TX TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #6

[Ajs1004]

Honestly, that is shocking and does not look good (and given it came from the detective, it doesn't seem likely that LE was responsible for the length of time it took SB to get himself to the hospital).

If my husband were shot, I'd break speed laws getting myself to his side as I'd be concerned whether he'd survive and if not (God forbid), whether I'd have enough time to share any last words or a last touch (EVEN if medical professionals told me he was not in a condition to hear or feel either).

My husband died in March. Only a few rooms from me. I had to BEG to see him. I wanted to go in there when I figured out what was happening and they wouldn’t let me. And they only gave me 15 minutes with him. Sergio hanging out talking to the media after just makes me think either he wasn’t aware of her condition or he was emotionally checked out by then.

 

[x_files]

My husband died in March. Only a few rooms from me. I had to BEG to see him. I wanted to go in there when I figured out what was happening and they wouldn’t let me. And they only gave me 15 minutes with him. Sergio hanging out talking to the media after just makes me think either he wasn’t aware of her condition or he was emotionally checked out by then.

I am sorry to hear about your husband...I feel the same way NOTHING could keep me away, and I mean NOTHING unless I was handcuffed.
Maybe S liked the media attention? Is he an extrovert or an introvert?

 

[Charlot123]

I agree. No one plants 3 bullets in someone's face/head without knowing who it is. Not a crazy person. Not a total stranger.

IMO, this is someone known to the Barrazas. If it is true that SB had no idea who it was, then it is part of her separate life in the Star Wars Cosplay world.

That would be very rare.

iMO.

While I think that the world is full of unhinged people who might blame Liz for nothing (someone paranoid believing Liz jinxed them, for example), the killer is not a random person to Liz. The killer is organized. And one more thing that's suspicious is that somehow, Liz was left alone. It is as if everyone relied on someone else. First, on dad, but dad was job-hunting. Then, on mom, but mom was not a morning person so she probably relied on SB. SB might have said, I'll wait, but then left. It somehow is linked to either S leaving earlier than he promised to the Bs, or did he, too, rely on someone else helping Liz? Was he told, "OK, I'll come and help?"

I am not necessarily suspicious of SB, I really have no reason to be, with the information i have today. I just think that he might be too scared to spill all the beans. Lots of things in his behavior might be related to fear, as he has a new family.

 

[lonewanderer]

Honestly, that is shocking and does not look good (and given it came from the detective, it doesn't seem likely that LE was responsible for the length of time it took SB to get himself to the hospital).

If my husband were shot, I'd break speed laws getting myself to his side as I'd be concerned whether he'd survive and if not (God forbid), whether I'd have enough time to share any last words or a last touch (EVEN if medical professionals told me he was not in a condition to hear or feel either).

I am sorry to hear about your husband...I feel the same way NOTHING could keep me away, and I mean NOTHING unless I was handcuffed.
Maybe S liked the media attention? Is he an extrovert or an introvert?

Did you watch the dashcam footage?

He asks multiple times to see her, multiple times asks if she is ok.

The police report and the dashcam footage SEVERELY contradict each other.

 

[Charlot123]

I am sorry to hear about your husband...I feel the same way NOTHING could keep me away, and I mean NOTHING unless I was handcuffed.
Maybe S liked the media attention? Is he an extrovert or an introvert?

An introvert, I'd guess, and I have seen such hysterical reaction in introverts feeling everything around them was out of control.

 

[Sjöberg]

The police report and the dashcam footage SEVERELY contradict each other.

When I saw the video, I started to feel that this case might never end up in court.
It feels like the police were initially so sure that it must have been the husband, one way or the other, that they ignored other options and crucial data or proof might have been missed. MOO

 

[x_files]

Did you watch the dashcam footage?

He asks multiple times to see her, multiple times asks if she is ok.

The police report and the dashcam footage SEVERELY contradict each other.

Asking but why didn't he go straight to the hospital was he prevented from going? If so, why?

 

[KindMind1ofA]

Asking but why didn't he go straight to the hospital was he prevented from going? If so, why?

As I understand it, he was prevented from going - at least for a while, because the police wanted to talk with him .. whether he was 'technically' a person-of-interest or not, he was definitely and naturally a person of interest from a practical standpoint. Liz's parents also stayed there with him initially because they thought that's what Liz would want.

I've been away from the case for a few months and wasnt aware of the dashcam footage or the detective statements to the parents that they will be devastated about the arrests.. I've got some catching up to do!

 

[FromGermany1]

…arrived in the afternoon??

Maybe, he meanwhile knew, his wife was only kept alive because of organ donations?

 

[somequestions]

There are some very strange elements to this case. But first let's go through a scenario.

What if there had not been a garage sale on the morning of the murder? Would the plan of the murderer have been to go to the Barraza house after Sergio left, ring the doorbell, and then shoot Liz before running back to the truck to leave? If that had happened, there would have been much better identification as the Barraza's had a doorbell camera.

There is one element of this case that would really bother me if I was a detective. Supposedly the Nisson Frontier Pro-4X truck was driving around the neighborhood in the early morning hours, supposedly to check out the neighborhood. Yet on the morning of the murder after the murderer shot Elizabeth Barraza they first left heading back to Kuykendahl Road, but then turned around and passed the Barraza house again a minute or two later. People theorize this was to make sure Elizabeth Barraza was dead. Ironically, at that time, she was barely still alive.

Now there is a youtube video that shows after passing by the Barraza house again after the murder, the Nissan Frontier Pro-4X keeps driving around the subdivision missing a road to turn left on to get back to Kuykendahl Road and instead ending up in a dead end cul-de-sac area where it is theorized the truck went off road in some way to get back to Kuykendahl or another road to get out of the area.

Isn't that sort of strange that when the murderer was driving around in the early morning hours, potentially scouting the area and where the Barraza's lived, that they did not think about knowing the exit streets to get back to the main road, Kuykendahl Road? I am not from that area, but even I can tell by looking at a map how easy it is to enter the subdivision to find the Barraza house off Kuykendahl Road. It seemed so strange that the murderer, even with advanced planning, still got lost(or lives in the cul-de-sac area?)

Then there is the gun. If you have watched the surveillance footage of the actual murder, the one thing you can tell is the murderer seems to be familiar with the weapon. I think the murderer used this gun before for other things, like to maybe to go shooting at a shooting range? The strange part is that there is no way once you hear how loud the gunshots are that the murderer did not think that a loud gun like that might attract neighbors to look outside their windows in the morning to see what was going on. Maybe that is why they ran so quickly back to the truck because they knew there was still a small chance they might be recognized even if they already had plans to dispose of the Nissan Frontier Pro-4X.

Even in the movies, it seems like if a police officer has a revolver, people refer to them as old school. I do not know if the murderer is a male or female. With the outfit that was worn, maybe it is a female who thinks they are a male or vice versa? Lastly, I think if anyone had dogs that the loud gunshots might have frightened their dogs. I know that sometimes when fireworks go off that dogs get frightened by the sound. These are my opinions about the Elizabeth Barraza case.

 

[Cryptic]

Something tells me the killer got a heads up about the garage sale and took that opportunity to kill Liz.

Though some information casts the garage sale as barely announced, possible high end, 501 Legion approved cosplay gear offered for sale could have been announced separately on hobby message boards or social media. If so, this would make news of the garage sale wider spread- at least amongst a certain hobby interest.

One of the sale items along the drive way looks kind of "Storm Trooper helmet'ish". If so, this could support the idea of the garage sale being more widely known amongst the hobby crowd. Thus, as you state, increase the possibility that the killer acted on receiving news of a garage sale.

 

[Sjöberg]

There is one element of this case that would really bother me if I was a detective. Supposedly the Nisson Frontier Pro-4X truck was driving around the neighborhood in the early morning hours, supposedly to check out the neighborhood. Yet on the morning of the murder after the murderer shot Elizabeth Barraza they first left heading back to Kuykendahl Road, but then turned around and passed the Barraza house again a minute or two later. People theorize this was to make sure Elizabeth Barraza was dead. Ironically, at that time, she was barely still alive.

Now there is a youtube video that shows after passing by the Barraza house again after the murder, the Nissan Frontier Pro-4X keeps driving around the subdivision missing a road to turn left on to get back to Kuykendahl Road and instead ending up in a dead end cul-de-sac area where it is theorized the truck went off road in some way to get back to Kuykendahl or another road to get out of the area.

Isn't that sort of strange that when the murderer was driving around in the early morning hours, potentially scouting the area and where the Barraza's lived, that they did not think about knowing the exit streets to get back to the main road, Kuykendahl Road? I am not from that area, but even I can tell by looking at a map how easy it is to enter the subdivision to find the Barraza house off Kuykendahl Road. It seemed so strange that the murderer, even with advanced planning, still got lost(or lives in the cul-de-sac area?)

The logistics really are odd. I do not understand what were they scouting the night before - if "scouting" was the aim of that very late night quick drive by. Maybe it was something else.

As for why does the killer turn back, I lean towards them realizing that cops are on the way there: either from hearing sirens, seeing the lights of the police car, listening to a police scanner or even a warning from an accomplice.

There are also the 2 odd stops before arriving at the murder place: one at the school and one "on a different street". What is the killer doing during these stops? Why are they not thinking that a school might have cameras? What is this second location (and why is it worded so vaguely)?

We are lacking some bits and pieces here to make it make sense. MOO

 

[lonewanderer]

Asking but why didn't he go straight to the hospital was he prevented from going? If so, why?

As I understand it, he was prevented from going - at least for a while, because the police wanted to talk with him .. whether he was 'technically' a person-of-interest or not, he was definitely and naturally a person of interest from a practical standpoint. Liz's parents also stayed there with him initially because they thought that's what Liz would want.

I've been away from the case for a few months and wasnt aware of the dashcam footage or the detective statements to the parents that they will be devastated about the arrests.. I've got some catching up to do!

Maybe, he meanwhile knew, his wife was only kept alive because of organ donations?

The officers explain to him that they have to gather some information from him.

Was Liz airlifted? This may have caused complications getting Sergio there.

Just as KindMind was saying, Sergio would naturally be a POI. It is likely the officer were gauging his sincerity about the situation. In many cases, a murder-for-hire or a "I just found him/her like that, must have been an intruder" the cops can gauge fake remorse or extreme overreaction pretending to be devastated.

 

[somequestions]

The logistics really are odd. I do not understand what were they scouting the night before - if "scouting" was the aim of that very late night quick drive by. Maybe it was something else.

As for why does the killer turn back, I lean towards them realizing that cops are on the way there: either from hearing sirens, seeing the lights of the police car, listening to a police scanner or even a warning from an accomplice.

There are also the 2 odd stops before arriving at the murder place: one at the school and one "on a different street". What is the killer doing during these stops? Why are they not thinking that a school might have cameras? What is this second location (and why is it worded so vaguely)?

We are lacking some bits and pieces here to make it make sense. MOO

Does the murderer pass the same house multiple times during their planning in the hours before the murder? I wondered this question because of the sound of the gun.

I forgot about the school when entering the subdivision area from Kuykendahl Road. That is a great question that you asked: "Why are they not thinking that a school might have cameras?"

I guess it was just luck. Maybe it was.

 

[arielilane]

This stands out to me as well because he was quick to name someone. Then he never mentioned her again. Didnt say a word about his dad until the Paula Zahn interview, meanwhile his dad was present at the crime stoppers conference like a day or two after her death.

According to the video footage it went from he didn't even what to consider it ... to, "we are a part of a charity group and we’re going through these little election and there’re a couple of people that just dont get along with us… but not enough to come over and shoot my wife… to... it is a woman, and a name is provided."

Benefit of the doubt: supposed he may have seen shooter in video, since he claimed to have watched the Nest cam footage, and decided on a lone female? He's in shock. No one knows how you're going to reaction in any situation.
idk. moo

 

[arielilane]

While I think that the world is full of unhinged people who might blame Liz for nothing (someone paranoid believing Liz jinxed them, for example), the killer is not a random person to Liz. The killer is organized. And one more thing that's suspicious is that somehow, Liz was left alone. It is as if everyone relied on someone else. First, on dad, but dad was job-hunting. Then, on mom, but mom was not a morning person so she probably relied on SB. SB might have said, I'll wait, but then left. It somehow is linked to either S leaving earlier than he promised to the Bs, or did he, too, rely on someone else helping Liz? Was he told, "OK, I'll come and help?"

I am not necessarily suspicious of SB, I really have no reason to be, with the information i have today. I just think that he might be too scared to spill all the beans. Lots of things in his behavior might be related to fear, as he has a new family.

agreed. I'd like to add that the killer most likely organized because the killer had inside help/information. The timing can't be ignored. moo

 

[arielilane]

Did you watch the dashcam footage?

He asks multiple times to see her, multiple times asks if she is ok.

The police report and the dashcam footage SEVERELY contradict each other.

I know you were not asking me if I watched the dash cam video, but wanted to chime in, anyway. Yes, I watched it - a lot! Many times. And plan to watch it again.

Thought he asked some interesting questions, and, yes, he asked about his wife's well being and there are other conflicting info in the report, besides, whether S asked about Liz, unfortunately. One day, that report may be used in a court of law.

It was not a pleasant day for all involved, some more than others.

jmo

 

[arielilane]

There are some very strange elements to this case. But first let's go through a scenario.

What if there had not been a garage sale on the morning of the murder? Would the plan of the murderer have been to go to the Barraza house after Sergio left, ring the doorbell, and then shoot Liz before running back to the truck to leave? If that had happened, there would have been much better identification as the Barraza's had a doorbell camera.

There is one element of this case that would really bother me if I was a detective. Supposedly the Nisson Frontier Pro-4X truck was driving around the neighborhood in the early morning hours, supposedly to check out the neighborhood. Yet on the morning of the murder after the murderer shot Elizabeth Barraza they first left heading back to Kuykendahl Road, but then turned around and passed the Barraza house again a minute or two later. People theorize this was to make sure Elizabeth Barraza was dead. Ironically, at that time, she was barely still alive.

Now there is a youtube video that shows after passing by the Barraza house again after the murder, the Nissan Frontier Pro-4X keeps driving around the subdivision missing a road to turn left on to get back to Kuykendahl Road and instead ending up in a dead end cul-de-sac area where it is theorized the truck went off road in some way to get back to Kuykendahl or another road to get out of the area.

Isn't that sort of strange that when the murderer was driving around in the early morning hours, potentially scouting the area and where the Barraza's lived, that they did not think about knowing the exit streets to get back to the main road, Kuykendahl Road? I am not from that area, but even I can tell by looking at a map how easy it is to enter the subdivision to find the Barraza house off Kuykendahl Road. It seemed so strange that the murderer, even with advanced planning, still got lost(or lives in the cul-de-sac area?)

Then there is the gun. If you have watched the surveillance footage of the actual murder, the one thing you can tell is the murderer seems to be familiar with the weapon. I think the murderer used this gun before for other things, like to maybe to go shooting at a shooting range? The strange part is that there is no way once you hear how loud the gunshots are that the murderer did not think that a loud gun like that might attract neighbors to look outside their windows in the morning to see what was going on. Maybe that is why they ran so quickly back to the truck because they knew there was still a small chance they might be recognized even if they already had plans to dispose of the Nissan Frontier Pro-4X.

Even in the movies, it seems like if a police officer has a revolver, people refer to them as old school. I do not know if the murderer is a male or female. With the outfit that was worn, maybe it is a female who thinks they are a male or vice versa? Lastly, I think if anyone had dogs that the loud gunshots might have frightened their dogs. I know that sometimes when fireworks go off that dogs get frightened by the sound. These are my opinions about the Elizabeth Barraza case.

I am probably way off but have always wondered if the killer (after committing the homicide) never left the neighborhood, and pulled into a garage... however, LE pulling over a black truck that morning right after the homicide (around 7:11 am ) is concerning, and such a mystery. So perhaps the truck did drive up through the Greenbelt area cul-de-sac? jmo

 

[Sjöberg]

When re-looking at the timeline of her name searches on google, I wonder if something noteworthy happened in Liz's life in the first week of August 2018, half a year before her murder. While the main increase is in December and January (and I think that one lines up quite well and might be connected to the crime), there is also that first "higher" period that starts on the week of 5-11th of August. If she posted anything public or attended any noteworthy events or was in any other way "(re-/)discoverable" in early August, I'd be interested to see where these dots could connect to.

Of course, there are also other people with the same name and the searches might be related to someone else.

I also still wonder if the killer was a male or a female. When I only look at the images, I lean heavily towards a woman. When I listen to the audio, I lean towards a male. I don't think Liz appears to recognize this person initially. She might, later, though. The killing feels personal to me, I think the shooter was the person that wanted her dead. So someone Liz would not expect in the context of an early morning garage sale in Tomball, stepping out of a black truck?

MOO

 

[glassheater]

I am probably way off but have always wondered if the killer (after committing the homicide) never left the neighborhood, and pulled into a garage... however, LE pulling over a black truck that morning right after the homicide (around 7:11 am ) is concerning, and such a mystery. So perhaps the truck did drive up through the Greenbelt area cul-de-sac? jmo

The truck was seen on various cameras off Kukendahl road after the murder before they lost track.