GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #6

[CrimeDawg123]

oh wow...honestly I thought there was a dog there and she was talking to the dog...wow.

When I've heard the 911 call and heard her calling him "bud", it rankles me to no end how disrespectful it sounds. I hope his family has not heard that.

 

[YESorNO]

Bo’s birthday is today. His sister wrote about him and the night he died
My Brother, Botham Jean

My phone rang, and without looking at the caller ID, I knew who it was.
Botham was on the other end with a smile in his voice, “Guess where I’m heading, Big Sis?” His joy was so contagious I started laughing. He was heading home early from work because of rain and was overjoyed. I said, “Count your blessings.” Botham and I were raised in the Church of Christ, and the saying comes from an old hymn that goes: Count your blessings. Name them one by one.
Botham had many blessings to count. The week before, he was on a strict soup diet after a wisdom tooth extraction. That day he got the green light from his dentist to eat ice cream. Botham loved dairy! When we were growing up, my aunt Desma and I called him Milky Way because of his love for anything with milk: ice cream, milkshakes, egg nog, cereal.
Once Botham purchased a tub of ice cream, he was set for the evening. We spoke about his upcoming birthday, the start of the football season that night. We exchanged our normal daily banter. We spoke almost every day, about everything and nothing. We always started a conversation via text and finished it over the phone.

Today Would Have Been Botham Jean's 28th Birthday And Social Media Is Celebrating His Life

Sept 29, 2019

"Today, September 29, would’ve been slain Dallas resident Botham Jean’s 28th birthday.

During his vigil, Botham’s mother Allison Jean described her son as a man who at an early age dedicated himself to Christianity and approached his parents at age 8 to be baptized. He would eventually teach his mother’s church choir how to read music and arranged singers by sopranos, altos, bass, and tenor.

Botham Jean attended Harding University, a private Christian school in Arkansas. He was accepted to the university in 2011 and moved to the United States at the age of 19....

Social media also reflected on Botham Jean's life. See what some had to say below...."

Today Would Have Been Botham Jean's 28th Birthday And Social Media Is Celebrating His Life

 

[gitana1]

Oh, I knew that. I wasn’t talking about her answers. I was talking more so as if the prosecution stepped out of line with certain things. I was going to use the example that you were using as to him repeating the question and her answering it already, but I guess you are right, never thought about - he didn’t ask for the reason as to why, so he can continue to go until she directly answer with yes or no. Got it. That’s why I was confused.

It can be confusing.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

Listen, when he showed the video which juxtapositions Botham Jean’s body being taken out on a stretcher and her getting in the car and immediately starting scrolling through her phone......I was DONE with her!! Gtfoh! The cross exam was perfect!

I was already done with her but I really was done done done with her when I heard and saw that. As if nothing happened, no type of worry whatsoever.

I know somebody will get here on and say you’d never know how you would feel at that time or how you would act but I can tell you this, the last thing I’m worrying about is texting, my job, getting drunk ... actually I’m almost certain that I would be crying and remorseful though this whole entire trial.

Instead she cries just like she was coached
By her lawyers. So obviously fake.

Answer all questions normally - until she gets to the
“Let’s talk about sept 6.” Starts crying right On cue.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

It can be confusing.

That’s why we have you here lol

 

[Catmommy]

Regarding CPR - you don't do this on anybody with a pulse period. If the victim was responding in any way or breathing on his own, the first move would be to stop the bleeding. CPR is NEVER performed on anybody with even a faint heart rate, they must be unresponsive and pulseless.

 

[Catmommy]

In essence, dead, so CPR will never make dead worse.

 

[Weki]

Regarding CPR - you don't do this on anybody with a pulse period. If the victim was responding in any way or breathing on his own, the first move would be to stop the bleeding. CPR is NEVER performed on anybody with even a faint heart rate, they must be unresponsive and pulseless.

You’re absolutely right! That was the Red Cross training too - I remember now that you said it.

 

[Mormon Attorney]

Regarding CPR - you don't do this on anybody with a pulse period. If the victim was responding in any way or breathing on his own, the first move would be to stop the bleeding. CPR is NEVER performed on anybody with even a faint heart rate, they must be unresponsive and pulseless.

Thank you!!! I dont think any of the attorneys realized that either. IIRC, the prosecutor pointed out he was still alive at the scene with AG but later really pointed out she did not do CPR. It was because of the bleeding that it did not set right with me.

But, if you are correct, both attorneys should have realized CPR could not be done but that other appropriate actions could be taken.

 

[gitana1]

Thank you!!! I dont think any of the attorneys realized that either. IIRC, the prosecutor pointed out he was still alive at the scene with AG but later really pointed out she did not do CPR. It was because of the bleeding that it did not set right with me.

But, if you are correct, both attorneys should have realized CPR could not be done but that other appropriate actions could be taken.

IIRC they focused on the fact that she attempted zero life saving measures. Not that she just didn't do CPR.

And she didn't.

 

[mickey2942]

The goal of CPR is to keep blood pumping to the brain. Once the brain is deprived of oxygen, onoxia starts.

A bullet wound has no indication, unless it is from a huge shotgun, what the wound is like inside, so you would follow protocol, and do CPR.
Or, if he is still breathing and responsive, put pressure on the bleeding. ABC, Airway, Breathing, Circulation.

Or, in AG's case, text message your buddy, and pace outside. Leaving Botham Jean to bleed out, with no oxygen going to his brain.

 

[Catmommy]

No, the goal of CPR is to keep the heart pumping by compressing it externally. Tissue and cells begin to die and decompose immediately without oxygen carrying blood. Anoxia is sometimes the result of even effective CPR i.e. the body lives.

 

[mickey2942]

Today Would Have Been Botham Jean's 28th Birthday And Social Media Is Celebrating His Life

Sept 29, 2019

"Today, September 29, would’ve been slain Dallas resident Botham Jean’s 28th birthday.

During his vigil, Botham’s mother Allison Jean described her son as a man who at an early age dedicated himself to Christianity and approached his parents at age 8 to be baptized. He would eventually teach his mother’s church choir how to read music and arranged singers by sopranos, altos, bass, and tenor.

Botham Jean attended Harding University, a private Christian school in Arkansas. He was accepted to the university in 2011 and moved to the United States at the age of 19....

Social media also reflected on Botham Jean's life. See what some had to say below...."

Today Would Have Been Botham Jean's 28th Birthday And Social Media Is Celebrating His Life

Botham Jean's story is truly an "American Dream" gone wrong. He came here as an immigrant, going to school, working, contributing to society.

Truly, one of the best and brightest. He seems to have radiated positive energy to everyone.

No wonder his Mother sees AG as a "devil". It makes me wonder about evil in the world.

 

[Mormon Attorney]

To everyone above, as an attorney, fact issues bother me. I understand the prosecution and defense. I have also lost a child and have friends who knew and dearly loved the victim. I cannot compare my loss to the family and friends of Botham at all and I am not making excuses for anything or anyone. I was just really bothered by the focus on CPR because it did not set right with me. It surprises me that neither attorney picked up on that. As far as the case, the same arguments can be made re stopping the blood, etc. and I will leave that to the jury. The CPR use is just something I needed to clear up.

If Catmommy is correct, the prosecution should have hammered stopping the bleeding not CPR . They touched it some but the main focus to me was CPR. On the other hand, the defense attorney could have mitigated some damage by using AG or an expert to say CPR was not appropriate. I think that was a missed opportunity - ie, the reasonableness of CPR at the scene. It is moot now because it looks like all evidence has been entered but I am glad to have medical input on that issue (and also personal information if I ever need to do CPR - I remembered the techniques but thought you could use it in a faint heartbeat to get it going).

I have not given any opinion on this case and will not. I have great faith in juries and the legal process. But, please never doubt, that whatever the outcome, I feel great pain for all impacted by this horrific event, especially the family of Botham. He was truly innocent in every respect and they will bear this loss every single day of their lives. There can be no debate about that.

 

[rosesfromangels]

To everyone above, as an attorney, fact issues bother me. I understand the prosecution and defense. I have also lost a child and have friends who knew and dearly loved the victim. I cannot compare my loss to the family and friends of Botham at all and I am not making excuses for anything or anyone. I was just really bothered by the focus on CPR because it did not set right with me. It surprises me that neither attorney picked up on that. As far as the case, the same arguments can be made re stopping the blood, etc. and I will leave that to the jury. The CPR use is just something I needed to clear up.

If Catmommy is correct, the prosecution should have hammered stopping the bleeding not CPR . They touched it some but the main focus to me was CPR. On the other hand, the defense attorney could have mitigated some damage by using AG or an expert to say CPR was not appropriate. I think that was a missed opportunity - ie, the reasonableness of CPR at the scene. It is moot now because it looks like all evidence has been entered but I am glad to have medical input on that issue (and also personal information if I ever need to do CPR - I remembered the techniques but thought you could use it in a faint heartbeat to get it going).

I have not given any opinion on this case and will not. I have great faith in juries and the legal process. But, please never doubt, that whatever the outcome, I feel great pain for all impacted by this horrific event, especially the family of Botham. He was truly innocent in every respect and they will bear this loss every single day of their lives. There can be no debate about that.

If I am understanding you correctly, you are stating that CPR would have just made him bleed out all the more, and the focus should have been stopping the bleed out? That makes sense to me. Although, at some point, he must have gone in to cardiac arrest, and CPR *and* holding the wounds would have been needed. Is this directionally what you are pointing out?

Tragic

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[mickey2942]

Maybe the prosecution is focusing on CPR, because it seems like that is what people see on tv when someone gets shot. The folks on the jury are probably not medical professionals.

It is just one more thing, reason to demonstrate the absolute callousness of AG. She was trained in CPR, and didn't even bother to do it. Or anything else.

Honestly, CPR is very difficult to do, I don't have the strength, muscle tone, or even in enough shape to do it for very long. I can barely pass the computer test with the dummy for one minute.

But, that is a side issue. AG should have tried to do something. Maybe she was in shock. But she managed to text her BF in "shock".

 

[722prayers]

To everyone above, as an attorney, fact issues bother me. I understand the prosecution and defense. I have also lost a child and have friends who knew and dearly loved the victim. I cannot compare my loss to the family and friends of Botham at all and I am not making excuses for anything or anyone. I was just really bothered by the focus on CPR because it did not set right with me. It surprises me that neither attorney picked up on that. As far as the case, the same arguments can be made re stopping the blood, etc. and I will leave that to the jury. The CPR use is just something I needed to clear up.

If Catmommy is correct, the prosecution should have hammered stopping the bleeding not CPR . They touched it some but the main focus to me was CPR. On the other hand, the defense attorney could have mitigated some damage by using AG or an expert to say CPR was not appropriate. I think that was a missed opportunity - ie, the reasonableness of CPR at the scene. It is moot now because it looks like all evidence has been entered but I am glad to have medical input on that issue (and also personal information if I ever need to do CPR - I remembered the techniques but thought you could use it in a faint heartbeat to get it going).

I have not given any opinion on this case and will not. I have great faith in juries and the legal process. But, please never doubt, that whatever the outcome, I feel great pain for all impacted by this horrific event, especially the family of Botham. He was truly innocent in every respect and they will bear this loss every single day of their lives. There can be no debate about that.

Let me preface this by stating the obvious, and that is that every police officer in this country is trained a different way depending on the Academy and Department they attended/worked for. As an Officer for the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police, I was trained as an EMT with full certification during the Police Academy.

CPR is not done with one hand. Ever. Guyger could have chosen to apply pressure to the wound or to perform CPR, but likely not both given the location of the wound and that she was alone. The problem I found her in her testimony is that she truly did NEITHER.

Not only that, but if she had attempted CPR(as she claimed), she almost certainly would have gotten blood on her uniform somewhere. Yet none was found. NONE. Not a single drop, anywhere on her uniform.

She admits Dallas trained them in CPR but then on the stand said she had never performed CPR on a live person. That is the case for even civilians trained in CPR, yet they never hesitate to try when the situation arises. I was so distburbed by her testimony, I only made it through 35 minutes.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Maybe the prosecution is focusing on CPR, because it seems like that is what people see on tv when someone gets shot. The folks on the jury are probably not medical professionals.

It is just one more thing, reason to demonstrate the absolute callousness of AG. She was trained in CPR, and didn't even bother to do it. Or anything else.

Honestly, CPR is very difficult to do, I don't have the strength, muscle tone, or even in enough shape to do it for very long. I can barely pass the computer test with the dummy for one minute.

But, that is a side issue. AG should have tried to do something. Maybe she was in shock. But she managed to text her BF in "shock".

And, it points out yet more evidence that this Officer wasn't fit for duty. Lending aid is a standard response and routine part of LE's job. Aside from being trigger happy, she failed on lending aid as well. FAIL. FAIL. Deadly fail. As I posted upthread, any *decent human being* would have at least held his hand while he lay there expiring. Despicable.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[iluvmua]

When I've heard the 911 call and heard her calling him "bud", it rankles me to no end how disrespectful it sounds. I hope his family has not heard that.

Well, she didn't know his name.

At least she didn't say guy.

 

[722prayers]

Well, she didn't know his name.

At least she didn't say guy.

Funny, I used Sir or Ma'am for any complainant, suspect, etc when addressing them.