TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #5

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This thread is making me feel like a time traveler, and that is making me profoundly sad.

Justice for this innocent soul, and peace for his family.
 
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Is it a waste of time to have a gun residue expert testifying? Yes, the weapon was fired. Yes, AG fired it. No one is disputing this information.
I don't think its a waste of time, I think its to possibly show where the weapon was fired and also to get ahead of the defense trying to use the GSR on BJ as proof of range when fired. She made it clear that could not be determined in this case using the GSR because transfer cant be ruled out.
 
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I don't feel that race had anything to do with AG shooting and killing him. I believe that whoever was in that apartment would have been shot. However, I do agree that the trial happening has a lot to do with race.
It does...as well as the charges.
 
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I don't feel that race had anything to do with AG shooting and killing him. I believe that whoever was in that apartment would have been shot. However, I do agree that the trial happening has a lot to do with race.

I believe you are correct and that scares the hell out of me
 
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I don't feel that race had anything to do with AG shooting and killing him. I believe that whoever was in that apartment would have been shot. However, I do agree that the trial happening has a lot to do with race.
Completely agree! There are lots of scenarios that would've prevented this case making national headlines. For instance had it been a white male that was shot, you would never hear about this case in my opinion. It most likely would've been quietly dealt with.
 
  • #826
@BeachSky I agree, Botham Jean was eating ice cream on the sofa after getting high, he wasn't going to "charge" anyone who opened his door.

She seemed awfully fast with her gun. To go from opening a door, seeing a man, and shooting him before she realized she was in the wrong apartment.

Going from too distracted to know where she was going, to drawing her gun and firing. There is a problem there, with her assessment of threat factor. Probably good that she is no longer a police officer. She doesn't have enough sense to have a gun.
 
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I don't think its a waste of time, I think its to possibly show where the weapon was fired and also to get ahead of the defense trying to use the GSR on BJ as proof of range when fired. She made it clear that could not be determined in this case using the GSR because transfer cant be ruled out.
You're right. I thought of that immediately AFTER I hit post reply. I now see that they are trying to prove the "he charged toward me" defense.
 
  • #828
You're right. I thought of that immediately AFTER I hit post reply. I now see that they are trying to prove the "he charged toward me" defense.

I wonder if Botham Jean was drug tested? He was probably positive for THC. They should have some experts on the likelihood of a guy who just smoked a bowl, getting up and "charging" anyone.
 
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Is it a waste of time to have a gun residue expert testifying? Yes, the weapon was fired. Yes, AG fired it. No one is disputing this information.

Maybe from how far?
 
  • #830
I wonder if Botham Jean was drug tested? He was probably positive for THC. They should have some experts on the likelihood of a guy who just smoked a bowl, getting up and "charging" anyone.

There well may be jurors who have personal experience and will share what they know during deliberations. moo
 
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Yet, as someone who taught for years at a Sheriff’s academy, one of the main points I had to drive home was that being a policeman is not the most dangerous occupation. The Bureau of Labor Statistics, year after year, shows that. Worldwide, the same occupation comes up in nearly every nation as the “most dangerous” (fisherman; if controlled by which nations are landlocked, fishing is and apparently has always been the world’s most dangerous occupation).

The other “most dangerous” include roofers, airline pilots and flight engineers, loggers, and refuse workers. My brother, a pilot, is 3X more likely to die in the line of duty than my friends who are police. And fisherman are about 7-8X more likely to die than police.

Firefighters and police share similar death stats, and yet, both groups choose their professions knowing the risks and in my view, must work with that knowledge and not excuse illegal or negligent or antisocial behavior because there are risks. We honor some of these professions way more (police and firefighters get the flag at half mast where I live - refuse workers and pilots do not).

I agree that as a society, we must do what we can to equip police and support them in their duties; permitting them to use the tools we’ve provided to harm innocent people cannot be part of the gig. Perhaps our legal system is not yet equipped to deal with these police-specific screw-ups, and maybe this case will be part of addressing that.

Obviously, we need to treat police the same as all other citizens when it comes to facing justice. I sure don’t know what “justice” is in this case, but 180 days in jail does not seem like enough. Truthfully, if she could some how spend the rest of her life involved in traveling the nation to warn other police about the need to separate personal lives and personal problems (including the need for overtime) from their professional duties...that would be great.
I have read and heard this scenario so many times and I just can not get over the fact that a roofer, yes there is a risk of falling off of a roof, does not have to climb a ladder up to that roof and lay roofing while some nutcase is firing an AK 47 assault rifle at them. A fisherman may go overboard or drown while sinking in a storm but they are not out there pulling in nets or hauling in catches while some nutcase is firing at them. Pilots are always at the risk of losing control of the plane and crashing. That said, unless they are fighter pilots, they do not have to fly under the pressure of receiving live rounds. The above workers do not leave home each morning with a weapon in anticipation of encountering a nutcase who is more heavily armed than they are while committing a crime and who will not hesitate to murder them. Law enforcement rush to the crime, not away from the crime like regular citizens would do.
 
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I have read and heard this scenario so many times and I just can not get over the fact that a roofer, yes there is a risk of falling off of a roof, does not have to climb a ladder up to that roof and lay roofing while some nutcase is firing an AK 47 assault rifle at them. A fisherman may go overboard or drown while sinking in a storm but they are not out there pulling in nets or hauling in catches while some nutcase is firing at them. Pilots are always at the risk of losing control of the plane and crashing. That said, unless they are fighter pilots, they do not have to fly under the pressure of receiving live rounds. The above workers do not leave home each morning with a weapon in anticipation of encountering a nutcase who is more heavily armed than they are while committing a crime and who will not hesitate to murder them. Law enforcement rush to the crime, not away from the crime like regular citizens would do.

Yes. Good points. I mean I have a dangerous job but I'm not a hero.

These people are specifically hired to protect society. And they ignore all human instinct and run into the line of fire to do so.

I will never forget the video of the people huddling in a hall during the San Bernardino massacre. A cop was with them. One cried out in fear that the gunmen would find and get them.

The cop definitively and almost defiantly stated- "Don't you worry. They'd have to get through me and I won't let them." And he meant it.

When it comes to a discussion of cops and what they risk, who they are, whether they're inherently protective or inherently aggressive, I like the words my dad used to say, "Ni tanto ni tan poco."

It's really never black and white. But we need to try to be fair in our assessments.
 
  • #837
Doctor who performed autopsy is testifying regarding angle of shot.
 
  • #838
The ME testimony about the path of bullet strongly points to BJ sitting or in the process of standing/crouching.
 
  • #839
So so sad
 
  • #840
The ME testimony about the path of bullet strongly points to BJ sitting or in the process of standing/crouching.

Which makes the defense story full of crap that he was coming at her while standing up
 
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