TX - Five Yates children drowned, Houston, 20 June 2001 *Insanity*

[Annie]

I don't think life was easy for Rusty before this happened. With all of Andrea's problems, it couldn't have been easy. He was trying to support the family and did take her to doctors. I think they made the wrong decision in having another child, but the medication had worked once and they probably thought they would again. I am sure they know now that was a wrong decision. They were no longer living in a bus. They were living in a house when this happened, and his mother was coming every morning to spend the day and help out. Andrea knew to do this between the time Rusty left and his mom arrived. I think she will be in a mental hospital for the rest of her life, and this is where I think she should be. I am happy that Rusty has found a new wife and has a new baby boy. I wish all of them happiness. He has suffered one of the worst things a parent can endure.

 

[booradley]

I so agree, Boo. Grief is so much harder than I ever knew. Losing someone close to me in Dec. has fogged my brain and affected me so much. I am sane but a different person and more vulnerable emotionally and physically.

I'm sorry for your loss, ((((EVE))))

 

[eve]

I so agree, Boo. Grief is so much harder than I ever knew. Losing someone close to me in Dec. has fogged my brain and affected me so much. I am sane but a different person and more vulnerable emotionally and physically.

I'm sorry for your loss, ((((EVE))))

Thanks Boo.:blowkiss: Love your nic, BTW. I teach English!

Eve

 

[jilly]

I didn't know this. Too bad charges could not be brought against him.
I feel like he just drove Andrea completely over the edge. He demanded too much from her, expected it, dictated a very unstable life in which to raise children, and he had to have known how 'fragile' she was mentally.

Their bizarre life together, becoming "gypsy holy rollers" and living in a bus! That all sounds so crazy to me! I think any of us could snap under such circumstances, not to the extenet that Andrea did, but it wouldn't be a pleasant life enduring such an existence.


Then seeing photos of Rusty and his new wife, all dressed up and getting into a little red sports car. That's quite a contrast.

This was a horrible sickening crime that Andrea commited, one of the most upsetting ones I can remember, but I also think that some of the things that Andrea endured during the marriage to Rusty was also a crime. And Rusty instilled a lot of the crazy notions into Andrea's head!

Just my :twocents: !

Hi Sweet! I completely agree with you. I think he helped her along to feeling worthless. One thing that's stuck in my mind is when the Detective went into the house to talk to Rusty, he somehow asked for a glass of water. Rusty told him "you won't find a clean glass in this house or words to that effect. That demeaning remark really irked me. My gut feeling at the time was that he probably drove her to do this.

 

[CarpeDiem]

Hi Sweet! I completely agree with you. I think he helped her along to feeling worthless. One thing that's stuck in my mind is when the Detective went into the house to talk to Rusty, he somehow asked for a glass of water. Rusty told him "you won't find a clean glass in this house or words to that effect. That demeaning remark really irked me. My gut feeling at the time was that he probably drove her to do this.

That was a strange interraction, but stranger still that Andrea had the where with all after committing the five heinous murders of her own children, to speak up about where a clean glass could be found.

 

[j2mirish]

Hi Sweet! I completely agree with you. I think he helped her along to feeling worthless. One thing that's stuck in my mind is when the Detective went into the house to talk to Rusty, he somehow asked for a glass of water. Rusty told him "you won't find a clean glass in this house or words to that effect. That demeaning remark really irked me. My gut feeling at the time was that he probably drove her to do this.

That was a strange interraction, but stranger still that Andrea had the where with all after committing the five heinous murders of her own children, to speak up about where a clean glass could be found.

I believe Rusty said that- not Andrea

 

[CarpeDiem]

I believe Rusty said that- not Andrea

Nah, it was Andrea:


"Stumpo went outside and took a break, leaving Andrea Yates with Knapp. He noticed that Rusty Yates briefly recovered his composure, then became distraught again. To say that this day sucked didn't begin to cover it. Stumpo offered the guy and his mom some water -- it was their house. Yates replied that Stumpo would be lucky to find a clean glass: five kids had just eaten breakfast in front of the TV. Stumpo searched the kitchen. "The guy was right," he muttered, "there aren't any clean glasses."
"There are glasses in here," Andrea Yates said, helpfully pointing to the china cupboard. The stuff suspects say never ceased to amaze Stumpo. He thought "stoic" was a good word to describe Andrea Yates's demeanor."

http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?pid=497820&tab=1&agid=2

 

[Texana]

I'm going to bet Rusty doesn't have this child home-schooled, either.

Just a bet. Sigh.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Reading Yates threads is always hard for me. Usually I sit and cry, sometimes I get so mad I want to scream and other times I want to hug some of you through this computer screen.

 

[deanws]

I so agree, Boo. Grief is so much harder than I ever knew. Losing someone close to me in Dec. has fogged my brain and affected me so much. I am sane but a different person and more vulnerable emotionally and physically.

I did not know all that about Andrea. That is so horrible. I can now say I loathe her husband and what he stood for - whatever that was!:furious:

Eve

(((EVE))) Hope you feel some comfort soon. I know it is hard losing your loved ones.

 

[deanws]

I'm going to bet Rusty doesn't have this child home-schooled, either.

Just a bet. Sigh.

I am with you Tex. He makes me sick!

 

[twinkiesmom]

That was a strange interraction, but stranger still that Andrea had the where with all after committing the five heinous murders of her own children, to speak up about where a clean glass could be found.

My extremely mentally ill aunt has moments of complete rationality. But she has also had moments of murderous rage. That's why it's called insanity...If Andrea were lucid all the time, she'd be no different than a Susan Smith. The REAL Andrea is not guilty of this crime, no matter how heinous it was.

 

[curious1]

After reading so much on this I did once have a thought (they are rare :crazy: ) that maybe, just maybe at some point seeing what was happening to her and knowing what he did about her illness did he not just decide that he wanted to start over again. He could divorce her, but with her mental condition he would probably end up with custody of all those kids at some point and he just did not want that so maybe he gave her more than a nudge over the edge hoping in the back of his mind that she would take care of everything for him. I never posted it because I just knew I would get slammed for it, but with all the things we read on WS do you not think it possible?

He just seems so different, so care free in his new life as if a burden (namely an unstable wife and all those kids) had been lifted from him. JMO please do not blast me. :truce:

 

[deanws]

My extremely mentally ill aunt has moments of complete rationality. But she has also had moments of murderous rage. That's why it's called insanity...If Andrea were lucid all the time, she'd be no different than a Susan Smith. The REAL Andrea is not guilty of this crime, no matter how heinous it was.

I agree with you twinkie. I think she is where she belongs...a mental hospital, not a jail cell. I hate that things happened the way they did. I DESPISE Susan Smith. She is a b*tch from hell. I know that is mean to say, but that is how I feel about her. I will always feel for Andrea. What kind of personal hell is she living everyday? The more sane she becomes, the more she has to live with what she did. Then of course, that would make her depressed again, and the cycle begins all over again. What a living hell she is trapped in. I am sad those babies never got to grow up. It is all so sad. Mental illness is a cruel card dealt that ruins so many families. My son is studying to be a shrink. I am proud that he may one day help people like Andrea.

 

[deanws]

After reading so much on this I did once have a thought (they are rare :crazy: ) that maybe, just maybe at some point seeing what was happening to her and knowing what he did about her illness did he not just decide that he wanted to start over again. He could divorce her, but with her mental condition he would probably end up with custody of all those kids at some point and he just did not want that so maybe he gave her more than a nudge over the edge hoping in the back of his mind that she would take care of everything for him. I never posted it because I just knew I would get slammed for it, but with all the things we read on WS do you not think it possible?

He just seems so different, so care free in his new life as if a burden (namely an unstable wife and all those kids) had been lifted from him. JMO please do not blast me. :truce:

Anything is possible curious. I will not slam you for your opinion. :blowkiss:

 

[j2mirish]

Nah, it was Andrea:


"Stumpo went outside and took a break, leaving Andrea Yates with Knapp. He noticed that Rusty Yates briefly recovered his composure, then became distraught again. To say that this day sucked didn't begin to cover it. Stumpo offered the guy and his mom some water -- it was their house. Yates replied that Stumpo would be lucky to find a clean glass: five kids had just eaten breakfast in front of the TV. Stumpo searched the kitchen. "The guy was right," he muttered, "there aren't any clean glasses."
"There are glasses in here," Andrea Yates said, helpfully pointing to the china cupboard. The stuff suspects say never ceased to amaze Stumpo. He thought "stoic" was a good word to describe Andrea Yates's demeanor."

http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?pid=497820&tab=1&agid=2

sorry- I misunderstood what you were stating she said

 

[curious1]

Thank you deanws. :blowkiss:

 

[Kim Ii]

You know, I wrote Rusty after his wife's first trial was over. He was very sweet and wrote me back. I honestly don't recall too much of what he and I both said to one another, but I do recall that I told him that I felt true compassion for both he and Andrea and that I wished them both all the best.

I, too, initially felt that Rusty was somewhat to blame for SOME of what was happening to Andrea. Living in that bus was weird to me for starters. But I also know that facts are more often than not, distorted in the press (I've been the victim of that one, too) and I knew, or sensed anyway, that Rusty truly loved Andrea and he was there for her during that entire Trial and afterwards.

Do I agree with everything Rusty supposedly did (or didn't do) during his marriage to Andrea? No. I don't. But I don't think we will ever really understand the true complexities in that marriage and quite honestly, I feel much of the blame could possibly be placed on Andrea's physician.

But, on the other hand, Andrea certainly seems to be supportive of Randy and his new family (that's taken from a quote from her own Mother) and I know that Randy still cares for Andrea and has stated publicly that he will always care for her. He had 5 children with her --

Still, after everything is said and done, I would want to wish Rusty well. I hope his new family can bring hope to him in the future -- life does, indeed, go on. I know Rusty will always love those 5 children with all his heart. I hope he finds new stability and true happiness with his new wife and infant son. I am also guessing that the lessons he learned from his first marriage to Andrew won't be repeated mistakes in the second.

 

[Kim Ii]

...that's ANDREA, not ANDREW...in that last sentence in my above post.

 

[jilly]

Nah, it was Andrea:


"Stumpo went outside and took a break, leaving Andrea Yates with Knapp. He noticed that Rusty Yates briefly recovered his composure, then became distraught again. To say that this day sucked didn't begin to cover it. Stumpo offered the guy and his mom some water -- it was their house. Yates replied that Stumpo would be lucky to find a clean glass: five kids had just eaten breakfast in front of the TV. Stumpo searched the kitchen. "The guy was right," he muttered, "there aren't any clean glasses."
"There are glasses in here," Andrea Yates said, helpfully pointing to the china cupboard. The stuff suspects say never ceased to amaze Stumpo. He thought "stoic" was a good word to describe Andrea Yates's demeanor."

http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?pid=497820&tab=1&agid=2

Holy Smokes - I'd never heard about Andrea saying that! Amazing how the media edits critical portions isn't it? I mean it even makes sense that there wouldn't be any clean glasses after the kids having breakfast doesn't it?