TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris County, Jan 2019 #2

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  • #321
I think the biggest things in play here, as some mentioned, is timing. They just HAPPENED to come by MINUTES after the husband left for work? And it just HAPPENED to be right before school buses came out? And it just so HAPPENED that they "stumbled" upon Liz being outside on the driveway so they wouldn't have to approach the door and be in view of the Ring camera? And they just so HAPPENED to be comfortable enough to know no one else was around thereby making them feel comfortable enough to drive by again minutes later to confirm the job was done. I don't know.....seems like way too many coincidences to me. This was done by someone (or some people) that knew the innermost details surrounding that day.

It just so happens that I agree about the many, many coinky-dinks that occurred that day! Nope, nope, nope.
Pretty darn well-planned, and as far as we know it has certainly worked so far...
No one has that kind of good luck, do they?! Or at least hoping -- not for much longer. SMH.

Good post, @ZZ Tops !!
 
  • #322
I'm still stuck on the timeline and basic circumstances. I'll just put my thoughts here--as best I could organize them--in case it prompts discussion. I also welcome corrections, as I'm not as knowledgeable here as I am on other cases.

The husband leaves at 6:48am, after helping post signs around the neighborhood and take the sale items out of the garage.

Some of these items are both big ticket and unwieldy, including the Keurig and the treadmill. Unless it was broken, I couldn't see parting with the treadmill for less than $150. Was she prepared to give change for these sales? (Also, the treadmill seems like something I'd give family and friends first pick.)

What's always caught my eye in the news footage is the helmet (next to the top hat). I've got an extended family member who has spent a few grand on the raw materials to make his own stormtrooper costume and accessories (it's a kit you shape to your body specifications). Another buddy of mine said the most realistic helmets cost north of $100. From the photos posted by the news and memorial sites, it's not her helmet (the hooded one).

Given their charity work and friend circle within the legion, I'm wondering why she chose to sell the helmet at the yard sale. Maybe they were flush with stormtrooper helmets, and this was just a cheaper model that took up space and wasn't worth selling via their network as a collectible?

Back to the timeline, it was cold and humid the previous night, so I'm assuming the electronic and fabric items would NOT have been put out the night before. I'll be conservative and say it took 30 min. to get the folding table out and assembled, then lay out neatly the rest.

Then let's say 10-15 min. to hang signs around the neighborhood? The news reports/interviews allude to the couple doing the sign hanging together. Perhaps they walked their dog during this time? Or did they drive around? It would have been much darker and chillier out, so maybe they drove to do this? I wouldn't want to leave all my stuff unattended, especially given the "feeding frenzy" yard sale culture that our kind Houstonian Websleuthers have described.

My own rough timeline starts to look like the following:
5:30am-6:00am - wake-up, dress, breakfast/coffee
6:00am-6:15am - neighborhood sign posting
6:15am-6:45am - driveway set-up (maybe moving vehicles to street?)

Assuming the shooter didn't camp out overnight, arrival of the Nissan is sometime in that block above. Did the couple cross paths with the truck when they went to post the signs? Was the truck parked elsewhere in the neighborhood waiting for the husband to leave? I can't imagine it would have been idling long, because the truck would have had to block the driveway of either the house on the corner of Smoke Lake and Cedar Walk or the one right next to it. A truck parked the wrong way blocking my (or my neighbor's) driveway would get my attention.

The second image of the truck (I know this has been discussed) is either from recon on a previous day or when the truck doubled back. If the truck then exited/entered via Kuykendahl, there would have been an additional image from this camera. I wouldn't risk stopping at a light or passing a bank complex, so I think Princeton is out, too. That leaves the back (I don't know when that newer development was being constructed), Barmby, or Haigshire. I'd guess Haigshire to facilitate an easy right (esp. important given morning traffic) and skip the intersection. Fourth option, I suppose, is that the truck never left the neighborhood.

If the truck leaves the neighborhood AND makes the right turn on to Kuykendahl as predicted, then I'd expect the truck would show up on at least one of the cameras of the numerous gas stations along that road. We'd never know if HCSO asked for that footage... but what troubles me more is that I can't recall seeing them ask drivers to check their dash cam footage. They ask for help identifying the shooter/driver, but not of the vehicle, even though HCSO was immediately aware of the neighbor's recording. In previous cases (as well as those that followed) HCSO has made public requests for drivers and residents to check their cameras. I can't find where this request was made in this case, at least in a prominent way reflected in news articles. This leads me to believe that a.) HCSO know where the truck went and can't identify it because of non-existent/altered plates, b.) HCSO did not think this potential footage was important for some other reason, c.) HCSO mishandled some of the initial investigation, or d.) all of the above.

Like others, I think the mysteriously evaporating search warrant was a dragnet that either revealed nothing, is ongoing (waiting for reactivation of a line via Stingray), or utilized DHS-level data that wouldn't be admissible in court or is a matter of national security. I think if her murder had ties to her employment, the case wouldn't be solely in the hands of the HCSO. Also, I'll learn toward the first two options because cell records seem to be this particular detective's jam. When he shows up in court records, his testimony tends to center on cellular records/location activity. I do find it a bit odd that he's dropped out of media sight entirely, considering his previous involvement in cases that received some public interest, including on television.

I'll wrap up here by being charitable to HCSO and suggest that another, more mundane reality is that prosecutors have the evidence they need and are simply waiting on availability for a grand jury. My impression, however, is that this is not a likely reality.
 
  • #323
Canteloupe, great post, lots to think about. It's really something that you posted this because at the exact same timeframe tonight I too have been poring over the streets, exits, and Google map street view, and noticed the bank on the corner (credit union, assuming it's still there, my map stops at 2011 images) and I agree, they probably didn't want to go past the bank (cameras). I also noticed that you really would have to know what you were doing in advance, because for basically every random side road out (and there are a lot of possibilities), even the long convoluted ways, lead eventually to a dead end / cul de sac, and so does one end of Liz's street. Except for the other ways to get back on Kuykendahl that you have mentioned. Also there's a huge major freeway intersection very close to them (Grand Parkway) that would have to be stopped at (and probably waiting at a light) if heading towards Houston. I wonder at what traffic point the police don't know where the truck went.
 
  • #324
It's possible this murder was orchestrated by someone who knew Elizabeth very well AND that she did not know her murderer. I, too, have felt all along that if the actual killing was perpetrated by someone very close to her in their own vehicle, they would be caught by now. However, someone close to her who knew details about the sale and had some sort of vendetta against her could have hired someone unknown to her to actually commit the crime.

They could have passed on the info about her sale, the timeline of her husband going to work, directions in and out of her neighborhood, even info on which neighbors had Rings. This would explain knowing all this info but her not seeming to recognize the person when approached that morning. All MOO
 
  • #325
I'm still stuck on the timeline and basic circumstances. I'll just put my thoughts here--as best I could organize them--in case it prompts discussion. I also welcome corrections, as I'm not as knowledgeable here as I am on other cases.

The husband leaves at 6:48am, after helping post signs around the neighborhood and take the sale items out of the garage.

Some of these items are both big ticket and unwieldy, including the Keurig and the treadmill. Unless it was broken, I couldn't see parting with the treadmill for less than $150. Was she prepared to give change for these sales? (Also, the treadmill seems like something I'd give family and friends first pick.)

What's always caught my eye in the news footage is the helmet (next to the top hat). I've got an extended family member who has spent a few grand on the raw materials to make his own stormtrooper costume and accessories (it's a kit you shape to your body specifications). Another buddy of mine said the most realistic helmets cost north of $100. From the photos posted by the news and memorial sites, it's not her helmet (the hooded one).

Given their charity work and friend circle within the legion, I'm wondering why she chose to sell the helmet at the yard sale. Maybe they were flush with stormtrooper helmets, and this was just a cheaper model that took up space and wasn't worth selling via their network as a collectible?

Back to the timeline, it was cold and humid the previous night, so I'm assuming the electronic and fabric items would NOT have been put out the night before. I'll be conservative and say it took 30 min. to get the folding table out and assembled, then lay out neatly the rest.

Then let's say 10-15 min. to hang signs around the neighborhood? The news reports/interviews allude to the couple doing the sign hanging together. Perhaps they walked their dog during this time? Or did they drive around? It would have been much darker and chillier out, so maybe they drove to do this? I wouldn't want to leave all my stuff unattended, especially given the "feeding frenzy" yard sale culture that our kind Houstonian Websleuthers have described.

My own rough timeline starts to look like the following:
5:30am-6:00am - wake-up, dress, breakfast/coffee
6:00am-6:15am - neighborhood sign posting
6:15am-6:45am - driveway set-up (maybe moving vehicles to street?)

Assuming the shooter didn't camp out overnight, arrival of the Nissan is sometime in that block above. Did the couple cross paths with the truck when they went to post the signs? Was the truck parked elsewhere in the neighborhood waiting for the husband to leave? I can't imagine it would have been idling long, because the truck would have had to block the driveway of either the house on the corner of Smoke Lake and Cedar Walk or the one right next to it. A truck parked the wrong way blocking my (or my neighbor's) driveway would get my attention.

The second image of the truck (I know this has been discussed) is either from recon on a previous day or when the truck doubled back. If the truck then exited/entered via Kuykendahl, there would have been an additional image from this camera. I wouldn't risk stopping at a light or passing a bank complex, so I think Princeton is out, too. That leaves the back (I don't know when that newer development was being constructed), Barmby, or Haigshire. I'd guess Haigshire to facilitate an easy right (esp. important given morning traffic) and skip the intersection. Fourth option, I suppose, is that the truck never left the neighborhood.

If the truck leaves the neighborhood AND makes the right turn on to Kuykendahl as predicted, then I'd expect the truck would show up on at least one of the cameras of the numerous gas stations along that road. We'd never know if HCSO asked for that footage... but what troubles me more is that I can't recall seeing them ask drivers to check their dash cam footage. They ask for help identifying the shooter/driver, but not of the vehicle, even though HCSO was immediately aware of the neighbor's recording. In previous cases (as well as those that followed) HCSO has made public requests for drivers and residents to check their cameras. I can't find where this request was made in this case, at least in a prominent way reflected in news articles. This leads me to believe that a.) HCSO know where the truck went and can't identify it because of non-existent/altered plates, b.) HCSO did not think this potential footage was important for some other reason, c.) HCSO mishandled some of the initial investigation, or d.) all of the above.

Like others, I think the mysteriously evaporating search warrant was a dragnet that either revealed nothing, is ongoing (waiting for reactivation of a line via Stingray), or utilized DHS-level data that wouldn't be admissible in court or is a matter of national security. I think if her murder had ties to her employment, the case wouldn't be solely in the hands of the HCSO. Also, I'll learn toward the first two options because cell records seem to be this particular detective's jam. When he shows up in court records, his testimony tends to center on cellular records/location activity. I do find it a bit odd that he's dropped out of media sight entirely, considering his previous involvement in cases that received some public interest, including on television.

I'll wrap up here by being charitable to HCSO and suggest that another, more mundane reality is that prosecutors have the evidence they need and are simply waiting on availability for a grand jury. My impression, however, is that this is not a likely reality.

Great post!

To address your question about asking the public to save and review security video if they lived or worked in the area, there wasn't much, if any, outreach to get this information. In their most recent press conference, HCSO mentioned the original detective on the case had been replaced by the current one. It's possible, not asking for video was a mistake.
 
  • #326
It's possible this murder was orchestrated by someone who knew Elizabeth very well AND that she did not know her murderer. I, too, have felt all along that if the actual killing was perpetrated by someone very close to her in their own vehicle, they would be caught by now. However, someone close to her who knew details about the sale and had some sort of vendetta against her could have hired someone unknown to her to actually commit the crime.

They could have passed on the info about her sale, the timeline of her husband going to work, directions in and out of her neighborhood, even info on which neighbors had Rings. This would explain knowing all this info but her not seeming to recognize the person when approached that morning. All MOO

Agree 100% !!
 
  • #327
When Liz suddenly took a step back - she was clearly seeing something about the killer that suddenly shocked her. I don't know if it was the gun because I don't know if the gun was out in front of her yet. I think it was possibly realizing that the killer was wearing a disguise - possibly realizing it was a man dressed as a woman. Or it could have been something that the killer said to Liz that indicated that the killer wasn't just there for the garage sale but was there on purpose - saying something that indicated that this stranger knew who Liz was or knew who her husband was or something very odd and menacing.

I agree that it was either a hired killer OR a romantically obsessed person who somehow knew all these vital details to time this shooting.

Even knowing the details, there was always a chance the busses or some meighbor could have been driving by at that moment out of the usual expected times. This shooter, as people have noted, really took chances. The taking of such chances leads me away from hired killer more to the "aggrieved" rage-filled person whose shooting was overkill as someone recently pointed out. That all has me leaning toward a romantically obsessed person on one hand. But even a romantically obsessed person could still hire someone.

I also started wondering this - if a hired killer, the zeal and lack of caution or willingness to take huge risks makes me wonder if this person was between the ages of 17 and 27, in other words, young and stupid (no offense to young people who are not stupid) - someone who thought being a "hit man" was going to be like in the movies, not focused on the gravity of taking someone's life, it's not a game; it's something you can never undo and have to live with for the rest of your life. Excuse my awkward wording.
 
  • #328
Somehow I can't buy that this was a hired killer. The person who did kill Elizabeth had a darn good plan to get it all done so smoothly -- or at least smoothly so far. The vehicle "disappeared," there was near-perfect timing of the killing and the get-away. As far as we know -- s/he has gotten away with it.
IMO a hired killer who has been able to elude LE this long, would be an expensive hire. So many details so well handled and planned. Who wanted her dead badly enuff to pay a decent amount of money to have it done with few mistakes? It's worked this far, at least as far as we know today. So we wait -- we know well about the waiting...

But, as we have seen before, there is the crime; there is an initial investigation and we learn a little bit; then there's a lull where we find out little; and then, Wham! a suspect.
Let's hope we will have a Wham! soon...
 
  • #329
Question for thought that I haven't seen discussed yet (may have been, I just haven't seen it). LE confirmed they heard Liz say "Good Morning" when the killer approached. The killer was there for at least 6 or 7 seconds before shooting her and Liz jumps back at either something the killer showed her or said. If the killer said anything, you'd think Ring would be able to pick up their voice as well, but no mention of this? I wonder if the killer didn't say anything or if they are perhaps keeping the info quiet?
 
  • #330
Question for thought that I haven't seen discussed yet (may have been, I just haven't seen it). LE confirmed they heard Liz say "Good Morning" when the killer approached. The killer was there for at least 6 or 7 seconds before shooting her and Liz jumps back at either something the killer showed her or said. If the killer said anything, you'd think Ring would be able to pick up their voice as well, but no mention of this? I wonder if the killer didn't say anything or if they are perhaps keeping the info quiet?
Seems to me the perp shows her something which causes her to step back. Can’t help but think it was a photo, idk why, or of what. Just a feeling I have. I think we can conclude from the confirmed “good morning”, spoken by Liz, that this was a person she did not know and was expecting to check out the yard sale. MOO IMO
 
  • #331
This case is so baffling, and it's so incredibly tragic and senseless. As a fellow Comic-Con type nerd, I really feel for Liz.

I agree with those that don't believe that this was random, not at all. Too many coincidences that day. I truly hope that LE continues to work on this case and there is a break. I think somewhere, at some time, there was a connection between Liz and the killer - perhaps completely unbeknownst to her. I also align with the theory of a spurned lover or an obsessed romantic stalker type as well where either Liz was the object of thwarted affection (if I can't have her, no one will, even if the relationship was imaginary) or where her husband was the subject of the obsession (again, even without any type of real relationship) and Liz was killed to get her out of the way. Either way, I don't think the connection was close or perhaps even known, because I think they would have solved by now due to electronic communication, cell phone tracing, etc, although perhaps all that is still being analyzed and compiled. I lean towards the killer being a woman as well.

It calls to mind a case I saw, maybe on Dateline, where former Chicago Bears football player Shaun Gayle's pregnant girlfriend was gunned down right at the front door of her apartment, also first thing in the morning. She was shot twice and killer departed. Shaun took quite a beating in the media as of course he was prime suspect #1 but fully cooperated. The killer was a Polish model he had dated and broke up with that ended very badly as she continued to stalk him long after the relationship ended. Food for thought. Marni Yang is her name. She was nuttier than a squirrel's pantry.

Shaun Gayle Exclusive: Pregnant Girlfriend's Killing Exposes Obsessive Stalker
 
  • #332
Hi everyone im very new to this thread however i spent the entire night and morning reading the first thread and the second thread. i have never met the victim or husband however im incredibly close to a set of friends they went to universal studios with the year prior. When i heard of this case they were in weashington and had told me a close friend was killed in their driveway. now after so long i thought id read and see if any updates were made and i had a question that i figured id ask here. the bags were packed by the victim and to this day remain packed according to victims ex husband. Was the trip already paid for? flights, hotel, rental etc?
 
  • #333
another question. is it typical for garage sales to start at 650 in the morning? what time did she start her previous yearly garage sales?
 
  • #334
another question. is it typical for garage sales to start at 650 in the morning? what time did she start her previous yearly garage sales?
That time is typical for garage sales, 7am or 8am. Welcome!
 
  • #335
Hi everyone im very new to this thread however i spent the entire night and morning reading the first thread and the second thread. i have never met the victim or husband however im incredibly close to a set of friends they went to universal studios with the year prior. When i heard of this case they were in weashington and had told me a close friend was killed in their driveway. now after so long i thought id read and see if any updates were made and i had a question that i figured id ask here. the bags were packed by the victim and to this day remain packed according to victims ex husband. Was the trip already paid for? flights, hotel, rental etc?

Welcome to Websleuths, Huggs!:)

Haven't read anything about that detail. It sounds like the reservations had been made, they probably used a credit card. The garage sale was to help pay for the trip, most likely to pay bills after the fact.

Her husband said she liked going to Disney World Orlando because she was a big fan of Harry Potter.

Before tragedy struck the Barraza family, the couple was about to celebrate their 5th wedding anniversary. To make some extra money, Liz was set to put on a garage sale on Jan. 25, 2019.

"She was literally trying to raise a couple hundred dollars to buy something nice for her husband," said Liz's father, Robert Nuelle Jr.

Her husband left for work at 6:48 that morning. Neighbor's surveillance video shows a 2013 or newer Nissan Frontier truck pull up four minutes later. Someone is seen getting out and going toward Liz.

"You can hear on doorbell camera, you can hear her say, 'Good morning,' so pretty clear, she doesn't know the person," explained Nuelle. "There's a brief conversation and then four shots."

18 months later, family of woman killed during garage sale set-up not giving up hope

Another article with quote from Elizabeth's father:

Authorities say the Barrazas didn't publicize the garage sale and only put up signs about it that morning.

According to her father, Robert Nuelle, Barraza was trying to sell a few items to make extra spending money for her fifth wedding anniversary trip. She and her husband had planned to leave that Sunday, two days after she was killed.

BBM

Tomball woman murdered while setting up for garage sale was raising money for wedding anniversary trip

Not saying its irrelevant at all, but do you think those details are important? Just curious.

What do your friends think happened?
 
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  • #336
If the truck leaves the neighborhood AND makes the right turn on to Kuykendahl as predicted, then I'd expect the truck would show up on at least one of the cameras of the numerous gas stations along that road. We'd never know if HCSO asked for that footage... but what troubles me more is that I can't recall seeing them ask drivers to check their dash cam footage. They ask for help identifying the shooter/driver, but not of the vehicle, even though HCSO was immediately aware of the neighbor's recording. In previous cases (as well as those that followed) HCSO has made public requests for drivers and residents to check their cameras. I can't find where this request was made in this case, at least in a prominent way reflected in news articles. This leads me to believe that a.) HCSO know where the truck went and can't identify it because of non-existent/altered plates, b.) HCSO did not think this potential footage was important for some other reason, c.) HCSO mishandled some of the initial investigation, or d.) all of the above.

Just catching up on this part of our discussion, LE did gather video of the truck from other homeowners and nearby businesses

“It was very quick, it was very calculated, very cold-blooded of how it was done,” said Michael Ritchie, a homicide investigator with Harris County Sheriff’s Office.

Ritchie said his best clue is the suspect’s truck, a Nissan Frontier 4x4. Investigators were able to get several pieces of surveillance video from people living in the neighborhood and nearby businesses. The videos showed the truck in the neighborhood the night before and again after the murder.

“I do believe that more than one person involved in this, and I do believe that there are some people out there that maybe have a suspicion that somebody they know might have been involved in this,” Ritchie said.

Tomball murder mystery: Who killed Elizabeth Barraza? | wkyc.com

The article says they have several pieces of video, so they have more than the two video clips we've seen in the news.


Reminder: There's a $20,000 reward for tips through Crime Stoppers. Anyone who has a tip can send it anonymously.

If you have any information, call Crime Stoppers at 713-222-TIPS. You could be eligible for up to a $20,000 reward for information that leads to an arrest.

New details in Elizabeth Barraza's murder | khou.com
 
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The article mentions that a decal sticker on the window was confirmed to say" "Pro 4X".

Some customization graphics stickers are only available via the manufacturer or though one of their dealers. A large number of others, however, can be bought from other sources.

It might be good to see if "Pro 4X" is a Nissan decal. If so, Nissan USA might have records of mail order sales to the Houston area.

Likewise, a salesperson at a dealership may remember details about a seeing a customer in a black Nissan of that type buying the sticker from a display rack.
 
  • #338
I think the best method would be to find out who knew in advance that she would be having the garage sale. They must have her/her husband's phone records... I wonder if it's mentioned in any of their texts, or who they called in the days preceding. As per the article quoted above, the truck was there the night before scouting the scene (before she even put up posters) so it was obviously targeted.

The way the killer stands over Elizabeth once she's already on the ground, and shoots again is so cold-blooded. They wanted to be certain she wouldn't survive. It feels very very personal. JMO.
 
  • #339
... The way the killer stands over Elizabeth once she's already on the ground, and shoots again is so cold-blooded. They wanted to be certain she wouldn't survive. It feels very very personal. JMO.

And still Liz survived for over 24 hours. #JusticeForLiz

The fact that there's a voice recording of the shooter is pretty huge, isn't it. That may tell the police if it's a man or a woman for one thing.
 
  • #340
This problem of the truck sticks with me. Whoever did this had no regard for the truck being seen or identified (seemingly). Obviously it would be easy to check if anyone remotely close to Liz had such a truck registered now or in the past, or anyone at the same address as someone close to her. In what circumstance would you have access to a truck where you would have no care if someone saw it because it could never be traced back to you? My first thought is you stole it but what else? It could be unregistered, could be from a dealer lot with no plates, I could work for a rental company, I might have access to a fleet for property management or construction.
 
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