TX TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #6

[Facinatingtimes]

I just watched the Paula Zahn episode - thanks for the recommendation!

So SB says in his interview earlier this year with Grace White on KHOU that he has not claimed the life insurance money, and he he says to PZ that he doesn’t talk to his father. Hmmm.

I stand corrected on the garage sale not being a factor. More people than I thought knew about it. And the idea that it created a situation where she was both there alone AND SB was elsewhere with people is very telling IMO.

i just hope they can gather enough solid evidence to make an arrest and bring justice for Liz.

 

[dub]

Also, most noteworthy to me, the victims were always women. I have yet to see a case with a murders concealed identity where a man was the victim and the perps gender was debated for male or female.

SBM - Scott Ratigan is one.

And although I don’t have a specific suspect here, for what it’s worth I agree with you that the perp probably is a woman wearing her normal clothes. I do think it’s possible she is wearing a wig, but apart from that I don’t believe there’s a disguise element here.

 

[Charlot123]

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I think the transplant theory is very far fetched. Imo. Why shoot someone in the head/face if you want them to definitely live long enough to be taken to hospital so that the organs cab be harvested? Also the risk of missing and damaging the organ you want.

I'm not on board.

In fact, this is exactly what made me think of it, how badly executed it was from all aspects but time. Time-wise, and wound-wise, it was excellently planned if you look at the results. And, the wounds were fatal but lots of organs could be harvested. (A wound in the face, but both corneas intact, for example. The person seems to know anatomy.) I agree, though, the theory it is far-fetched. I am merely a little bit perplexed by the lack of any movement in LB case in five years. I am beginning to wonder if perhaps the most obvious suspects' alibis are true, and whether no valid information can be further obtained from any source. I also think that if Liz was careful with her sales, she might have been more careful and guarded in general, and discussed less than others with her friends. (If the audio phrase "it is not worthy of it" is indeed what was said, one wonders if it is a repetition of a phrase that Liz once had uttered to someone who kept grudge. But, with the audio, one can never be sure what one hears).

If the murder stays unsolved, transplants is simply an angle to look at unexplained, unconnected murders in several states.

 

[lonewanderer]

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In fact, this is exactly what made me think of it, how badly executed it was from all aspects but time. Time-wise, and wound-wise, it was excellently planned if you look at the results. And, the wounds were fatal but lots of organs could be harvested. (A wound in the face, but both corneas intact, for example. The person seems to know anatomy.) I agree, though, the theory it is far-fetched. I am merely a little bit perplexed by the lack of any movement in LB case in five years. I am beginning to wonder if perhaps the most obvious suspects' alibis are true, and whether no valid information can be further obtained from any source. I also think that if Liz was careful with her sales, she might have been more careful and guarded in general, and discussed less than others with her friends. (If the audio phrase "it is not worthy of it" is indeed what was said, one wonders if it is a repetition of a phrase that Liz once had uttered to someone who kept grudge. But, with the audio, one can never be sure what one hears).

If the murder stays unsolved, transplants is simply an angle to look at unexplained, unconnected murders in several states.

There is a transplant theory?

That is a little off the rails for me....

 

[Charlot123]

I know some about “the donor” list from experience (kidney = stepfather). It could be different from my family members.

It’s really a crap shoot…meaning who is next in line on the list for a specific organ. The recipient does not know where they stand on that list. My stepdad was lucky enough (after years of waiting) to receive the call.., he had a gash on his leg and he was rejected...second call was years later. Actually the day he died. We were so excited and rushed over there to see why he wasn’t answering the phone. He was dead on the couch.

My point is the recipient always has to be healthy, no drinking, and get mandated medical, tests, dentals etc. to remain on the list….be compatible depending on organ. I believe the “list” is limited to your state… not sure.

However, in my research for this case I did see you can specify whom you want to donate to.

I don’t believe this is the killers motive but…you never know.

Not the state. The country, maybe, for solid organs. I know for bone marrow, it might be so that EU has own. I knew of a girl who was on two European lists, but BM is different.

I think there is an algorithm that pushes people up or down the waiting list, the article I linked mentioned some points for kids.

But the way the algorithm works, if your relative is a live donor and you will need a donation in the future, the fact that he donated does push you to on the top, automatically.

I would say, the recipient may know, it is more difficult to get a list of HLA-matching donors, but I suspect there may be other ways to find out. I am not going to get into details, but there might be. Plus, I constantly read about data breaches, and assume everyone is after patients’ credit cards and SSN, but not necessarily

 

[Charlot123]

There is a transplant theory?

That is a little off the rails for me....

Let us wait till the arrest then. If it doesn’t happen in one year, happy to come back to it again, with well-known facts as well as controversial one. (But I hope there will be an arrest).

 

[x_files]

According to the detective in the Paula Zahn special, SB is definitely not cleared and high on the suspect list. He didn't say he was the only suspect, just that everyone else has been cleared. For more precise wording, I'd suggest watching the episode or reading the last thread.

Thank you, I did watch the special but I wasn't sure if we are allowed to discuss that here. I was being cautious.
I too feel two or more are involved in the conspiracy to commit murder, one shooter, possibly two in the get-a-way car.

 

[x_files]

SBM - Scott Ratigan is one.

And although I don’t have a specific suspect here, for what it’s worth I agree with you that the perp probably is a woman wearing her normal clothes. I do think it’s possible she is wearing a wig, but apart from that I don’t believe there’s a disguise element here.

It would be easier to NOT have to wear a wig, a rubber mask, and a dress in go-go boots if you know you must RUN to FLEE the scene of the crime, plus wigs SHED like crazy! Go-Go boots have platform heels and offer no traction in slippery wet grass, in other words why risk falling and skinning your knee on the pavement leaving blood/DNA at the scene?
So either someone who is extremely comfortable wearing a costume this elaborate and is coordinated enough NOT to slip or fall while running in go-go boots? Ever tried it on grass and then concrete sidewalk? I do NOT recommend it!
But it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE! Crazier things have happened.

If police suggested a WIG I wonder if they found synthetic wig hair at the scene.

 

[lonewanderer]

It would be easier to NOT have to wear a wig, a rubber mask, and a dress in go-go boots if you know you must RUN to FLEE the scene of the crime, plus wigs SHED like crazy! Go-Go boots have platform heels and offer no traction in slippery wet grass, in other words why risk falling and skinning your knee on the pavement leaving blood/DNA at the scene?
So either someone who is extremely comfortable wearing a costume this elaborate and is coordinated enough NOT to slip or fall while running in go-go boots? Ever tried it on grass and then concrete sidewalk? I do NOT recommend it!
But it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE! Crazier things have happened.

If police suggested a WIG I wonder if they found synthetic wig hair at the scene.

If it was inside, I would find the wig hairs being found a little more believable.

This was outside, on pavement, with potential wind and cars driving by as additional factors.

The shooter came and went pretty quickly.

Being that it was outside and that it could encroach on other people’s properties, I find it a little far fetched to think wig fibers were recovered.

The footage is sorta grainy and the person appears to have long, dark hair (at times).

I personally think the shooter is a mother, in the 501st legion, and happens to have long black hair.

 

[glassheater]

If it was inside, I would find the wig hairs being found a little more believable.

This was outside, on pavement, with potential wind and cars driving by as additional factors.

The shooter came and went pretty quickly.

Being that it was outside and that it could encroach on other people’s properties, I find it a little far fetched to think wig fibers were recovered.

The footage is sorta grainy and the person appears to have long, dark hair (at times).

I personally think the shooter is a mother, in the 501st legion, and happens to have long black hair.

There are quite a few women in the legion. Is there a reason you suspect that particular one?

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

In the Case Supplemental Report Sergio states: he has a flooring company with his Father and that they meet every day at the Lowes located on Kukendahl RD.

His Father and co-workers would know the meet-up time. Unsure if it varied daily (likely considering the profession).

Detective Ritchie said no unusual calls on Sergio’s phone that morning but a known contact wouldn’t be an unusual call. They then call someone else.

(source: Arrin Stoner Video).

Her insurance maybe? A policy usually takes two years to access full benefits or some of her work benefits like 401k etc.

I was thinking along those lines too but I read online that due to the Slayer Rule if a policy holder is murdered some insurance companies will not pay beneficiaries until they have been cleared or the investigation is complete. Sometimes even after the investigation is complete, companies will contest paying the beneficiaries on the basis of fraud if they still have suspicion or evidence that the beneficiaries committed or helped plan the murders. I wonder what the likelihood was/is like for Sergio since was Liz’s husband, the case is still unsolved and as expected with many other similar cases like this, he would be under a cloud of suspicion as culprit?

Not accusing or anything just questioning along the same lines you were

 

[Charlot123]

It would be easier to NOT have to wear a wig, a rubber mask, and a dress in go-go boots if you know you must RUN to FLEE the scene of the crime, plus wigs SHED like crazy! Go-Go boots have platform heels and offer no traction in slippery wet grass, in other words why risk falling and skinning your knee on the pavement leaving blood/DNA at the scene?
So either someone who is extremely comfortable wearing a costume this elaborate and is coordinated enough NOT to slip or fall while running in go-go boots? Ever tried it on grass and then concrete sidewalk? I do NOT recommend it!
But it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE! Crazier things have happened.

If police suggested a WIG I wonder if they found synthetic wig hair at the scene.

OK here are old Slavic life-hacks on how to not fall, running away in boots with slippery heels on black ice.
- use tissue-backed adhesive plaster. Two pieces criss-crossing over the sole and the heel. Not permanent but OK for a trip
- pieces of sandpaper glued to the sole and heel
- sand over superglue
- potato rubbed over the sole and the heel
- grate the sole with a cheese grater
- From very old times, a piece of thin pantyhose is pulled on the sole and “welded” to the sole by gently heating over a lighter, then the edges are trimmed.

 

[Charlot123]

I was thinking along those lines too but I read online that due to the Slayer Rule if a policy holder is murdered some insurance companies will not pay beneficiaries until they have been cleared or the investigation is complete. Sometimes even after the investigation is complete, companies will contest paying the beneficiaries on the basis of fraud if they still have suspicion or evidence that the beneficiaries committed or helped plan the murders. I wonder what the likelihood was/is like for Sergio since was Liz’s husband, the case is still unsolved and as expected with many other similar cases like this, he would be under a cloud of suspicion as culprit?

Not accusing or anything just questioning along the same lines you were

I think that perhaps, till the dust settles and your name is exonerated, you don’t want to drag in insurances with their own detectives meddling in the case. MOO.

 

[x_files]

OK here are old Slavic life-hacks on how to not fall, running away in boots with slippery heels on black ice.
- use tissue-backed adhesive plaster. Two pieces criss-crossing over the sole and the heel. Not permanent but OK for a trip
- pieces of sandpaper glued to the sole and heel
- sand over superglue
- potato rubbed over the sole and the heel
- grate the sole with a cheese grater
- From very old times, a piece of thin pantyhose is pulled on the sole and “welded” to the sole by gently heating over a lighter, then the edges are trimmed.

I am very impressed! But that's a lot of work don't you think to go through when flat soled boot would suffice?
Anything at this point is possible though especially if the shooter was into costumes, and cosplay.

 

[x_files]

If it was inside, I would find the wig hairs being found a little more believable.

This was outside, on pavement, with potential wind and cars driving by as additional factors.

The shooter came and went pretty quickly.

Being that it was outside and that it could encroach on other people’s properties, I find it a little far fetched to think wig fibers were recovered.

The footage is sorta grainy and the person appears to have long, dark hair (at times).

I personally think the shooter is a mother, in the 501st legion, and happens to have long black hair.

It would make logical sense if it was a man or woman with long hair.
I have wigs and they do shed just walking or running. So it's possible one did drop at the scene of the crime.
Not sure LE thinks it's a wig unless they found evidence of a wig. Or are they just suggesting it could be a wig?

 

[Duper's Delight]

I was thinking along those lines too but I read online that due to the Slayer Rule if a policy holder is murdered some insurance companies will not pay beneficiaries until they have been cleared or the investigation is complete. Sometimes even after the investigation is complete, companies will contest paying the beneficiaries on the basis of fraud if they still have suspicion or evidence that the beneficiaries committed or helped plan the murders. I wonder what the likelihood was/is like for Sergio since was Liz’s husband, the case is still unsolved and as expected with many other similar cases like this, he would be under a cloud of suspicion as culprit?

Not accusing or anything just questioning along the same lines you were

Yes of course the slayer rule would be in effect, that is why it is so confusing when Sergio says he has not touched it. He acts like he can. It is because he cannot. As we know LE finally said he is not cleared contrary to all the early podcasts etc that stated he was.it confuses me why he assumes it is available at all.
Good thing insurance companies record all calls.

 

[x_files]

Yes of course the slayer rule would be in effect, that is why it is so confusing when Sergio says he has not touched it. He acts like he can. It is because he cannot. As we know LE finally said he is not cleared contrary to all the early podcasts etc that stated he was.it confuses me why he assumes it is available at all.
Good thing insurance companies record all calls.

interesting. So no children. And she had a life insurance policy the plot thickens.
I wonder how much? and was he aware of how much?

 

[Duper's Delight]

interesting. So no children. And she had a life insurance policy the plot thickens.
I wonder how much? and was he aware of how much?

$250,000 which doubled to $500,000 since her death was an accidental (no fault of her own)…
Her employer is known for their good benefits.

Im sure with Liz being described as a “planner” by her mother she also opted into the companies 401k program and would likely have quite a bit in that account. That would go to whomever she designated and would likely have been paid out to them.

Back to insurance..on Paula Zahn detective Ritchie said Sergio knew about it but was misleading about the amount. Sergio said a small policy.

 

[arielilane]

There's been a lot of talk about On the case w/PZ: A Fairy Tale Ruined so thought I'd link (it can also be located at YouTube) it below which is directly from Liz's parents' site, for anyone interested. Imo, it's worth the watch.

Links to Press and Media

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www.whokilledlizbarraza.com

10/30/2022 - On the Case with Paula Zahn - A Fairy Tale Ruined (Discover ID) NOTE you may need to link to your cable provider.

 

[x_files]

$250,000 which doubled to $500,000 since her death was an accidental (no fault of her own)…
Her employer is known for their good benefits.

Im sure with Liz being described as a “planner” by her mother she also opted into the companies 401k program and would likely have quite a bit in that account. That would go to whomever she designated and would likely have been paid out to them.

Back to insurance..on Paula Zahn detective Ritchie said Sergio knew about it but was misleading about the amount. Sergio said a small policy.

Maybe 500k to S is small? Maybe he had hoped for several million. Maybe he thought it was for much more.