GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #39 *Arrest*

[EllieBee]

And I don't necessarily think HF was directly involved, but there's something there. And IMO I do NOT believe it was a solid SA motive. MOO

Nor do I. If it were rape, the trunk would be terribly inconvenient. EA is responsible, IMO, But there is , to quote Neil Young, "more to the picture than meets the eye. Hey hey my my"

 

[EllieBee]

What is the evidence? Also, nobody is "shutting down" anything. When someone posts a thought, theory, idea, there are going to be counter posts or reactions.. comes with the territory.<modsnip>

When anyone suggests anything outside of EA alone and during a SA, the "IN HIS TRUNK" posts start. Very inhospitable to people trying to think outside the trunk.

And although I am new to posting, I have followed this story on WS from day one. And have family in Plano and Irving and Dallas. So my interest was piqued.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

What is the evidence? Also, nobody is "shutting down" anything. When someone posts a thought, theory, idea, there are going to be counter posts or reactions.. comes with the territory.<modsnip>

I posted the "evidence" in my post. How can we overlook the rock text? Was it coincidental? Maybe. But we wouldn't know because we can't go down that road here. I can deal with counter posts. At least that gets a conversation going. There's a difference in a counter post that can be bounced off of to further the conversation and a post that just says EA is guilty period. She was in his trunk. There's nothing else to see here. EA is guilty. Quit looking elsewhere. Please don't look behind the curtain!

 

[Doj1234]

I consider DNA & CCTV valuable & accurate tools, certainly not laziness. The results are factual & not just theories. DNA has also been used in releasing many individuals that were wrongly accused...

I agree with your post but I can see where Boots is coming from. The former head of Atlanta's crime lab has recently filed a lawsuit against the Fulton county DA and Atlanta Chief of Police for obstruction of justice because the DA and Police chief wanted the crime lab head fired if he didn't testify exclusively in support of their potential convictions.
So, we know that LE gets an idea of who is responsible for a crime in their head and want to convict that person regardless of the evidence that develops in the investigation, I consider that lazy.
In this specific case, it is entirely possible that LE hasn't investigated others with the same vigor, in my mind, as EA.

 

[zippixx]

I posted the "evidence" in my post. How can we overlook the rock text? Was it coincidental? Maybe. But we wouldn't know because we can't go down that road here. I can deal with counter posts. At least that gets a conversation going. There's a difference in a counter post that can be bounced off of to further the conversation and a post that just says EA is guilty period. She was in his trunk. There's nothing else to see here. EA is guilty. Quit looking elsewhere. Please don't look behind the curtain!

Respectfully though, it works both ways.. seems that the folks that take the evidence at face value are being told that it is short-sighted & to consider theories that there is no proof or evidence of. NOBODY is telling anyone not to post their thoughts, theories or ideas.. To me, at this point, the text is nothing but a text.. The text was mentioned at the bond hearing, but not in the arrest warrant.. maybe it means something, maybe not...

Anyway... all's good... I respect you & your ideaseace:

 

[Helen_Ready]

I posted the "evidence" in my post. How can we overlook the rock text? Was it coincidental? Maybe. But we wouldn't know because we can't go down that road here. I can deal with counter posts. At least that gets a conversation going. There's a difference in a counter post that can be bounced off of to further the conversation and a post that just says EA is guilty period. She was in his trunk. There's nothing else to see here. EA is guilty. Quit looking elsewhere. Please don't look behind the curtain!

Go down that road all you want but when a post doesn't follow along with the evidence we have at hand.... Well... If you can't stand the heat...

 

[Mamamerced]

Then, respectfully, why are you here? Isn't this a true crime discussion forum? I know I am not a veteran, but c'mon. Aren't we all here to discuss, posit and sleuth?

I think you misinterpreted my post.
My premise was: I just don't believe there are even a handful of cases where WS posters actually find the victims, particularly given the very restrictive TOS and the paucity of facts.

 

[SteveS]

Look, I totally get that EA is obviously guilty of this crime. However, to say there's no evidence of others being involved just makes my brain explode. I cannot comprehend how we can just dismiss the "good rock" text. A text that was sent to HF from EA's phone just minutes prior to her disappearance. MINUTES prior. To me, that is reasonable doubt. Yes, her DNA was in the trunk and so again, obviously EA is guilty. I just don't understand what it hurts for us to look at all reasonable theories without being shut down. MOO

Respectfully, I think your analysis is way out in left field on this.

While that text says some words, what some seem to ignore is what it doesn't say, and the things it implies beyond the actual words. And if we look closely, it's a text that ends up irrelevant to the crime.

Maybe EA was a druggie wanting a fix. Maybe not. But the crime is that he put her IN HIS TRUNK (that's your kidnapping, since she wouldn't have been put in there willingly, or for her welfare) and she's never been seen or heard from again. A desire for a fix, if that's what we had in this text, isn't an alibi or doubt of what the DNA says.

Keep in mind, the crime was an abduction. Maybe a murder. Not a crime of getting some drugs.

So what does that text actually say? It tells us that someone (most likely EA, but maybe CM) "needed" something, that's probably drugs.

But it also tells us by implication
- HF was not there (so it doesn't add some boogeyman to the location)
- EA and/or CM did NOT have the desired "rock" with them (the opposite of what many are saying)

And we have to notice it says nothing about
- who was sending it
- a location it was being sent from
- an abduction
- a murder
- anything happening to involve the recipient
- if the recipient even saw the text

So maybe it says that EA wanted some drugs some day. But that wouldn't mean he couldn't/didn't abduct and/or kill Christina 5 minutes later, and it doesn't even provide another person on the scene. In total, it doesn't come close to creating another scenario, another person, an excuse, an alibi. Or, of course, "reasonable doubt" that EA put her IN HIS TRUNK soon thereafter. IMO.

 

[EllieBee]

Go down that road all you want but when a post doesn't follow along with the evidence we have at hand.... Well... If you can't stand the heat...

This forum is about turning over stones, not "pitchforks and yeah, we're done. Just because".

 

[zippixx]

And I don't necessarily think HF was directly involved, but there's something there. And IMO I do NOT believe it was a solid SA motive. MOO

Actually, I can't say for sure that I'm 100% convinced it was SA, but I lean that way. I sometimes think it was more of a sexual rejection that lit his fuse. I know it sounds petty to some, but I also think about the sexual assault case EA was indicted on. A 22 year old with a 16 year old... and lying about his age. When I was 22 (a long time ago), there is no way in hell I would have considered that. I know young men have sexual desires, but that seems to be slightly extreme... JMO!!

 

[SteveS]

This forum is about turning over stones, not "pitchforks and yeah, we're done. Just because".

Respectfully, if a scenario doesn't follow the evidence, it's just fiction with no relevance. We know CM's DNA was found IN HIS TRUNK, so it's the stones in EA's life that might offer us some clues. IMO that's where we should be sleuthing, speculating, implying, and spying.

 

[Helen_Ready]

Respectfully, I think your analysis is way out in left field on this.

While that text says some words, what some seem to ignore is what it doesn't say, and the things it implies beyond the actual words. And if we look closely, it's a text that ends up irrelevant to the crime.

Maybe EA was a druggie wanting a fix. Maybe not. But the crime is that he put her IN HIS TRUNK (that's your kidnapping, since she wouldn't have been put in there willingly, or for her welfare) and she's never been seen or heard from again. A desire for a fix, if that's what we had in this text, isn't an alibi or doubt of what the DNA says.

Keep in mind, the crime was an abduction. Maybe a murder. Not a crime of getting some drugs.

So what does that text actually say? It tells us that someone (most likely EA, but maybe CM) "needed" something, that's probably drugs.

But it also tells us by implication
- HF was not there (so it doesn't add some boogeyman to the location)
- EA and/or CM did NOT have the desired "rock" with them (the opposite of what many are saying)

And we have to notice it says nothing about
- who was sending it
- a location it was being sent from
- an abduction
- a murder
- anything happening to involve the recipient
- if the recipient even saw the text

So maybe it says that EA wanted some drugs some day. But that wouldn't mean he couldn't/didn't abduct and/or kill Christina 5 minutes later, and it doesn't even provide another person on the scene. In total, it doesn't come close to creating another scenario, another person, an excuse, an alibi. Or, of course, "reasonable doubt" that EA put her IN HIS TRUNK soon thereafter. IMO.

SteveS...why do you think her body has been so hard to locate? .. My thoughts.... I think the body might have been moved... By someone close to him and that's another reason I think that's been additional motivation to keep quiet.... I'm interested in thoughts..

 

[zippixx]

Kind of like how the McStay family OBVIOUSLY was on the run and probably in Mexico?

Sometimes alternate theories are not the devil. Yes, Christina was IN HIS TRUNK. <modsnip>

Where is Christina NOW?

<modsnip>I at least try to disagree with some respect..

 

[Helen_Ready]

<modsnip>I at least try to disagree with some respect..

Keep on your same path.... Your respectful approach is appreciated here

 

[SteveS]

SteveS...why do you think her body has been so hard to locate? .. My thoughts.... I think the body might have been moved... By someone close to him and that's another reason I think that's been additional motivation to keep quiet.... I'm interested in thoughts..

I think EA hid her within an hour drive or so of his home, with no special tools or expertise, working alone. JMO. And that still leaves a massive footprint, as big as some states.

Little body. And could be "anywhere" in a footprint so incredibly large. You have lakes, woods, deserted areas to deal with. Together, you're looking for a tiny needle in a geographical haystack.

But if he had help in hiding her, it increases the degree of difficulty because it enlarges the area, perhaps considerably, and also adds the possibility of more sophisticated means of disposal of a body. So who knows?

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I think HF hid her within an hour drive or so of his home, with no special tools or expertise, working alone. JMO. And that still leaves a massive footprint, as big as some states.

Little body. And could be "anywhere" in a footprint so incredibly large. You have lakes, woods, deserted areas to deal with. Together, you're looking for a tiny needle in a geographical haystack.

But if he had help in hiding her, it increases the degree of difficulty because it enlarges the area, perhaps considerably, and also adds the possibility of more sophisticated means of disposal of a body. So who knows?

So they should be looking more towards the Ft. Worth area?

 

[SteveS]

LOL, you mean EA, right? Freudian slip?

Yep EA. Obviously. Not Freudian, but yes a mistake that I noticed and corrected.

 

[SteveS]

So they should be looking more towards the Ft. Worth area?

Nope. N and E of Allen imo, from the Arochi residence and then driving away from civilization rather than to or through it. (Answers obviously come via the evidence and who it implicates, not from riffing on a typo on a discussion board.)

 

[daisytrail]

What are we here for then?

Websleuths has helped in several cases. No, we don't have all the facts, but the point is we brainstorm and try to help. I certainly don't come to websleuths for entertainment. You never know when someone can say something that makes a lightbulb go off.

In those cases, (I have not been here long enough to have much history) did those cases have an actual arrest already by LE? Or were they cases of matching someone long dead (unidentified) to a missing person?

 

[SteveS]

In those cases, (I have not been here long enough to have much history) did those cases have an actual arrest already by LE? Or were they cases of matching someone long dead (unidentified) to a missing person?

Bingo! (the latter)

I am amazed in this forum at how many people, not having access to all the evidence LE has,

• think they know more than LE (who obviously believe they have the evidence to try and convict EA)
• want to simply dismiss what LE has found and find a different solution that doesn't follow the evidence, and
• are rude to those who point to and remind of the evidence.