GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #39 *Arrest*

[Woe.be.gone]

I can't believe there is still tension on this thread. Yall, this thread is for a missing woman whose mother just passed the anniversary of the last time she saw her daughter (on her daughter's 24th birthday) and we are at the 11 month mark of her disappearance.

Is there no way we could just all brainstorm without being reminded that the cops will figure it all out for us? Maybe some of us became attached and want to talk about possibilities. What could be so,offensive or non constructive about that? I'm just not getting the vibe here. Something is off.

Agree.

Plus, if skeleton remains are found anywhere in Texas, we have to trust tests are being conducted in order to identify them.
Any human remains found laying out in the elements are curious and need to be identified through DNA not based on the location they were found.
What's the big deal when we try to discuss them even if chances are slim they are related to Christina's case?

 

[SteveS]

"What's the big deal when we try to discuss them even if chances are slim they are related to Christina's case?"

I don't think anyone has made a big deal about them, either way. We bat around the location, and the relative likelihood that EA might have put her "here" each time more remains are found, because she's "somewhere" and some locations would be way more likely than others to be the right one. But we won't ever know the right spot for sure, only which ones seem more likely, until she is discovered.

 

[SteveS]

I generally lurk on these boards, but I take this case personally. I live in the Dallas area. I used to hang out at the Shops at Legacy, around 12-15 years ago. It was a fun place to shop and meet up with friends. I can’t imagine what Christina’s family is going through, but my heart goes out to them.

I’m sure this has been covered, but how long has Enrique’s family been living in Allen? I’m just thinking that if he lived there since he was a child, he had to have areas that he had explored, where he might have placed her. I would be interested if any of his childhood friends might have some ideas. I’m surprised that no one has come across Christina by now.

1 "how long has Enrique’s family been living in Allen?" At least 11 years.

2 Your idea that he may have put her in a place he had some familiarity with makes perfect sense. IMO mostly a place he had observed as being isolated, untended, easy to access, in some seclusion. But otoh I have doubts he would have left her in a place where he was personally closely associated, partly because that links to him if she's found, and also because I would think he desired to get her to a place completely out of his life and world.

 

[Cortne]

Hefty lawyer fees, combined with so many others knowing where they live-I'd be out of there, too

Yeah his family members were treated terribly. I'd be outta there as well. Jmo

 

[Chocoholic]

Yeah his family members were treated terribly. I'd be outta there as well. Jmo

I feel ya...who would want to stay put in a situation like this? Not these days when everything is so public. His family has suffered. I don't know of any wrong doing on their part...... Of course the upside is that his family knows where he is.

I think we can all agree that not knowing what happened to a family member, especially for the parents, has got to be excruciating. There is no sense to be made of this. It's mind boggling!! Poor Christina and all who love and care about her.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

"What's the big deal when we try to discuss them even if chances are slim they are related to Christina's case?"

I don't think anyone has made a big deal about them, either way. We bat around the location, and the relative likelihood that EA might have put her "here" each time more remains are found, because she's "somewhere" and some locations would be way more likely than others to be the right one. But we won't ever know the right spot for sure, only which ones seem more likely, until she is discovered.

He had a 4 day head start so in actuality her remains could be anywhere in or out of Texas. There is no real likely or unlikely area where Christina could be found. We also do not know if he disposed of her remains or enlisted some help. We only have LE's theory on that one. She is somewhere, but it encompasses a far larger area than people are considering, imo.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

He had a 4 day head start so in actuality her remains could be anywhere in or out of Texas. There is no real likely or unlikely area where Christina could be found. We also do not know if he disposed of her remains or enlisted some help. We only have LE's theory on that one. She is somewhere, but it encompasses a far larger area than people are considering, imo.

He didn't know he had 4 days, though. She was texting her boyfriend so as far as EA knew, she was due home by 6 am. He may have assumed he'd have an hour or so beyond that before HF was saying "hey, where's Christina?"

I think whatever he did with her happened between the surveillance video times (at the SAL and the gas station). It's possible but unlikely that anyone moved her body after he disposed of it.

I really think she ended up in a dumpster or at that construction site by SAL.

 

[jnblsm]

He didn't know he had 4 days, though. She was texting her boyfriend so as far as EA knew, she was due home by 6 am. He may have assumed he'd have an hour or so beyond that before HF was saying "hey, where's Christina?"

I think whatever he did with her happened between the surveillance video times (at the SAL and the gas station). It's possible but unlikely that anyone moved her body after he disposed of it.

I really think she ended up in a dumpster or at that construction site by SAL.

I agree. But what if he thought he'd be caught anyway, so he kept her? I mean, he might've figured he was in trouble, didn't know what to do with her (dead, or alive but hurt), and kept her somewhere. Then, when he realized no one knew she was missing, he had time to put her somewhere. Or sold her. Or something. I'm just throwing stuff out. So, imo, moo

 

[SteveS]

I'm inclined to believe he took her and left her "somewhere" in that early Sat window, between 8 and 10:15. Part of that is the idea as per MzOpinion8d that he would have been in a hurry to get her out of his world.

But I also think there is a ton of other stuff pointing that direction
1 by 11 on Sat, lots of damage to his car (I'm guessing off-roading, in a low-profile Camaro, looking for a hiding spot in a rural area imo)
2 by 11 on Sat lots of damage to his person (imo showing a fight with CM when he's doing his evil deeds to her)
3 the very fact that, when he most needed an alibi (Sat morn) for when she shows up missing later, he puts in a very brief show at work for a few minutes at 8 then leaves and shows up several hours later to actually go to work
...to me, the only thing he would have found more important than establishing an alibi for those first hours would be to get rid of her ...and he lied to the world later by claiming he was at work from 8 on, which to me says he felt those were the hours he felt a need to mask his actions ...and he hadnt overslept

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I'm inclined to believe he took her and left her "somewhere" in that early Sat window, between 8 and 10:15. Part of that is the idea as per MzOpinion8d that he would have been in a hurry to get her out of his world.

But I also think there is a ton of other stuff pointing that direction
1 by 11 on Sat, lots of damage to his car (I'm guessing off-roading, in a low-profile Camaro, looking for a hiding spot in a rural area imo)
2 by 11 on Sat lots of damage to his person (imo showing a fight with CM when he's doing his evil deeds to her)
3 the very fact that, when he most needed an alibi (Sat morn) for when she shows up missing later, he puts in a very brief show at work for a few minutes at 8 then leaves and shows up several hours later to actually go to work
...to me, the only thing he would have found more important than establishing an alibi for those first hours would be to get rid of her ...and he lied to the world later by claiming he was at work from 8 on, which to me says he felt those were the hours he felt a need to mask his actions ...and he hadnt overslept

BBM do you believe she was still alive at 8:00 AM whenn he showed up at work to establish alibi and then scuffled with her bettween by 11 when he showed body damage from a posible scurmish with her?

 

[JnRyan]

With sunrise that day around 0700 and twilight about 30 minutes to an hour before, I'm inclined to think whatever he did with Christina, he had done by 0630 or sooner. He didn't know how much time he had and as the sun started coming up he knew he was running out of the cover of darkness. He didn't know he had 4 days to work with. He may even heard her phone ringing or texts coming through in those early hours so he probably assumed there were others already wondering where she was. (I believe someone from the party at the apartment was trying to text her.)

What surprises me is I don't see EA as a hunter, hiker, mountain biker or any outdoor type. So I don't see his knowledge of places to hide evidence or a body outdoors as very extensive. I think he was either very lucky as he stumbled across a spot that he didn't normally frequent or he put her and everything else in a dumpster. That he damaged his car leads me to think he went to a place he was not that familiar with and either put everything and Christina there or aborted that and came back to a dumpster.

 

[SteveS]

BBM do you believe she was still alive at 8:00 AM whenn he showed up at work to establish alibi and then scuffled with her bettween by 11 when he showed body damage from a posible scurmish with her?

I work the time sequence backwards, in my thinking.

I start with thinking that the "end limit" for when he would have finished whatever he did with her and to her was before 10:15 am. By 11 at work, he has damage to his person and his car. And shortly before that, at 10:15, he's on video at the gas station, which to me is too close in time to 11 to think significant events happened between then and 11.

As for at what point before 10:15, we have:
1 he is making an attempted-alibi appearance at 8, but I don't know if we have witness observations either way as to the condition of him and his car at that point. All we know is that he came by, so he is awake and presumably dressed for work, and didn't stay for some compelling-to-him reason.
2 before that, we have him driving from the Shops area to his home from 5-5:30, generally
3 before that, we have him leaving the Shops with her in his car at 4ish and driving away and coming back before 4:45ish.

So that gives me two broad windows of time for him to get rid of her, one from about 5:30 to 8 (which also presumably has him changing for work and driving there) and the second from 8 to 10:15. And three windows of time in which he could have done something to her: from 3:45 to 5:30, from 5:30 to 8, or from 8 to 10:15.

I agree with JnRyan that daylight could have been a factor. But I think "gotta get rid of her" would have trumped that concern, if he wasnt done by 6:30 dawn or 7 sunrise. I can even see him taking her to hide, finds a place, gets started, hiding her, doing it quickly, and sun comes up and he's due at work - so he stops, runs home, tosses on work clothes, goes to work to try to make it look normal, then leaves and hurries back to finish the hiding process.

Or, maybe some other sequence. Just spitballing.

But other than knowing he got rid of her after he did whatever, I don't have anything that to me strongly limits the sequence of events further. I just figure all of it - whatever that entails - was done by 10:15, for the reasons I shared.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I thought he had SAID he was at work at 8, but evidence showed it wasn't until 11 that he actually arrived. Did he actually show up at work at 8?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

He didn't know he had 4 days, though. She was texting her boyfriend so as far as EA knew, she was due home by 6 am. He may have assumed he'd have an hour or so beyond that before HF was saying "hey, where's Christina?"

I think whatever he did with her happened between the surveillance video times (at the SAL and the gas station). It's possible but unlikely that anyone moved her body after he disposed of it.

I really think she ended up in a dumpster or at that construction site by SAL.

While I think he put her in a dumpster myself, it is still a 4 day window. We don't know what he did so we cannot be certain he didn't take 4 days to do it. He may not have known until late into the first 48 hours that no one was yet connecting the dots and trying to find her so he decided to do better job of it. Or we cannot say he acted alone (even if LE believes he did). She could be anywhere and there really is not a limit like is being said.

 

[leep]

I thought he had SAID he was at work at 8, but evidence showed it wasn't until 11 that he actually arrived. Did he actually show up at work at 8?

I think, he clocked in at 8:00am and then he left trying to make it look like he was their all day, but I could be wrong.

 

[zippixx]

I think, he clocked in at 8:00am and then he left trying to make it look like he was their all day, but I could be wrong.

If I recall (without finding the actual documentation), EA "said" he was there at 8, in the uncut interview. The co-workers stated he didn't arrive until almost 11:00.. So, it was just lip-service from EA, as far as an "alibi" goes.. (IIRC)

 

[SteveS]

As I understand it and recall:
1 he did stop by at or a bit before 8 (ie, his claim in an interview that 'I was at work at 8 so I couldn't have done something with CM' was a case of telling a half-truth, and imo showing a knowledge that the specific time frame of 8-11 was one to feign an alibi about)
2 staying for 5-10 minutes
3 he didn't clock in, he just made an appearance, and
4 then actually came to work (clocking in) at 11.

But that's my recollection, and it's been awhile since we looked at the actual statements. So there's that.

 

[heather.scissorhands]

We need to research this, because I thought e wasn't there at 8am, just said he was. Which changes the window quite a bit.

 

[zippixx]

We need to research this, because I thought e wasn't there at 8am, just said he was. Which changes the window quite a bit.

I don't think he was there at 8am... seems he would have had at least enough brain power to clock in, if he was indeed there.. I'll see if I can find something in the past articles/notes/documents... (when I have time- unless someone gets to it before I do)

 

[jnblsm]

I don't think he was there at 8am... seems he would have had at least enough brain power to clock in, if he was indeed there.. I'll see if I can find something in the past articles/notes/documents... (when I have time- unless someone gets to it before I do)

I'm looking right now. Does anyone remember something about clocking in with a thumbprint, or am I making that up?