GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #8

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link to jurors, open to european audiences
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In a March 9, 2018, exchange of text messages with a married officer and her former police partner, Martin Rivera, with whom Guyger was having a sexual relationship, she mocked black officers.
"Damn I was at this area with 5 different black officers !!! Not racists but damn," Rivera wrote.
"Not racist but just have a different way of working and it shows," Guyger replied.

“You’re having people of color that have the opportunity to make judges now,” Watkins said. “Their life experience and their religious points of view are different than what we’ve seen in the past. That’s just the evolution of our judicial system.”
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Dallas judge’s hug prompts debate: admirable compassion or ‘abuse of power?’

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I was struck by the similarities in these two statements.

 

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full interview with Botham's brother, open to Europeans
Botham Jean's brother on courtroom hug with Amber Guyger: 'She still deserves love'

 

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In an interview airing Friday on "Good Morning America," Juror 21 and 34, as identified by the court, revealed how they came to decide Guyger's fate.

"There was a few of us crying, and I really started crying, and I was listening to some people say they agreed with 28," Juror 21 said. "I asked for a lighter sentence."

"I'm a be honest and true," Juror 34 said, "I was like, 'I can't give her 28 years.'"

I think that was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do," Juror 34 told ABC News.

They were asking us to take an eye for an eye for Botham, and I feel like he isn't someone who would take an eye for an eye. He would turn the other cheek.

The jurors said that Jean was at the heart of their decision, but they also had to consider Guyger's show of remorse and the fact that the shooting was a mistake.

"I don't think Botham would want to take harsh vengeance," Juror 21 said. "I didn't feel like I had any right to speak for him, and he isn't there to talk for himself, but listening to how people talked about him, I felt like he would forgive her."

"They were asking us to take an eye for an eye for Botham," Juror 21 added, "and I feel like he isn't someone who would take an eye for an eye. He would turn the other cheek."

No matter how many years we would have gave Amber Guyger, it's not bringing Botham back," Juror 34 told ABC News. "It was a mistake, and the 10 years will be enough time for her to get back out there and try to do something better with her life."
Jurors in former Dallas cop Amber Guyger case speak out

 

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Jurors describe 'a lot of crying' in Amber Guyger conviction

 

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Mistaken apartment shooting

 

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[Amber29]

I’m so glad some of them have spoken. Already in the comments on FB under the article they are getting hate. I agree with them though and I’m glad they listened to who Botham was. Now that his brother and father have both talked about forgiveness and how they feel about AG, the jury did the right thing by Botham and his family, no matter how the general public feels.

 

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“I think were were all on the same page, as far as us thinking, yes she’s guilty, said one juror; the other said, “We walked through what murder was and it was the intent to kill somebody, and that was the first thing they gave us and we all said she was guilty probably within five minutes of being in there.”

To his critics the 18-year old told the network:

“I waited a year to hear I’m sorry and I’m grateful for that and that’s why I forgive her.”

He also said, “This is what you have to do to set yourself free. I didn’t plan on going through my life hating this woman.”

"I know that there's something called peace of mind and that's the type of stuff you need to do to have peace of mind," he said. "That is why I wake up happy in the morning. That is why I want to live happy later on in my life."

That was just my gesture, my decision of letting her know that I truly forgive her:

"I love you just like anyone else and I'm not going to hope you rot and die," Brandt Jean told Guyger. "I personally want the best for you. I wasn't going to say this in front of my family, I don't even want you to go to jail. I want the best for you because I know that's exactly what Botham would want for you. Give your life to Christ. I think giving your life to Christ is the best thing Botham would want for you."

"I knew that I just told her that I forgave her and with usual instances the words only, they mean something, but I felt like that wasn't enough," Brandt Jean said on "GMA" of his request to hug Guyger. "That was just my gesture, my decision of letting her know that I truly forgive her."

"We don't know what's going to happen [in the future]," he said. "I just felt like I had to get that point across to her."
"Each and every one has steps to get towards actually forgiving. I probably went through those faster than other people. Some people went through it faster than me," he said. "If you are trying to forgive [Guyger], understand that she is a human being. She still deserves love."

"She made a mistake that she probably truly regrets so if you want to forgive her, just understand that God forgave you," Brandt Jean added. "I know that every time I ask God for forgiveness, he forgives me, so who am I to not forgive someone who asks?"

"That was not saying there are no consequences for someone's actions, for her actions," said Bertrum Jean, a minister in St. Lucia. "But he forgave her and it is all right to forgive. Jesus said we need to forgive. So we can forgive people, right?

"I think what we saw was a jury that came back with a verdict of guilty of murder. That is significant to me," Allison Jean told ABC News. "No matter how long she serves that sentence, she has a record that she is a murderer."
Two Jurors & Brandt Jean Talk About the Trial of Amber Guyger

 

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ABC News Video

 

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I would never comment on the 2nd amendment, not being an American citizen I really don't think it is my place. I wouldn't like to insult US culture any more than I would any other culture I have not experienced. It's a difficult thing; I think because we are so different as a society, British techniques would most likely not be effective for US policing. However, most other police forces across Europe, Australia and NZ are routinely armed but they don't have the same 'shoot first, ask questions later' problem.

I'm not sure what the answer is. I might be naive but I see some hope that this might be a bit of a turning point, if not for US society as a whole at least for Dallas PD to build better relationships with the communities they serve, at least that is what I'm hoping for. It's heartbreaking to hear of such senseless loss of life. We have our own problems here with terrorism and knife crime but I do believe that by working together, over time these issues can go some way towards being resolved.

ETA: where I come from we do actually have a big problem with gun crime. It rubs me up the wrong way when people try and pretend that we don't. Criminals still carry weapons despite our very stringent gun control.

Nice thought that this "this might be a bit of a turning point" ...i think the same each time we have an officer involved shooting or mass murder...but it never changes...all is forgotten quickly....but we can hope.

 

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Juror has a great point that if Bo had been shot and lived he probably would of forgiven AG.

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"It felt like they were asking for an eye for an eye for Botham. And I felt like he was somebody who wouldn't take an eye for an eye," said Juror 21.

"We understand that it was a mistake. And 10 years would be enough time for [Guyger] to get back out there and try to do something better with her life," said Juror 34.

The jurors were not in court to hear the victim impact statement from Jean's younger brother, Brandt Jean, when he expressed forgiveness for Guyger and embraced her. They said seeing the video later made them even more confident in their decisions.



Jurors in Amber Guyger trial describe how they made their decision

They are talking

thanks so much for that...hum eye for eye ...some really did not like that 28 year idea for the birthday...also texts did not impact them. interesting...they sure seem like reasonable people and good for them for doing an interview to help us understand.

 

[Amber29]

full interview with Botham's brother, open to Europeans
Botham Jean's brother on courtroom hug with Amber Guyger: 'She still deserves love'

He is an extraordinary person. What he said about needing peace of mind and waking up happy, he is so right.

 

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In an interview airing Friday on "Good Morning America," Juror 21 and 34, as identified by the court, revealed how they came to decide Guyger's fate.

"There was a few of us crying, and I really started crying, and I was listening to some people say they agreed with 28," Juror 21 said. "I asked for a lighter sentence."

"I'm a be honest and true," Juror 34 said, "I was like, 'I can't give her 28 years.'"

I think that was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do," Juror 34 told ABC News.

They were asking us to take an eye for an eye for Botham, and I feel like he isn't someone who would take an eye for an eye. He would turn the other cheek.

The jurors said that Jean was at the heart of their decision, but they also had to consider Guyger's show of remorse and the fact that the shooting was a mistake.

"I don't think Botham would want to take harsh vengeance," Juror 21 said. "I didn't feel like I had any right to speak for him, and he isn't there to talk for himself, but listening to how people talked about him, I felt like he would forgive her."

"They were asking us to take an eye for an eye for Botham," Juror 21 added, "and I feel like he isn't someone who would take an eye for an eye. He would turn the other cheek."

No matter how many years we would have gave Amber Guyger, it's not bringing Botham back," Juror 34 told ABC News. "It was a mistake, and the 10 years will be enough time for her to get back out there and try to do something better with her life."
Jurors in former Dallas cop Amber Guyger case speak out

IMO I now understand where the jury was coming from when they decided to sentence her to 10 years



It was a mistake

the fact that the shooting was a mistake

I don't think

I didn't feel

I don't think Botham would want to take harsh vengeance," Juror 21 said. I didn't feel like I had any right to speak for him, and he isn't there to talk for himself, but listening to how people talked about him, I felt like he would forgive her

"They were asking us to take an eye for an eye for Botham," Juror 21 added, "and I feel like he isn't someone who would take an eye for an eye. He would turn the other cheek."

 

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"Each and every one has steps to get towards actually forgiving. I probably went through those faster than other people. Some people went through it faster than me," he said. "If you are trying to forgive [Guyger], understand that she is a human being. She still deserves love."

"She made a mistake that she probably truly regrets so if you want to forgive her, just understand that God forgave you," Brandt Jean added. "I know that every time I ask God for forgiveness, he forgives me, so who am I to not forgive someone who asks?"

”I know that every time I ask God for forgiveness, he forgives me, so who am I to not forgive someone who asks.

"That was not saying there are no consequences for someone's actions, for her actions," said Bertrum Jean, a minister in St. Lucia. "But he forgave her and it is all right to forgive. Jesus said we need to forgive. So we can forgive people, right?

"I think what we saw was a jury that came back with a verdict of guilty of murder. That is significant to me," Allison Jean told ABC News. "No matter how long she serves that sentence, she has a record that she is a murderer."

"What Brandt did, I truly admire," she wrote. "I pray everyday to get to the point of forgiveness and he is already there. That's a weight lifted from him. He hugged our brothers killer to free himself and I stand behind him 100%."

"Everyone in that family is hurting desperately because they loved Botham Jean and they won't be able to get past that hurt if they can't forgive his killer," he said on "GMA." "They believe that, I believe that and so it was an important first step."

"That will be closer to justice, but that is a whole separate conversation from the spiritual release of forgiveness," he said.
Botham Jean's brother on courtroom hug with Amber Guyger: 'She still deserves love'

 

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S. Lee Merritt, Esquire on Instagram: “Message from #BothamJean’s big sister. #listentoblackwomen”

 

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I value him more the The Freedom of Religion People.

Do they Drink and hit their wives too if so I agree with you ?

 

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In an interview airing Friday on "Good Morning America," Juror 21 and 34, as identified by the court, revealed how they came to decide Guyger's fate.

"There was a few of us crying, and I really started crying, and I was listening to some people say they agreed with 28," Juror 21 said. "I asked for a lighter sentence."

"I'm a be honest and true," Juror 34 said, "I was like, 'I can't give her 28 years.'"

I think that was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do," Juror 34 told ABC News.

They were asking us to take an eye for an eye for Botham, and I feel like he isn't someone who would take an eye for an eye. He would turn the other cheek.

The jurors said that Jean was at the heart of their decision, but they also had to consider Guyger's show of remorse and the fact that the shooting was a mistake.

"I don't think Botham would want to take harsh vengeance," Juror 21 said. "I didn't feel like I had any right to speak for him, and he isn't there to talk for himself, but listening to how people talked about him, I felt like he would forgive her."

"They were asking us to take an eye for an eye for Botham," Juror 21 added, "and I feel like he isn't someone who would take an eye for an eye. He would turn the other cheek."

No matter how many years we would have gave Amber Guyger, it's not bringing Botham back," Juror 34 told ABC News. "It was a mistake, and the 10 years will be enough time for her to get back out there and try to do something better with her life."
Jurors in former Dallas cop Amber Guyger case speak out

So basically her narcissistic tail had to put on her sad crying face and they bought it , if she had one bit of compassion she would have at least tried to stop the bleeding . IMO she deserves just the same as any other murderer .