TX - Five Yates children drowned, Houston, 20 June 2001 *Insanity*

[Earthbound Misfit I]

How do you know they are waiting for her? Do you have a seat reserved for yourself there?

Interesting--let me know when she moves to hell--they are waiting for her down there

 

[julianne]

How do you know they are waiting for her? Do you have a seat reserved for yourself there?

I'll answer, although you're posing the question to Peter Hamilton, because I agree with him---

I would say there is no better candidate for Hell (if there is such a thing) than a "mother" who methodically drowns all her innocent children. Call it karma, call it Hell, whatever you want to call it.....in the end when all is said and done, I firmly believe she will get what she deserves.

'Nuff said.

 

[kcksum]

I'll answer, although you're posing the question to Peter Hamilton, because I agree with him---

I would say there is no better candidate for Hell (if there is such a thing) than a "mother" who methodically drowns all her innocent children. Call it karma, call it Hell, whatever you want to call it.....in the end when all is said and done, I firmly believe she will get what she deserves.

'Nuff said.

I would have to agree, since apparently she still shows no genuine remorse even though she is now "cured". She apparently even talked about wanting to have another baby. That is the number one way she is without remorse. To know you were nuts enough to murder your own children, and then want more.She is the one who talked about how overwhelming it was to have children, and her attorneys are the ones who sold the whole "she was psychotic because her husband kept her pregnant and in post pardom psychosis" defense. Now she wants the state to trust her to procreate? Give me a break!
I hope she never sees the outside of a facility in her life. I hope the last thing she sees every night is the faces of her young looking at her in fear of the animal she was. Not human, less than human, just like a mother wolf who tired of her young and decided to kill them. She deserves to live in mental anguish and grief the rest of her days. But, like Scott Peterson and Jeff Macdonald and anyone else who cold bloodedly murdered their family, she just sits with that dumb look on her face, wanting to have more babies to kill. Just doesn't seem right.

 

[curious1]

Is this more like a 'hospital' where she can walk around? I would not want to be in the bathroom with her with a full tub o' water if I was a fellow resident.

 

[curious1]

Kcksum, I see you are one of 'those people'. You know the type who hold things in and never tell people what you really feel. Hee. You basically summed up my feelings on the whole disgusting thing.

 

[Glow]

I would have to agree, since apparently she still shows no genuine remorse even though she is now "cured". She apparently even talked about wanting to have another baby. That is the number one way she is without remorse. To know you were nuts enough to murder your own children, and then want more.She is the one who talked about how overwhelming it was to have children, and her attorneys are the ones who sold the whole "she was psychotic because her husband kept her pregnant and in post pardom psychosis" defense. Now she wants the state to trust her to procreate? Give me a break!
I hope she never sees the outside of a facility in her life. I hope the last thing she sees every night is the faces of her young looking at her in fear of the animal she was. Not human, less than human, just like a mother wolf who tired of her young and decided to kill them. She deserves to live in mental anguish and grief the rest of her days. But, like Scott Peterson and Jeff Macdonald and anyone else who cold bloodedly murdered their family, she just sits with that dumb look on her face, wanting to have more babies to kill. Just doesn't seem right.

I happen to think a mother wolf would act with much more decency...

good postkcksum

 

[Jeana (DP)]

The woman is crazier than a bed bug. My God doesn't punish people like that. You also don't know if she's remorseful or not since you never even spoken to her or anyone she knows. She was found NOT GUILTY by reason of insanity. Sorry if that bothers any of you, but she was tried in a court of law. If you disagree with it, do something to change the law instead of just biotching about it.

 

[KT Can]

The woman is crazier than a bed bug. My God doesn't punish people like that. You also don't know if she's remorseful or not since you never even spoken to her or anyone she knows. She was found NOT GUILTY by reason of insanity. Sorry if that bothers any of you, but she was tried in a court of law. If you disagree with it, do something to change the law instead of just biotching about it.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

I second that. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I second that. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Thanks! :blushing: :blushing: :blushing:

 

[julianne]

The woman is crazier than a bed bug. My God doesn't punish people like that. You also don't know if she's remorseful or not since you never even spoken to her or anyone she knows. She was found NOT GUILTY by reason of insanity. Sorry if that bothers any of you, but she was tried in a court of law. If you disagree with it, do something to change the law instead of just biotching about it.

Who's biotching about the law??? Who's disagreeing with ANYTHING about her legal case?? Who's saying they are bothered by her being found insane?? Not anyone on this thread from what I can see. All I'm saying is that in the end, I firmly believe that she will get what she justly deserves.

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

By reading kcksum's post I would say they are upset about Andrea being found NOT GUILTY by reason of insanity and thinks that Andrea was just putting on a show that she was mentally ill.

ETA: Andrea is still mentally ill and always will be.

Who's biotching about the law??? Who's disagreeing with ANYTHING about her legal case?? Who's saying they are bothered by her being found insane?? Not anyone on this thread from what I can see. All I'm saying is that in the end, I firmly believe that she will get what she justly deserves.

 

[CW]

I totaly agree 110% with Jeana post...

 

[Glow]

I agree with Jeana that God will not punish this mentally ill woman. I also agree with kcksum's concern over her being released and perhaps being a parent again.

 

[kcksum]

By reading kcksum's post I would say they are upset about Andrea being found NOT GUILTY by reason of insanity and thinks that Andrea was just putting on a show that she was mentally ill.

ETA: Andrea is still mentally ill and always will be.

then you infered wrong from reading my post. Never once did I say she wasn't mentally ill. It is obvious this woman was in a state of psychosis. A state that she had been in before and had been prescribed meds for that SHE chose to stop taking. SHE chose to stay married to a man that insited she remain pregnant and insisted she get off of her meds. Andrea Yates should have to shoulder some of the responsability here .....that's all I am saying.
I comented that she is now on meds and in a lucid state. It is in this lucid state of normalcy that Andrea has stated her wish to have another baby.....not in her psychotic state, in her well state. That to me says she has no remorse for the lives she has taken up to now.That she must not see herself as a bad mother, because she thinks she is "well" enough to take another crack at it. This is a woman who claims pregnancy in itself made her psychotic enough to drown her children, and now wants to have another pregnancy. That is like a serial killer claiming made him kill, and asking to have a stack of mags delivered to him.
I also never mentioned God's judgement. I talked about how I wanted her to be haunted by the faces of the children she chose to murder, and how I personally judge her. Don't confuse how I would judge her with they way God would judge her.I would never assume how God will choose to judge anyone, he's God, only he gets to make that call.
I also never was "Biotching" about the law. I think it sucks that anyone who kills five babies gets to eat three meals a day and enjoy living.....mentally ill or not......they are a menace to society, dangerous to society, and serve no purpose but to eat up tax dollars. I feel that way about all child murderers, regardless of their mental state. I also know that my opinion on that matter will never change any law in this country because most people don't feel that way.
I have no sympathy for Andrea yates, I have much sympathy for her children and those left behind who loved them. She chose to get off of her meds, she chose to keep having babies even though she knew having them put her in a mentally ill state. She made choices that led to the demise of five innocent children. Mentally ill or not, her choices are the biggest reason she is where she is today. For the record,I also think her husband should be charged as an accessory.

 

[julianne]

Very well said, kcksum.

Her day WILL come.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

then you infered wrong from reading my post. Never once did I say she wasn't mentally ill. It is obvious this woman was in a state of psychosis. A state that she had been in before and had been prescribed meds for that SHE chose to stop taking. SHE chose to stay married to a man that insited she remain pregnant and insisted she get off of her meds. Andrea Yates should have to shoulder some of the responsability here .....that's all I am saying.
I comented that she is now on meds and in a lucid state. It is in this lucid state of normalcy that Andrea has stated her wish to have another baby.....not in her psychotic state, in her well state. That to me says she has no remorse for the lives she has taken up to now.That she must not see herself as a bad mother, because she thinks she is "well" enough to take another crack at it. This is a woman who claims pregnancy in itself made her psychotic enough to drown her children, and now wants to have another pregnancy. That is like a serial killer claiming made him kill, and asking to have a stack of mags delivered to him.
I also never mentioned God's judgement. I talked about how I wanted her to be haunted by the faces of the children she chose to murder, and how I personally judge her. Don't confuse how I would judge her with they way God would judge her.I would never assume how God will choose to judge anyone, he's God, only he gets to make that call.
I also never was "Biotching" about the law. I think it sucks that anyone who kills five babies gets to eat three meals a day and enjoy living.....mentally ill or not......they are a menace to society, dangerous to society, and serve no purpose but to eat up tax dollars. I feel that way about all child murderers, regardless of their mental state. I also know that my opinion on that matter will never change any law in this country because most people don't feel that way.
I have no sympathy for Andrea yates, I have much sympathy for her children and those left behind who loved them. She chose to get off of her meds, she chose to keep having babies even though she knew having them put her in a mentally ill state. She made choices that led to the demise of five innocent children. Mentally ill or not, her choices are the biggest reason she is where she is today. For the record,I also think her husband should be charged as an accessory.

Well therein lies the problem in the way you're thinking about this case. She was found "not competent." So, all those "decisisions" and "choices" you talk about she is NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR. Why? Because she is mentally ill. If its on the books, then its a defense. I believe that she fits the insanity defense more than just about anyone I've ever heard of. Of course, I'd like someone to be able to assure me that she's not going to be released one day, but putting someone with her mental disease in prison is cruelty and we don't treat mental patients like that in this country.

 

[curious1]

snip...I comented that she is now on meds and in a lucid state. It is in this lucid state of normalcy that Andrea has stated her wish to have another baby.....not in her psychotic state, in her well state. That to me says she has no remorse for the lives she has taken up to now.That she must not see herself as a bad mother, because she thinks she is "well" enough to take another crack at it....snip

That is the part that bothers me also. She is on her meds now and knows what she did and has stated that she would like another child. Why?????? She knows what she did, what makes her think it would be any different the 6th time around?

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

You say you didn't infer that Andrea Yates was not mentally ill and in the state of psychosis when she killed her children. Interesting, because you posted that Andrea's attorneys are the ones who sold the whole thing about her being psychotic and about the post PARDOM psychosis (btw it should be postpartum psychosis not post pardom). To me that infers that you don't believe Andrea actually WAS psychotic and that her lawyers made it up as part of her defense. Right now Andrea is DOPED up to the hilt with meds and she still isn't mentally fit.

Yes Andrea did chose to be off her meds and a lot of MENTALLY ILL individuals do. They do not think they are ill and don't think they need meds. Some think that their medication is being poisoned and therefore stop taking it (They are paranoid) for that reason.

You compare Andrea Yates to Scott Peterson and Jeff McDonald and say she just sits there was a dumb look on her face. That look is the EFFECT of the medications she is STILL and will ALWAYS be on. It's called the FLAT effect. No

Where did you read that Andrea wants to have another child? I'd like to read that article myself.

I still remember Noah, John, Paul, Luke, & Mary and wish that Andrea would have had the treatment available to her so this did not happen. If people would stop turning a blind eye to mentally ill people and they start getting the treatment needed maybe these things would stop happening.

kcksum posted>>>
I would have to agree, since apparently she still shows no genuine remorse even though she is now "cured". She apparently even talked about wanting to have another baby. That is the number one way she is without remorse. To know you were nuts enough to murder your own children, and then want more.She is the one who talked about how overwhelming it was to have children, and her attorneys are the ones who sold the whole "she was psychotic because her husband kept her pregnant and in post pardom psychosis" defense. Now she wants the state to trust her to procreate? Give me a break!
I hope she never sees the outside of a facility in her life. I hope the last thing she sees every night is the faces of her young looking at her in fear of the animal she was. Not human, less than human, just like a mother wolf who tired of her young and decided to kill them. She deserves to live in mental anguish and grief the rest of her days. But, like Scott Peterson and Jeff Macdonald and anyone else who cold bloodedly murdered their family, she just sits with that dumb look on her face, wanting to have more babies to kill. Just doesn't seem right.

then you infered wrong from reading my post. Never once did I say she wasn't mentally ill. It is obvious this woman was in a state of psychosis. A state that she had been in before and had been prescribed meds for that SHE chose to stop taking. SHE chose to stay married to a man that insited she remain pregnant and insisted she get off of her meds. Andrea Yates should have to shoulder some of the responsability here .....that's all I am saying.
I comented that she is now on meds and in a lucid state. It is in this lucid state of normalcy that Andrea has stated her wish to have another baby.....not in her psychotic state, in her well state. That to me says she has no remorse for the lives she has taken up to now.That she must not see herself as a bad mother, because she thinks she is "well" enough to take another crack at it. This is a woman who claims pregnancy in itself made her psychotic enough to drown her children, and now wants to have another pregnancy. That is like a serial killer claiming made him kill, and asking to have a stack of mags delivered to him.
I also never mentioned God's judgement. I talked about how I wanted her to be haunted by the faces of the children she chose to murder, and how I personally judge her. Don't confuse how I would judge her with they way God would judge her.I would never assume how God will choose to judge anyone, he's God, only he gets to make that call.
I also never was "Biotching" about the law. I think it sucks that anyone who kills five babies gets to eat three meals a day and enjoy living.....mentally ill or not......they are a menace to society, dangerous to society, and serve no purpose but to eat up tax dollars. I feel that way about all child murderers, regardless of their mental state. I also know that my opinion on that matter will never change any law in this country because most people don't feel that way.
I have no sympathy for Andrea yates, I have much sympathy for her children and those left behind who loved them. She chose to get off of her meds, she chose to keep having babies even though she knew having them put her in a mentally ill state. She made choices that led to the demise of five innocent children. Mentally ill or not, her choices are the biggest reason she is where she is today. For the record,I also think her husband should be charged as an accessory.

 

[julianne]

You say you didn't infer that Andrea Yates was not mentally ill and in the state of psychosis when she killed her children. Interesting, because you posted that Andrea's attorneys are the ones who sold the whole thing about her being psychotic and about the post PARDOM psychosis (btw it should be postpartum psychosis not post pardom). To me that infers that you don't believe Andrea actually WAS psychotic and that her lawyers made it up as part of her defense. Right now Andrea is DOPED up to the hilt with meds and she still isn't mentally fit.

Yes Andrea did chose to be off her meds and a lot of MENTALLY ILL individuals do. They do not think they are ill and don't think they need meds. Some think that their medication is being poisoned and therefore stop taking it (They are paranoid) for that reason.

You compare Andrea Yates to Scott Peterson and Jeff McDonald and say she just sits there was a dumb look on her face. That look is the EFFECT of the medications she is STILL and will ALWAYS be on. It's called the FLAT effect. No

Where did you read that Andrea wants to have another child? I'd like to read that article myself.

I still remember Noah, John, Paul, Luke, & Mary and wish that Andrea would have had the treatment available to her so this did not happen. If people would stop turning a blind eye to mentally ill people and they start getting the treatment needed maybe these things would stop happening.

She DID have treatment READILY available---doctors, psychiatrists, medication----what wasn't readily available to her??? She went to docs, got prescriptions, took medication, and was even temporarily placed. This wasn't someone who didn't have the resources to treat her problems and make her deal with her issues. She CHOSE not to continue utilizing those resources that were sooooo available to her---and five innocent babies suffered horrific deaths because of it. She CHOSE to go against medical advice and get pregnant again----which only resulted in another innocent babies corpse to be buried!