GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #39 *Arrest*

[Steleheart]

This is something we've hashed out MANY times in the past and for which there is no REASONABLE haziness at this point.

If we work RATIONALLY, like evidence in a court, then we observe the following facts:
1 the witnesses all agree that the keys were lost AND FOUND ...and no one suggests otherwise
2 the picture of the keys was sent to HF after previously having texted/talked/messaged him to say they were missing, which backs up the same thing the witnesses say, and demonstrates the keys as having been found
3 the fact that she absolutely left the house to go to her car to drive home (an action that is a known fact), shows she had the keys, as she would not have rationally left without keys
4 the ongoing dialogue with (SN?) by phone after she left (an action that is a known fact), who was trying to double-check that she was good to drive rather than impaired, and who received assurances of the same, demonstrates that both CM and (SN?) were acting in a manner that says she had her keys and was going to drive herself home - which she could not have done, and would not have planned to do, without having keys to do so.

In total, the record is not hazy as to whether she had her keys when going to her car. It's very clear she did, and there is nothing that really casts any doubt on it. I don't think anyone involved in the case (witness, LE, anyone) has any thoughts that she was missing her keys, there is nothing to suggest they were missing at that point, and imo it would be a red herring and create needless confusion to inject such a fictional narrative into the discussion here.

I agree that she found her keys and that they were apparently walking toward their own cars in the garage, but as yet, I have not discounted the fact that in that walk she made the decision to go with EA. Maybe she was frustrated with her BF. We know EA was frustrated. Perhaps in their long term friendship she made that one time decision to spend some time with him and EA pushed it beyond what she was ready for.

We have no evidence to the contrary and while evidence against is not necessarily evidence for, I see no reason to discount that plausibility.

MOO

 

[CookieM]

I don't think there is anything wrong with throwing out ideas and making speculations. Back in the day, when this thread was super active many of us did that quite a bit. I actually stopped posting and then eventually even stopped bothering to read this thread because tbh I get so tired of people's ideas being shot down at every turn.

Public Service Announcement #1: It is not necessary to comment contrary to every single person's ideas. It is okay to think IN YOUR OWN MIND, "Wow! What a dumb idea!" and refrain from posting. The only person who has all the answers is God and the guilty party. As far as I know, neither are posting here. Everyone is free to speculate.

Public Service Announcement #2: The ignore feature is gold!

Just giving my opinion.

 

[zippixx]

(modsnip)

RATIONALLY? Low blow.

I HAVE YET TO SEE THE PIC OF THE KEYS. I have yet to see anything other than her walking into the garage with EA.

The picture of the keys was never released AFAIK.. it was only mentioned in the arrest warrant, so I guess LE is the only one that has seen it...

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Obviously, EA would have gone AWAY FROM "where everything is" if he wanted to be unseen and hide a person or a body. He had every reason to go to some place deserted, rural, woodsy, and obscure, so imo going to Dallas and to the heavily populated areas would be the polar opposite of what EA would have been doing early Sat morning with CM in his trunk

Sometimes you stick out more in a rural place than in a more crowded place. I think it's a possibility EA could have dumped her in the Dallas area to set up HF or as someone else said to blame it on the element of an undesired area.

Fact remains that we do not have an idea of where he went between the hours of the last known (known to us anyway) ping and when he showed back up getting gas.

Regarding the keys, I think it's logical tto think she had her car keys but why did she tell HF she didn't have her house key?

 

[SteveS]

I agree that she found her keys and that they were apparently walking toward their own cars in the garage, but as yet, I have not discounted the fact that in that walk she made the decision to go with EA. Maybe she was frustrated with her BF. We know EA was frustrated. Perhaps in their long term friendship she made that one time decision to spend some time with him and EA pushed it beyond what she was ready for.

We have no evidence to the contrary and while evidence against is not necessarily evidence for, I see no reason to discount that plausibility.

Oh, I don't disagree with this idea at all, that she MIGHT have gotten into EA's car willingly, for some unknown reason. I was just responding to the (modsnip) idea that says she didn't even have her keys, when every evidence and witness are all saying she did.

But as you note, the fact she clearly had her keys doesn't tell us why she was in EA's car when she left the garage. Maybe it was voluntary, and she was riding in the front at that point of exiting the garage, or maybe she was already IN HIS TRUNK and had no choice. If there is definitive evidence saying either way, I haven't seen it.

 

[SteveS]

Sometimes you stick out more in a rural place than in a more crowded place. I think it's a possibility EA could have dumped her in the Dallas area to set up HF or as someone else said to blame it on the element of an undesired area.

Fact remains that we do not have an idea of where he went between the hours of the last known (known to us anyway) ping and when he showed back up getting gas.

Fair enough. While I think that logically he would have gone to some place deserted (relatively speaking), it's true we just don't know, and it didn't have to be a place that anyone (including me) would guess. LE will let us know, in due course, if this is her.

Regarding the keys, I think it's logical tto think she had her car keys but why did she tell HF she didn't have her house key?

Because at the moment she said that, apparently she couldn't find her keys.

Then a while later, she found them and told him she had, and also sent him a pic to make it clear. And then she and her friends all said and acted in a manner that demonstrated she had indeed found her keys.

There is no real mystery to the keys. Lost, then clearly found, and everyone at the after party said it and knew it, and acted accordingly.

 

[Bootsctr]

I don't know if she even lost her keys either - that information came from a blog that gave incorrect information. It's the same blog that said Hunter was at home sleeping... and Christina was going home to get her dog.

Rationally thinking, I think the 2 keys were code for drugs. Is it irrational to think that? AND in light of the text "Could I get some of that good rock?" does it not make sense that her disappearance could involve DRUGS??? The text was found on Foster's phone sent by Arochi per the probable cause hearing. We only have SN's word as to the context of their conversation as Christina went to the parking garage. He should have walked her to the garage like a gentleman since THEY ALL knew EA was PO'd after SB rejected his "romantic" interlude to not sleep on the couch with him...

None of this is rational when you think about it. None of it makes any sense. You can't trust any of these people. It just doesn't make sense that EA would get this lucky in not finding Christina's body after a year. He's not that smart. There is someone behind this that is smarter than him, not by much, but somebody else. Like a good poster said, "There's a reason these two people are behind bars." Now that sounds rational to me.

 

[zippixx]

Sometimes you stick out more in a rural place than in a more crowded place. I think it's a possibility EA could have dumped her in the Dallas area to set up HF or as someone else said to blame it on the element of an undesired area.

Fact remains that we do not have an idea of where he went between the hours of the last known (known to us anyway) ping and when he showed back up getting gas.

Regarding the keys, I think it's logical tto think she had her car keys but why did she tell HF she didn't have her house key?

It seems more logical that EA would go out to an isolated area, depending where his head was. But I agree, if I was a cop, out on FM-"whatever", in the middle of nowhere, at 6:00-7:00am & a gray sporty Camaro with dark tinted windows zoomed past me & was the only car on the road.. I would probably do a double-take, especially on labor-day weekend when I'm looking for drunks. He would fit in better, cruising down 635-Central-35, when some people were going to work, with more traffic. But even then, he would need to get off the main road somewhere to dispose of CM.. Hard to say what his mind-set, thought process was! He was probably still fairly intoxicated from the party..

 

[Steleheart]

(modsnip)

RATIONALLY? Low blow.

I HAVE YET TO SEE THE PIC OF THE KEYS. I have yet to see anything other than her walking into the garage with EA.

The picture of the keys was well publicized in the beginning but I did not save it. It is described in the affidavit.
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...-11e4-8cbb-1f4760146008/54946c2148a9a.pdf.pdf

Honestly I grow weary of trying to do the sleuthing for other members and provide the links that they should have noted in all this time. One can easily read the affidavit and do the sleuthing that a sleuther can do.

(modsnip)

THAT'S MY OPINION.

That's what MOO means :cow:

 

[CookieM]

It seems more logical that EA would go out to an isolated area, depending where his head was. But I agree, if I was a cop, out on FM-"whatever", in the middle of nowhere, at 6:00-7:00am & a gray sporty Camaro with dark tinted windows zoomed past me & was the only car on the road.. I would probably do a double-take, especially on labor-day weekend when I'm looking for drunks. He would fit in better cruising down 635-Central-35, when some people were going to work, with more traffic. But even then, he would need to get off the main road somewhere to dispose of CM.. Hard to say what his mind-set, thought process was! He was probably still fairly intoxicated from the party..

Of course we can't even be sure that he would have been driving that particular vehicle at that point. Moo.

 

[zippixx]

Of course we can't even be sure that he would have been driving that particular vehicle at that point. Moo.

Yeah, I guess a lot of things are possible. I'm assuming he stayed in his car, because of the damage & DNA. IF there was a large quantity of blood, I don't think he would want to transfer her into another vehicle... but who knows?

 

[Bootsctr]

Of course we can't even be sure that he would have been driving that particular vehicle at that point. Moo.

Brilliant point! Pool pops for everyone!

 

[CookieM]

Yeah, I guess a lot of things are possible. I'm assuming he stayed in his car, because of the damage & DNA. IF there was a large quantity of blood, I don't think he would want to transfer her into another vehicle... but who knows?

Exactly, who knows! People do crazy stuff (obviously!) If you think about it, he may not have even realized how much blood was in his trunk. Think about it: it was dark, I'd guess his carpet was grey, if not black. What if she was transferred out and then later he thinks that he'll just clean up the spot in the trunk and then realizes that there is a larger mess than he expected to find. Maybe this is why the "clean up" took longer than expected and required more cleaners and time than just that morning. If you've ever spilled something into carpet, then you know that even when the surface looks decent, you can feel like the mess is never-ending once you get going with a carpet cleaner or shop vac. Pull the carpet back and whatever you've spilled has spread into a much larger area underneath than you realized.

Moo.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Fair enough. While I think that logically he would have gone to some place deserted (relatively speaking), it's true we just don't know, and it didn't have to be a place that anyone (including me) would guess. LE will let us know, in due course, if this is her.



Because at the moment she said that, apparently she couldn't find her keys.

Then a while later, she found them and told him she had, and also sent him a pic to make it clear. And then she and her friends all said and acted in a manner that demonstrated she had indeed found her keys.

There is no real mystery to the keys. Lost, then clearly found, and everyone at the after party said it and knew it, and acted accordingly.

BBM but she texted him to leave the door unlocked while on her way to the car.

 

[Coldpizza]

Time to add links when posting facts again folks.

Thanks

 

[Steleheart]

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...-11e4-8cbb-1f4760146008/54946c2148a9a.pdf.pdf


"Affiant reviewed the forensic report of Foster’s phone . Affiant observed messages containing photographs received on Foster’s cell phone from Christina Morris’s cell phone number. Affiant observed a photograph in a message dated August 30, 2014 at 0234 hours. The photograph appeared to be a female 's hand holding two (2) individual keys. Affiant also observed what appeared to be a gold colored ring on the middle finger of the person's hand . Affiant believes, based on the content of the messages and a photograph of Morris herself just prior to the photograph of the keys' being sent from the same phone number that the keys and ring belonged to Morris, and they were in her possession on the date she disappeared."

MANY members have taken the time to manually transcribe the actual text from the affidavit which is basically a photographic pdf which cannot be copy and pasted. It requires manually reading and typing what it says. That is the work that sleuthers do.

MOO

 

[Steleheart]

[SUP][/SUP]

Oh, I don't disagree with this idea at all, that she MIGHT have gotten into EA's car willingly, for some unknown reason. I was just responding to the (modsnip) idea that says she didn't even have her keys, when every evidence and witness are all saying she did.

But as you note, the fact she clearly had her keys doesn't tell us why she was in EA's car when she left the garage. Maybe it was voluntary, and she was riding in the front at that point of exiting the garage, or maybe she was already IN HIS TRUNK and had no choice. If there is definitive evidence saying either way, I haven't seen it.

So then I end up, going back to HIS going back and forth while she may have been "IHT" and finally realizing that her phone was on the floor in the front, HAHA. The buffoon who worked in the phone business, because he had acted IRATIONALLY and was in a panic not realizing they were both pinging?

MOO

 

[geevee]

I think it was back when there was discussion about CM selling purses (Chanel?) someone posted a pic of a hand holding two keys, it may have been the pic mentioned in the affidavit, I didn't save it but I do recall seeing it posted here back then.

 

[CuriousinNY]

I totally forgot about Logan.

 

[DexterMorgan]

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...-11e4-8cbb-1f4760146008/54946c2148a9a.pdf.pdf


"Affiant reviewed the forensic report of Foster’s phone . Affiant observed messages containing photographs received on Foster’s cell phone from Christina Morris’s cell phone number. Affiant observed a photograph in a message dated August 30, 2014 at 0234 hours. The photograph appeared to be a female 's hand holding two (2) individual keys. Affiant also observed what appeared to be a gold colored ring on the middle finger of the person's hand . Affiant believes, based on the content of the messages and a photograph of Morris herself just prior to the photograph of the keys' being sent from the same phone number that the keys and ring belonged to Morris, and they were in her possession on the date she disappeared."

MANY members have taken the time to manually transcribe the actual text from the affidavit which is basically a photographic pdf which cannot be copy and pasted. It requires manually reading and typing what it says. That is the work that sleuthers do.

MOO

Or you can screen shoot it and crop it and save it as jpeg and post it . Jmo