GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #39 *Arrest*

[daisytrail]

Respectfully though, it works both ways.. seems that the folks that take the evidence at face value are being told that it is short-sighted & to consider theories that there is no proof or evidence of. NOBODY is telling anyone not to post their thoughts, theories or ideas.. To me, at this point, the text is nothing but a text.. The text was mentioned at the bond hearing, but not in the arrest warrant.. maybe it means something, maybe not...

Anyway... all's good... I respect you & your ideaseace:

Oh, zippixx, we so often agree, but I cannot agree with you here on the text. All communication means something, even if it is meant to be a diversion. I just don't think we can be sure exactly what it meant, but the obvious conclusion -- lacking any other evidence to the contrary -- is that it meant exactly what it said!

ETA: Nevermind. I did not read your post so well. You are not really saying it means nothing. I am tired and going to bed.

 

[Steleheart]

Why are we here. Can we find Christina. Why should we [not] consider other possibilities. should we only focus on hard evidence without theorizing? What's wrong with unsubstantiated abstract theories. Is there a reason to theorize in what direction EA may have driven. Is it worth deciding who typed the rock text.

~ I think there are as many reasons as members. But a common denominator in most cases is a victim. A sense of justice, of hope.
~ I can't find Christina - I am on the Atlantic. Maybe something I think of will spark a thought in a lurking guest or they decide to call in that tip they have been reluctant to do. I don't know. I will likely never know.
~We should consider ALL possibilities. We should not consider impossibilities. Possibilities should at least be grounded in the facts of the case.
~ I try to bear in mind all evidence we are aware of. I can construct a theory about the rock text because there was one. There were 2 people and it was sent from one phone. One or both had a motive for sending it. One of them pressed the buttons, why is it important - it may not be, but because it preceded her disappearance by mere minutes, it could be significant. MOST Evidence will not be known until the discovery process.
~ Abstract theories not based on the facts as we know them go off in directions the case has not taken and are unproductive for everyone, I understand the 'fiction' argument - I often wonder in a case, if we are in a creative writing contest, but worse, they become rumor and eventually are considered fact. It's a train wreck. IMO, JMO, MOO, JMVHO, AFAIK, IIRC won't keep the train from jumping the track.
~ Sure there is. There is a definite time restriction to consider - she can't be found yet. We KNOW she was in his trunk because the facts of the case say that the evidence shows it and LE is convinced she was inside it and at a specific time no less. Wherever he went that's where she is.

I think my only point is that people get exasperated, critical, personal, discouraged, insulted or etc, based on their own personal reasons for being here. I am not exactly sure why I am here on a case not moving, but I know I won't ignore it. It's vastly different than this most productive Nevada UID case I am on. I never thought it would move that fast but it could come to a grinding halt anytime. The hope is we find a guy's name and send him home - maybe find his killer.

But I have seen Websleuths members make a difference on cases I have worked on. We never know what each other does outside of WS. I personally know that while working on a missing kid case we members came across an RSO whose address did not match his online record. It was important because his relative had a minor connection. Tips were called in and the RSO was checked out and his record updated. She is home because of other factors and even though she was held against her will.

I worked on a child molester case that ICE/HSI asked for help on and within 24 hours the unknown suspect was in custody in Iowa. Did WS do that? many of us privately took to social media and before a few hours it went viral. My answer is that ICE/HSI did that and thousands including WS responded.

So many members have stories of success and defeat, but hope and justice keep me going at least.

You can make a difference, you just might not find out.

But please don't make it personal with each other.

:cow:

 

[Steleheart]

Actually, I can't say for sure that I'm 100% convinced it was SA, but I lean that way. I sometimes think it was more of a sexual rejection that lit his fuse. I know it sounds petty to some, but I also think about the sexual assault case EA was indicted on. A 22 year old with a 16 year old... and lying about his age. When I was 22 (a long time ago), there is no way in hell I would have considered that. I know young men have sexual desires, but that seems to be slightly extreme... JMO!!

Maybe someone else has the link, but I have looked a couple of times for it with no success; There was a news story in which an LE official mentioned the SA charge and said something to the effect that if we knew all of the evidence then that charge would make sense but he couldn't talk about it. I am paraphrasing this and I have been known to have a faulty memory.

Does anyone else remember this?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Maybe someone else has the link, but I have looked a couple of times for it with no success; There was a news story in which an LE official mentioned the SA charge and said something to the effect that if we knew all of the evidence then that charge would make sense but he couldn't talk about it. I am paraphrasing this and I have been known to have a faulty memory.

Does anyone else remember this?

I can't provide a link, but I remember the quote. It was when EA was arrested in early December.

I believe the "unknown male DNA" in the trunk that is stated to be MIXED with Christina's is EA's semen which is why they are going with sexual assault being the motive, and why LE said that about knowing everything they know would help us understand.

But they couldn't say it was EA's DNA until they went through the official channels to get the sample, and they didn't want to release that it is semen until the DNA was verified.

It makes sense to me, anyway

 

[SteveS]

Maybe someone else has the link, but I have looked a couple of times for it with no success; There was a news story in which an LE official mentioned the SA charge and said something to the effect that if we knew all of the evidence then that charge would make sense but he couldn't talk about it. I am paraphrasing this and I have been known to have a faulty memory.

Does anyone else remember this?

1 "The DNA evidence and the details that surround that... if we were able to release that, you would understand it more," said Plano police spokesman David Tilley. "Unfortunately, we're unable to release that."

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crime...case/20353567/

2 "There are other factors beyond the DNA that allowed us to get that search warrant*, and we're not releasing those details," Tilley said. "They did a lot of testing and they gathered a lot of evidence.

(*which is where we saw the SA angle was emphasized)

Tilley said that because the investigation has been so complex -- including large-scale ground searches -- police took significantly more time than usual to make an arrest.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/17/christina-morris_n_6343244.html

3 LE said: "This is just a small percentage of everything we’ve done. This is just the information we needed to get the arrest and search warrant" - - from B Feagans article at the same time, same interview

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Since its 1:40 am and I can't sleep, I'll throw out some thoughts and try to keep them from getting deleted.

There is one individual with whom it is known CM had contact via phone and text that night prior to her disappearance.

That person may have had reason to want her harmed, or to have not been upset if they heard harm had come to her.

That person may also have been able to supply EA with the "good rock" he was seeking. Perhaps not directly but this individual likely had a source.

I am curious as to what EA's personal relationship was with this individual because it's the only one I see as having any likelihood of involvement in any level. But there's no way to know without going into TOS violations so it's pointless.

I think the chances are greatest that EA acted alone. But I do see a small possibility of someone else's involvement to some degree, most likely disposing of her body.

At this point I still have hope that her body will be found, but I don't think it will reveal much of evidentiary value after all this time.

Pressing send now and hoping I was vague enough...

 

[SteveS]

I am curious as to what EA's personal relationship was with this individual because it's the only one I see as having any likelihood of involvement in any level. But there's no way to know without going into TOS violations so it's pointless.

Your thoughtful post is much appreciated. And EA certainly can be sleuthed.

The question should be "Who did he trust" and "Who would he have been willing to contact in a crisis" since, if he did contact someone for help, in the middle of an abduction, sex crime, murder, or whatever, it would have been someone he knew well and could trust completely.

In other words, the accomplice (if there was one) would have been there due to an EA connection, and a very close one. They may not have even known CM, and the motive would have had nothing to do with CM, but everything to do with helping EA. So looking at people who knew CM is essentially the wrong idea, since we're looking for someone very tied to EA. As to the ones speculated at times, there's been no hint at all that EA had that level of relationship (if any at all) with HF, and from what's been said, it's doubtful he knew any of the others at the party that well either.

Maybe he trusted family like that, to call in a crisis, or maybe not. Maybe he had a best friend, or a circle of close friends, or maybe not. Those are the sort of places to look. Then again, maybe he was a loner who always acted alone.

 

[EllieBee]

But he wouldn't have to necessarily trust anyone enough to ask them for help with Christina. I never said anyone else was involved with that. He would just have had to KNOW them enough to be heading that way when things went bad.

Which is why I keep saying any texts ARE important, not to implicate anyone else, but to help find where he may have put Christina.

I don't see why that gets people so upset. It is not sleuthing anyone else, it is not accusing anyone else. It simply trying to figure out where EA took Christina.

 

[Steleheart]

1 "The DNA evidence and the details that surround that... if we were able to release that, you would understand it more," said Plano police spokesman David Tilley. "Unfortunately, we're unable to release that."

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crime...case/20353567/

2 "There are other factors beyond the DNA that allowed us to get that search warrant*, and we're not releasing those details," Tilley said. "They did a lot of testing and they gathered a lot of evidence.

(*which is where we saw the SA angle was emphasized)

Tilley said that because the investigation has been so complex -- including large-scale ground searches -- police took significantly more time than usual to make an arrest.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/17/christina-morris_n_6343244.html

3 LE said: "This is just a small percentage of everything we’ve done. This is just the information we needed to get the arrest and search warrant" - - from B Feagans article at the same time, same interview

Right that's the quote. It was Tilley. Thank you. That link won't work but that statement says to me that there is far more evidence indicating SA than we are aware of. And since the affidavit is only enough needed to get the warrants, then that is the extent of evidence we know of. Until Discovery.

:cow:

 

[SteveS]

But he wouldn't have to necessarily trust anyone enough to ask them for help with Christina. I never said anyone else was involved with that. He would just have had to KNOW them enough to be heading that way when things went bad.

Which is why I keep saying any texts ARE important, not to implicate anyone else, but to help find where he may have put Christina.

I don't see why that gets people so upset. It is not sleuthing anyone else, it is not accusing anyone else. It simply trying to figure out where EA took Christina.

"But he wouldn't have to necessarily trust anyone enough to ask them for help with Christina."

Of course he would. You wouldn't ask a casual acquaintance or a near-stranger to help you hide a body or clean up a murder, sex assault, etc. It would be someone you know well enough to trust implicitly, so you don't end up on death row.

And there was no one else at the scene besides EA and CM, at least not that we know of. We saw her on video at 3:55, walking alongside EA. No one else. And within 5 minutes or less, she is somewhere in EA's vehicle, perhaps already in his TRUNK. They are both in his vehicle for about an hour at least, although she may have been in the trunk most or all of that time..

So if we're trying to think up an accomplice, it's a scenario logically in which EA probably has CM in his trunk and is reaching out for help to someone. That's someone he's trusting with his life, more or less. And those options imo would be very limited, if they exist at all.

As to the texts, unless there's one that's a request for the world's best place to hide a body, or for directions somewhere remote, can't see them as relevant to hiding a body. The last text occurred before we saw CM on video at 3:55, and in it she was fine and walking down the sidewalk to her car.

 

[SteveS]

Right that's the quote. It was Tilley. Thank you. That link won't work but that statement says to me that there is far more evidence indicating SA than we are arare of. And since the affidavit is only enough needed to get the warrants, then that is the extent of evidence we know of. Until Discovery.

:cow:

Actually we may not learn a thing more than we know now, about any of the evidence, until we see it at trial. Discovery process does not provide the list of evidence to the public to examine.

 

[zippixx]

Slightly O/T.. In speaking of EA's relationships to others & family, I still wonder why he spent a week in jail for the phone theft, with nobody coming to his rescue...

 

[Steleheart]

Actually we may not learn a thing more than we know now, about any of the evidence, until we see it at trial. Discovery process does not provide the list of evidence to the public to examine.

That's true and sometimes it's sealed until trial. I usually say "until after discovery" It would be like showing my hand before I place a bet, LOL

 

[heather.scissorhands]

I'd love to sleuth EA. What do we know? Especially that leads to locations. Where did he hang out?

Sports?[modsnip]
Hobbies in general?
Bars he liked?
Hunting?
Member of a church in a rural area?
Friends in towns nearby? (One lived near/at SAL)
Friends at all?
Family/extended family property near by?
Drug connections? (Had to at least buy weed from someone)
Purpose of burner phones?
Why did he still live at home?

Anyone wanna think about these questions?

He worked at a golf store, so he could be familiar with golf courses. He has interest in baseball, so he could be familiar with baseball fields. We know he liked phones and worked at the Sprint store. What else?

 

[frisson]

Slightly O/T.. In speaking of EA's relationships to others & family, I still wonder why he spent a week in jail for the phone theft, with nobody coming to his rescue...

Excellent point. No one came to his rescue in jail for phone theft, so I cant see anyone being ready to help with any other illegal activities or covering. I guess I have to wait for the trial to say anything further about what I think.

 

[Steleheart]

Excellent point. No one came to his rescue in jail for phone theft, so I cant see anyone being ready to help with any other illegal activities or covering. I guess I have to wait for the trial to say anything further about what I think.

Just IMO but if I helped him dispose of a body and he got his butt thrown in jail I am not going near him.

 

[Steleheart]

Anyone wanna think about these questions?

He worked at a golf store, so he could be familiar with golf courses. He has interest in baseball, so he could be familiar with baseball fields. We know he liked phones and worked at the Sprint store. What else?

IIRC he was on the FB friends lists of those he was with that night. I have not looked at their pages in months though.

 

[heather.scissorhands]

Yes, from my understanding he was better friends with the host than he was anyone else at the party.

 

[Mamamerced]

Slightly O/T.. In speaking of EA's relationships to others & family, I still wonder why he spent a week in jail for the phone theft, with nobody coming to his rescue...

My memory's getting rusty but i thought his parents didn't know he was in jail. Do you remember?

 

[zippixx]

My memory's getting rusty but i thought his parents didn't know he was in jail. Do you remember?

I remember hearing something like that, but don't know if it was ever confirmed.