TX - Five Yates children drowned, Houston, 20 June 2001 *Insanity*

[Jeana (DP)]

I will not argue against that obvious and sad truth.

People (spouses, doctors, etc) should always mitigate against disasters. In addition to medicinal treatment, doctors can refer cases to child services. In my mind, her doctor took a huge risk with the kid's lives.

When a person who is out of their mind kills someone that other people knew were in danger: Who is to blame? (purely a Socractic question)

Rusty.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

This case represents yet another example of how high-profile cases work against the defendant. Andrea was widely condemned from day one. The jury pool was poisoned.

Based on post verdict comments, I do not consider the jury in the first trial to be highly reasoned. At a minimum, the first jury let Dr, Dietz do their thinking for them.

The logic for "insanity demanding an acquittal" is so crystal clear, I will say that I almost assuredly "know" that professional jurors (schooled in base Aristotlelian logic) could not find her guilty.

What's flawed is the fact that the jury cannot be told what is to be expected with the finding of not guilty by reason of insanity. If they knew what was in store for her, they wouldn't be so hesitant to send her there. It will take a small miracle for just about anyone to ever be released from there and compared to prison, a state run mental hospital has to be like hell on earth. Why they think it would be like a day spa is completely beyond myy comprehension. If you're not crazy going in, you're definately there after you've arrived.

 

[Texana]

The real sham is that the Judge would not let the defense expose/impeach Dr. Dietz by using his testimony from the first trial.

Second time we agree?

It's been raining here for days. Now I know I need to go build a boat and start rounding up animals.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Second time we agree?

It's been raining here for days. Now I know I need to go build a boat and start rounding up animals.

Well Noah, bring some of that to Dallas!!!

 

[Wudge]

What's flawed is the fact that the jury cannot be told what is to be expected with the finding of not guilty by reason of insanity. If they knew what was in store for her, they wouldn't be so hesitant to send her there. It will take a small miracle for just about anyone to ever be released from there and compared to prison, a state run mental hospital has to be like hell on earth. Why they think it would be like a day spa is completely beyond myy comprehension. If you're not crazy going in, you're definately there after you've arrived.

Another very valid point.

As you well know, other than voting for the death penalty, jurors are usually not permitted to know what their verdict means in terms of penal code punishment.

Our jurisprudence system has regressed to treating jurors like mushrooms: feed them (junk science, arguing weak circumstantial evidence as probative, etc.) and keep them in the dark until they hear the media announce the end effects of their verdict.

Judges and prosecutors largely see jurors as pawns to be used. The dumber the pawn is, the better.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Another very valid point.

As you well know, other than voting for the death penalty, jurors are usually not permitted to know what their verdict means in terms of penal code punishment.

Our jurisprudence system has regressed to treating jurors like mushrooms: feed them (junk science, arguing weak circumstantial evidence as probative, etc.) and keep them in the dark until they hear the media announce the end effects of their verdict.

Judges and prosecutors largely see jurors as pawns to be used. The dumber the pawn, the better.

With the instant media and information available 24/7, you'd have to be a mushroom to NOT know what the sentence is.

 

[Wudge]

With the instant media and information available 24/7, you'd have to be a mushroom to NOT know what the sentence is.

Thus, affirming my post.

 

[MrsMush99]

What's flawed is the fact that the jury cannot be told what is to be expected with the finding of not guilty by reason of insanity. If they knew what was in store for her, they wouldn't be so hesitant to send her there. It will take a small miracle for just about anyone to ever be released from there and compared to prison, a state run mental hospital has to be like hell on earth. Why they think it would be like a day spa is completely beyond myy comprehension. If you're not crazy going in, you're definately there after you've arrived.

I have a question for you Jeana, not sure if you know the answer but here's my question. If Andrea is found not guilt by reason of insanity and is sent to a mental hospital, does it HAVE to be state run? In other words if she had the money could she be put into a private hospital?? Just curious.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Thus, affirming my post.

Still can't get to the point where I want professional juries. Too many unknowns.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I have a question for you Jeana, not sure if you know the answer but here's my question. If Andrea is found not guilt by reason of insanity and is sent to a mental hospital, does it HAVE to be state run? In other words if she had the money could she be put into a private hospital?? Just curious.

No. The hospital where she would be sent would look more like a prison. It would have to be a "maximum security" hospital.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Here's the folks she would be locked up with:

Persons with felony charges who have been found incompetent to stand trial;

Persons admitted for pre-trial evaluations for competency and issues of insanity;

Persons found not guilty by reason of insanity;


Persons from other state hospitals who have been found to be manifestly dangerous;


Mentally retarded persons who have been found incompetent to stand trial on misdemeanor or felony charges;


Persons from the Texas Department of Criminal Justice (TDCJ) and other jails who need inpatient psychiatric hospitalization. [The hospital has never been asked to fulfill this mandate as TDCJ developed its own psychiatric services.]

http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/mhhospitals/NorthTexasSH/NTSH_About.shtm


Personally, I'd rather take my chances in regular prison.

 

[kato]

Verdict in.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Verdict in.

Okay. . . . we're here.

 

[kato]

Okay. . . . we're here.

I don't think there will be any big suprises.

 

[kato]

Commentators saying most likely guilty verdict since the jury was out such a short time. Guilty by insanity rare in TX. If sent to Rusk could be out in 15-20 yrs. About 10 more min..

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Commentators saying most likely guilty verdict since the jury was out such a short time. Guilty by insanity rare in TX. If sent to Rusk could be out in 15-20 yrs. About 10 more min..

That's not right. If she's found guilty, she'll be in for life.

 

[michelle]

They said a verdict should be announced soon on my news...

 

[kato]

LOL Talking about the cost of Dr. Wellner's testimony. Saying it was more than the combined yearly earnings of the jury.

 

[kato]

That's not right. If she's found guilty, she'll be in for life.

Just saying what our local reporters are saying.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Just saying what our local reporters are saying.

Gee, they'll let anyone just talk, won't they?? LOL They should find out what they're saying is true first!!