GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #8

[Lillymac]

Am I the only one here that doesn't think that this is a racially motivated murder?

I actually think that she was tired, distracted and mad because her married lover/partner wouldn't come up to her apartment to satisfy her "needs."

She entered the wrong apartment (through a defective door), saw a man sitting on a couch, eating ice cream. She shouted at him and immediately drew her weapon and aimed to kill, without really looking around to see if it was her apartment or thinking of alternatives (like exiting).

I think that she would have done this to any target. This target just happened to be black.

I also think that this apartment complex needs to be held liable. Didn't they say that it was found that the electronic plates in floor were put in wrong causing the door to latch sometimes and sometimes not latch? That along with those apartments looking so much alike are an accident waiting to happen.

I understand the politics behind wanting to make this strictly a racially motivated crime, but I just don't believe this to be the case. That's just my opinion.

I don't think that AG will be a danger to our society once she serves her prison sentence, especially, if she is never allowed to own a weapon or be in a position of authority again.

It's just sad that this young man had to lose his life. I personally hold AG AND the apartment complex responsible.

JMO.

I agree, and I wonder why some posters are still trying to stir the hate up. It's over...finished. move on to a case that deserves all this vitriol.

 

[turaj]

Am I the only one here that doesn't think that this is a racially motivated murder?

I actually think that she was tired, distracted and mad because her married lover/partner wouldn't come up to her apartment to satisfy her "needs."

She entered the wrong apartment (through a defective door), saw a man sitting on a couch, eating ice cream. She shouted at him and immediately drew her weapon and aimed to kill, without really looking around to see if it was her apartment or thinking of alternatives (like exiting).

I think that she would have done this to any target. This target just happened to be black.

I also think that this apartment complex needs to be held liable. Didn't they say that it was found that the electronic plates in floor were put in wrong causing the door to latch sometimes and sometimes not latch? That along with those apartments looking so much alike are an accident waiting to happen.

I understand the politics behind wanting to make this strictly a racially motivated crime, but I just don't believe this to be the case. That's just my opinion.

I don't think that AG will be a danger to our society once she serves her prison sentence, especially, if she is never allowed to own a weapon or be in a position of authority again.

It's just sad that this young man had to lose his life. I personally hold AG AND the apartment complex responsible.

JMO.

I don't think that it was racially motivated at all..ie went in looking for black person to kill. I think she made a very bad mistake ...it was what then happened in the aftermath including her preferential treatment that night and after....only thru community protest did this come to the conclusion that we watched. It became about race AFTER the murder. I will say her texts did not help things...sometimes I wonder...as she opened that door and saw him...how much did she see? Was it so dark you would not know what he looked like...??? Her aim was good enough to get him right where she wanted. When she saw he was black and maybe heard his accent did that mean MORE threat to her based on that? We will never know. I am not buying her description of what happened as the door went open...she could tell us anything...no one was there except the two of them. As for liability on the part of the complex because they are using the same floor patterns and every floor looks the same...and some locks malfunctioning...well up to the residents to make sure they are secure and if that is not possible call maintenance. I don't think blaming the apartment complex will go too far.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“That 10 years in prison is for her to reflect and to change her life. But there is much more to be done by the city of Dallas.The corruption we saw during this trial must stop. The city of Dallas needs to clean up inside.The Dallas Police Department has a lot of laundry to do. The Texas Rangers need to get on board.

His privacy was violated. She intruded on him and that was not enough. She killed him. If Amber Guyger was trained not to shoot in the heart, my son would be standing here today.”

Amber Guyger Sentenced to 10 Years for Botham Jean Murder

 

[sloane7777]

I agree, and I wonder why some posters are still trying to stir the hate up. It's over...finished. move on to a case that deserves all this vitriol.

If she had killed a white woman or a child do you think she would have gotten the same sentence???

 

[imstilla.grandma]

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[Hraefn]

BBM this judge is a TOTAL IDIOT THEN!!!!WTF! I cant believe I just read that!!!

The article is a little misleading. When the body cam footage was first presented the Judge warned the courtroom and let those who wanted to exit to do so. Judge Kemp the following day asked to watch the footage again, and forgot to provide the same warning. She apologized to the family immediately. It was definitely awful to witness.

 

[Lillymac]

If she had killed a white woman or a child do you think she would have gotten the same sentence???

What I think doesn't really matter now. It's done. This trial is Over!!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"Dallas today is different than it was yesterday and definitely different than it was a year ago," DPD Chief U. Renee Hall said Wednesday night.

During the trial, DPD Sgt. Breanna Valentine said that DPD Sgt. Mike Mata, the president of the Dallas Police Association and Valentine's superior officer by virtue of service time, told her to turn off the in-car camera system that was filming Guyger as she sat in a police vehicle after shooting and killing Botham Jean.

"What you saw and heard was disheartening, and I can only imagine the public's perception of who we are as a police department," the chief said.

“I welcome it and want a thorough investigation of all parties who were at the scene that night,” Mata told The Dallas Morning News. "And when this investigation is done, it will show that I violated no policy and I did the standard practice that has been in place for several years.”

The testimony that came out in this trial is not reflective of the men and women in the Dallas Police Department," Hall said.

Internal affairs will also investigate Rivera, who remains employed by the department, Hall said.

"We're not backing away from those things," Hall said. "As a department, we're always assessing ourselves."

"The Dallas Police Department is not what you've heard over the last week and a half," Hall said.
DPD Launches Investigation After Guyger Trial Revelations

 

[AllyBeeUK]

I don't think that it was racially motivated at all..ie went in looking for black person to kill. I think she made a very bad mistake ...it was what then happened in the aftermath including her preferential treatment that night and after....only thru community protest did this come to the conclusion that we watched. It became about race AFTER the murder. I will say her texts did not help things...sometimes I wonder...as she opened that door and saw him...how much did she see? Was it so dark you would not know what he looked like...??? Her aim was good enough to get him right where she wanted. When she saw he was black and maybe heard his accent did that mean MORE threat to her based on that? We will never know. I am not buying her description of what happened as the door went open...she could tell us anything...no one was there except the two of them. As for liability on the part of the complex because they are using the same floor patterns and every floor looks the same...and some locks malfunctioning...well up to the residents to make sure they are secure and if that is not possible call maintenance. I don't think blaming the apartment complex will go too far.

I don't think it was racially motivated either, I don't think there has ever been any suggestion that it was from anyone actually involved.

I also don't that DPD treated her differently because he was black. I think they treated her differently because she is one of them. IMO.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

If she had killed a white woman or a child do you think she would have gotten the same sentence???

I wonder, if Botham had been anything other than a black man, if she would have rendered aid instead of ignoring him while he bled to death.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

...As for liability on the part of the complex because they are using the same floor patterns and every floor looks the same...and some locks malfunctioning...well up to the residents to make sure they are secure and if that is not possible call maintenance. I don't think blaming the apartment complex will go too far.

If I were the parents, I would have experts check out the door latching on Jean's door. If it is defective, I would definitely try to hold the complex responsible. He may not have even known that he was in danger. I myself would think that the complex itself would assume the responsibility of making sure each apartment was safe and that each apartment locked properly before renting it to an occupant.

 

[sloane7777]

The article is a little misleading. When the body cam footage was first presented the Judge warned the courtroom and let those who wanted to exit to do so. Judge Kemp the following day asked to watch the footage again, and forgot to provide the same warning. She apologized to the family immediately. It was definitely awful to witness.

OH OK because if you didn't consider that ....Whew glad to hear that!

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I wonder, if Botham had been anything other than a black man, if she would have rendered aid instead of ignoring him while he bled to death.

Not in my opinion. She is a very immature, self-focused young lady, worried about herself. She should never have been on the police force.

She was in a panic, worried about what she did in the spur of the moment, without thinking, worried about her job, worried about her life, worried about me, me, me...It's sad, but that is what I think. Nothing about race.

Oh, and about her texts. Not meant to be racist. More immaturity.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

If she had killed a white woman or a child do you think she would have gotten the same sentence???

She may not even have been charged. I don't think that it would have garnered the kind of attention that it did.

 

[sloane7777]

I wonder, if Botham had been anything other than a black man, if she would have rendered aid instead of ignoring him while he bled to death.

You know on this normally I would say yes , but I honestly think she was more concerned for herself and flipping out a bit ....and still wouldn't have helped ANYONE that's another reason she should have gotten more time. But if it was someone else she would have gotten more time .

 

[imstilla.grandma]

https://omny.fm/shows/the-chris-sal...edo-show-your-calls-brandt-jeans-moving/embed
Chris Salcedo Show: Your Calls-Brandt Jean's Moving Moment with Amber Guyger

 

[sloane7777]

I agree, and I wonder why some posters are still trying to stir the hate up. It's over...finished. move on to a case that deserves all this vitriol.

We are discussing , dissecting the events not stirring up hate, Amber stirred all the hate!

 

[CrimeDawg123]

It was a beautiful gesture we saw yesterday from Botham's young brother. It might be easy to think all is well, he's forgiven her, and he can move on with his life. I hope so, but I would suspect this young man will go through many years of emotional ups and downs trying to deal with this. He's 18, and those of us older than 18 (most of us can remember what life is like in your 20's and 30's. I wish him and his family well.

 

[lonetraveler]

The sentencing of any one individual for any crime isn't intended to be, and can't be, the "solution" for any problem, legal or social.

Amber's sentence is only about how much punishment one jury, this jury, believed Amber deserved.

That unjust and disproportionate penalties/sentences are meted out to pot-smoking grandmas and petty thieves doesn't justify or make right a disproportionate sentence being handed down for a violent crime, including murder.

I find it baffling that this jury believed both things: that Amber committed first degree murder of a completely innocent, wonderful man, and, that her punishment for such a murder is just 10 years.

BBM: It is totally baffling as well. Such a contrast between the two. Harshest verdict, lightest sentence. IMO

 

[magnolia]

I agree, and I wonder why some posters are still trying to stir the hate up. It's over...finished. move on to a case that deserves all this vitriol.

Thank-you @Lillymac