sometimes I take a few days off..
But, I'm just not seeing any sign of anyone saying what is ok to post.. Maybe some are too thin-skinned... or maybe I'm naive (lol).. dunno
JMO & IMO!!

 

[MIKAYOYO]

IMO:
I've been posting on here since early November & never once had the feeling that anyone was dictating to me what to post, what to believe, or what not to believe. I read posts & sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't... sometimes i comment, sometimes I don't. Many times I scroll & roll.. Sometimes I take a few days off..
But, I'm just not seeing any sign of anyone saying what is ok to post.. Maybe some are too thin-skinned... or maybe I'm naive (lol).. dunno
JMO & IMO!!

I don't think I would go as far as to say I feel I'm being told what to post, but I will say when I do post something or I see others post something, it is quickly met with almost condescending responses. And yes, I understand that is my problem in how I perceive things, but it's obvious I'm not the only one.

Until someone has been convicted of murder and/or AK, AND until she is found, I will cotinue to speculate.

If I had never learned of the "good rock" text minutes prior to her disappearance, I'd probably be right there with ya and have less people on ignore.

MOO