GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #6

[VAgirlatheart]

I'm already there so, if this happens, welcome to club.

Technically me too, I don’t know why I would even begin to think this is any different. Especially when a police department “plans for riots” after a trial. Some may call that smart planning, but I for one didn’t like that they put that out there like she was gonna be acquitted from the beginning

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Probably right. I say "ya'll" a million times a day. I do not think I would even notice him saying it... it is just our way of life.

Totally agree. If I were on the jury I would not be phased by y'all at all, y'all.

 

[tabletalk123]

To the attorneys on here,

Is there any studies that show what a verdict could possibly be based on timing that they deliberate? Shorter or Longer?

Not an attorney but I’ve heard shorter the deliberation usually means guilty.

(Edit to say it was from people on Court Tv from other cases they have followed. )

 

[VAgirlatheart]

Someone bring Jason hermus back out.

 

[angelainwi]

Really? I'm going to need to watch this later.

I will be curious to see your opinion later, but they are trying to overzealously make her appear reasonable and prudent. "Was it unreasonable for her to dream of being a police officer?" "Was it unreasonable for her to go to college..." And they are bringing up so many things that hurt their case, like when you try to soften the blows before they come. Those blows already came, why keep bringing them up

 

[gitana1]

To the attorneys on here,

Is there any studies that show what a verdict could possibly be based on timing that they deliberate? Shorter or Longer?

There are studies about length of deliberation - average length and what goes on- but I don't think they look at outcomes. I haven't seen any.

 

[angelainwi]

Bringing up that his use of marijuana may have worked against his ability to process the situation.

 

[Mormon Attorney]

For those not watching, defense hammering that LAW is what must be applied. Doesnt matter if you hate her or not (said at the beginning). Reminding jury that they each swore to follow the law and the evidence is clear that AG firmly believed she was in our own apartment. Law is clear so duty is clear - not guilty. Trying to type fast.

Pros up

 

[turaj]

Personally I think the defense's closing has been very weak and bordering on low level histrionics at times.

Really? I'm going to need to watch this later.

i think the opposite....I thought for a defense that had a weakly presented case...it was strong.

 

[Weki]

Stellar closing by defense!

Here we go Hermus!

 

[gitana1]

Not an attorney but I’ve heard shorter the deliberation usually means guilty.

(Edit to say it was from people on Court Tv from other cases they have followed. )

That's what's the Anthony prosecution thought. They were all smiles walking to the courthouse to hear the verdict.

But I think you're right.

 

[angelainwi]

If I had to use one word to describe the defense's closing it would be ridiculous

 

[kodi]

Oh I feel the State's rebuttal is going to be strong. He's confidant and focused.

 

[gitana1]

For those not watching, defense hammering that LAW is what must be applied. Doesnt matter if you hate her or not (said at the beginning). Reminding jury that they each swore to follow the law and the evidence is clear that AG firmly believed she was in our own apartment. Law is clear so duty is clear - not guilty. Trying to type fast.

Pros up

I hope the jury follows that. Because IMO the LAW is very clear that her mistake as a LE officer carrying a loaded weapon was not reasonable. She had no business being distracted or failing to follow department protocol.

 

[Mormon Attorney]

Personal opinion on just effectiveness - AG's testimony was not helpful to defense due to issues brought up on boards. For the weakness of the case after that, I think defense closing was much better for case. Not judging outcome but, as someone said, defense closing was stronger than testimony. Her testimony was necessary but rubbed people the wrong way due to presentation.

 

[iluvmua]

Q: has anyone heard the unredacted 911 call?

Because the prosecution just said that Amber told the 911 operator that she intended to kill him.

 

[wary]

I hope you're right. It was a very dangerous move.

How common is it for the DA to not want ‘lesser includeds?’ I can remember another case where the defense didn’t want them—obviously rolling the dice and hoping for an acquittal.

 

[Mormon Attorney]

Prosecution focusing on what she should have/could have done. Self defense is a last resort and "rightly so." It is not for people like her. Decided to shoot before she entered. She had options. Therefore self defense not "necessary" and does not apply. Typing fast....

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Hermus is good. I think prosecution is going with good cop/bad cop approach - closing was all about emotion, rebuttal is about logically laying it out and summing up.

 

[Mormon Attorney]

Pros - Had a belt full of tools and chose the most deadly.