TX - Five Yates children drowned, Houston, 20 June 2001 *Insanity*

[Wudge]

This verdict seems to me to be much more just and fair than the guilty verdict in the first trial.

If an insane person is found guilty, the verdict is logically infirmed, always.

 

[Wudge]

This was the first case I can ever remember thinking that it should have been not guilty.

SNIP

The slighest ray of hope beams through. (chuckle)

 

[calus_3]

Rusty speaking.

I don't care to hear anything that has to say. He is about half as guilty as his wife for what happened.....

Cal

 

[ljwf22]

I still think Rusty is a major factor in this. When he said "Andrea was an ordinary mom who fell into this disease." I couldn't help thinking they were warned not to have more children but they went for the old "We'll take as many kids as God wants us to." Obviously five was too many.

 

[kato]

I don't care to hear anything that has to say. He is about half as guilty as his wife for what happened.....

Cal

LOL He said he'll probably be visiting her tonight. Said he was suprised by verdict because of our counties track record.

 

[Jules]

I don't care to hear anything that has to say. He is about half as guilty as his wife for what happened.....

Cal

Agreed. I hold him more responsible in what happened than Andrea.

BTW - Kato, thanks for the 'on-the-scene' reporting. Great job at keeping us informed! :clap:

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Is the prosecutor going to speak? She's the one I'm interested in.

 

[Jules]

Is the prosecutor going to speak? She's the one I'm interested in.

Owmby did - haven't seen her. She did, however, go over to Andrea after the verdict was read and talked to her. They both smiled. I thought that was very professional of her. It couldn't have been easy.

 

[calus_3]

Agreed. I hold him more responsible in what happened than Andrea.

Yeah, but I think this verdict is crap. She had to chase the oldest down and drag him back to the tub. She knew what she was doing....although, I certainly think she snapped.

Regardless of her mental state at the time, the nature and the horrible degree of the crime necessitates she never enter society again. If that be in jail or a looney bin, I don't really care. The only rights I am concerned with are the rights of those children to live. Those rights are gone and regardless of any circumstance, she should not be free ever again. JMHO.

Cal

 

[kato]

Agreed. I hold him more responsible in what happened than Andrea.

BTW - Kato, thanks for the 'on-the-scene' reporting. Great job at keeping us informed! :clap:

Thanks. Thought I was babbling. Good to have a TV in office. LOL

 

[Texana]

KPRC's legal expert (didn't catch his name, but he was looking a little soggy ) said that Dr. Dietz should be sanctioned by the AMA or something along the lines of being sanctioned, because of his testimony in the first trial. Said that Dietz wouldn't face perjury charges because the state used him again in the second trial as their witness, and therefore the state wasn't going to charge him with perjury in the first trial.

Said that Dietz was questioned during the second trial about his own testimony in the Deana Lacey trial (she beat two of her three children to death with stones; permanently injured the third, not guilty by reason of insanity) that Lacey was not guilty because God told her to kill her children; Yates was guilty because Satan told Andrea to kill, and Andrea should have known that Satan was bad.

Joe Owmby, Prosecutor is talking now. Saying that there is no mystery as to what happened. Yates called the police herself. Said that the police/DA's office/medical examiners all worked together to decide to bring charges. (I'm paraphrasing, but he basically is saying it was a group decision/act.) Says he's extremely disappointed but will respect the jury's decision.

Rusty is talking now. Said he is proud of the jury. Said that the saying "tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth" saying--y'know, the prosecutors said the truth, but it stopped at the first day. They didn't go on to tell the whole truth which was that she was insane and psychotic the day it happened. She never would have hurt them otherwise, she was a loving mother. Said that the prosecutors spent over a million dollars on both trials to find out what was obvious all along. Said that Andrea was taken off Haldol three times in prison and each time she went back to being psychotic, which testimony was not allowed during the second trial but should have been. Said that the state waited four months to evaluate Andrea instead of listening to the doctors who had been treating her.

Also saying that not having a death penalty qualified jury made a difference, a huge difference.

Reporter just asked Rusty that given there's been this time, to look over his own culpability in the situation, does he see things differently now, as painful as that is.

Rusty said that "People made mistakes, and there were things we should have done, things I should have done differently." (paraphrasing slightly again here.)

Says that he and Andrea are good friends now, they help each other, they can reminiesce about the children together. Pretty much every time they visit they spend time talking about the children.

 

[cinsbythesea]

I don't care to hear anything that has to say. He is about half as guilty as his wife for what happened.....

Cal

We finally agree on something!!! Ditto, ditto.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

The slighest ray of hope beams through. (chuckle)

Don't tell me you fell for the twinkie defense?

 

[Jules]

Yeah, but I think this verdict is crap. She had to chase the oldest down and drag him back to the tub. She knew what she was doing....although, I certainly think she snapped.

Regardless of her mental state at the time, the nature and the horrible degree of the crime necessitates she never enter society again. If that be in jail or a looney bin, I don't really care. The only rights I am concerned with are the rights of those children to live. Those rights are gone and regardless of any circumstance, she should not be free ever again. JMHO.

Cal

Completely understand. While I agree with the verdict and think she is legally insane, it still breaks my heart thinking about what she did - especially to the oldest one. I just cannot imagine what either was thinking. Absolutely heartbreaking.

As someone said after the verdict was read - everyone associated with this case is a victim - the kids, Andrea, the family members. I truly believe that.

 

[Texana]

Rusty's family members are now defending him. (mom and sister, I believe.) Sister--I think--Said Rusty did all he could do, fed her when she wouldn't eat in the hospital, made sure she took meds, etc. Very adamant about Rusty not being responsible and he did all he could do. His mother said she wished people could have known Andrea before all this happened.

Said that his family loves her and supports her and always will.

 

[Texana]

Forgot to add, the legal expert on KPRC also said that George Parnham, Andrea's attorney, spent every day present in the Lacey trial, and "clearly had done his homework."

 

[kato]

Rusty's family members are now defending him. (mom and sister, I believe.) Sister--I think--Said Rusty did all he could do, fed her when she wouldn't eat in the hospital, made sure she took meds, etc. Very adamant about Rusty not being responsible and he did all he could do. His mother said she wished people could have known Andrea before all this happened.

Said that his family loves her and supports her and always will.

I think that's his aunt or cousin or something. She has a weird name and is some sort of minister. Not in one of the main denominations.

 

[ljwf22]

I think that's his aunt or cousin or something. She has a weird name and is some sort of minister. Not in one of the main denominations.

She's his aunt. Fairy Caroland. (I like Carol Fairyland better!)

 

[kato]

She's his aunt. Fairy Caroland. (I like Carol Fairyland better!)

That's it.

 

[Wudge]

Agreed. I hold him more responsible in what happened than Andrea.

BTW - Kato, thanks for the 'on-the-scene' reporting. Great job at keeping us informed! :clap:

Two days before the murders, her doctor told her to stop taking her medication. In my mind, that was the root cause, not gross negligence by Rusty. Though he is not without parental fault. It's a matter of: Who gets the biggest spotlight.