GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #8

[sloane7777]

All of this....is why I hope she does not appeal. Ag has been given a second chance from so many people.

Ive seen that the appeal has already been filed on fox 4 this morning

 

[Hope4More]

Interesting...for me the fact she was a trained officer meant that she of all people had a pretty big "tool box" to choose from....lots of options....as a person no stranger to dangerous situations. Had this been just a gun toting woman (with permits etc) frankly still murder but I might have gone a bit lighter on sentence than the 28.

But.....even sympathetic LE witnesses conceded in the situation Amber faced, it was COUNTER to LE training to have entered the apartment.

In other words, Amber entered the apartment in spite of what she was trained to do. She was off-duty. By her own account, she didn't announce herself as a police officer, but (supposedly) instructed Jean twice to show his hands.

So, in more other words and IMO, Amber the person, not Amber the cop chose to shoot to kill.

I wouldn't hold a civilian who made the same choices any less accountable because she wasn't LE, nor do I hold Amber more accountable because she was a cop.

Bottom line, I object (vigorously) to the use of deadly force when force of any kind is unnecessary. And think that those who make an unjustifiable decision to use deadly force should be held as fully accountable as the law & jury allow.

 

[sloane7777]

An appeal is for the accused. How was this detrimental to Amber in any way? I understand many people don't think the sentence was long enough but the Judge did not impose it. I don't need to be educated on appeals. How would the actions of the Judge negatively affect Amber?

it would help Amber she could say the judge tried to coheres her into being a christian and Guyger herself can sue for separation of church and state . It was a stupid move legally . She is an Official she cant give her a Bible any more than she can give her the Torah or Quran.

 

[Hope4More]

*****The trial was over. Done. *****

Is going to say she was denied a fair trial and sentence because the Judge expressed Grace and Mercy towards her?

An appeal is for the accused. How was this detrimental to Amber in any way? I understand many people don't think the sentence was long enough but the Judge did not impose it. I don't need to be educated on appeals. How would the actions of the Judge negatively affect Amber?

The subject of the conversation was whether or not Kemp acted appropriately. It was pointed out to you by another poster that the trial wasn't in fact over until after appeals (add PCR).

The issue isn't whether or not Kemp's actions prejudiced AMBER's due process rights. What was being discussed, and what I also commented about, was that Kemp's actions crossed the line.

Defending her actions as harmless because the "trial was over" is factually incorrect (trial isn't over), but misses the point in any case, imo. Getting caught up in the moment is human and understandable, as is making mistakes. That she was still wearing her robes, in a courtroom, in public is what made her actions a mistake.

 

[Seattle1]

Anybody --

Has the gag order officially been lifted on the case players?

If not, I'm wondering if it still in affect with filing of appeal.... TIA

 

[BellaVita]

it would help Amber she could say the judge tried to coheres her into being a christian and Guyger herself can sue for separation of church and state . It was a stupid move legally . She is an Official she cant give her a Bible any more than she can give her the Torah or Quran.

I think that is very far-fetched but proves my point: I said it would not harm Amber in any way.

 

[Seattle1]

The Jury sent a note to the Judge with questions regarding manslaughter and castle doctrine. This tells me they did not immediately focus in on the murder charge. I would love to know what questions they asked.

That question by the jury is probably public record. Questions by jury typically are.

 

[BellaVita]

The subject of the conversation was whether or not Kemp acted appropriately. It was pointed out to you by another poster that the trial wasn't in fact over until after appeals (add PCR).

The issue isn't whether or not Kemp's actions prejudiced AMBER's due process rights. What was being discussed, and what I also commented about was that Kemp's actions crossed the line. Defending her actions as harmless because the "trial was over" is factually incorrect.

Again, appeals are for the convicted. How would Amber be harmed? Everybody here is saying it showed the Judge had sympathy for Amber. How is Amber harmed on appeal? If she really takes issue with the actions of the Judge, Judge will be recused.

 

[turaj]

Again, appeals are for the convicted. How would Amber be harmed? Everybody here is saying it showed the Judge had sympathy for Amber. How is Amber harmed on appeal? If she really takes issue with the actions of the Judge, Judge will be recused.

i think you are missing the point...apparently the appeal has already been filed....it is possible that if appeal is granted and she gets another trial that Judge Kemp gets it back...now talk about not having an impartial judge..can't even go there but the point is it has happened. A judge should never have done this.....none of her superiors are going to say anything in public but I am certain they have spoken with her in private.

 

[BellaVita]

You know this is the first I heard about that potential appeal coming back and Judge Kemp getting the case back again. That could happen and another major reason why judges don't run down and comfort sentenced defendants. Excellent point. Actually I am sure there are many reasons and my guess is Judge Kemp will not be doing that again.

Perhaps she will find a true calling now. A place where common sense and compassion are appreciated.

 

[sloane7777]

The trial isn't considered over and done, actually, until all appeals are exhausted and her PCR proceedings (if she files) have concluded.

And, what Amber thinks about Kemp's actions is irrelevant, unless she felt coerced, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Here's the thing though if her Attorneys think it would help her appeal they can say she WAS coerced into going along with it and didn't know what else to do in the moment!!!

 

[BellaVita]

The sky is not falling because the Judge hugged Amber and gave her a Bible.

 

[BellaVita]

Here's the thing though if her Attorneys think it would help her appeal they can say she WAS coerced into going along with it and didn't know what else to do in the moment!!!

The judge did not pronounce the sentence. So....????

 

[Hope4More]

Again, appeals are for the convicted. How would Amber be harmed? Everybody here is saying it showed the Judge had sympathy for Amber. How is Amber harmed on appeal? If she really takes issue with the actions of the Judge, Judge will be recused.

Last try. I don't know how to explain it any differently. We don't seem to be talking about the same thing. I am talking about the general harm of Kemp's actions, not how those actions (theoretically) might or might not affect Amber's appeal.

(Whether or not Kemp feels personal sympathy for Amber is also irrelevant, imo. Speaking for myself, the problem was Kemp offering up hugs, the Bible in robes and court. And, more egregiously, in public and with a camera rolling, telling Amber that what she had done was forgivable, etc.))

 

[sloane7777]

The judge did not pronounce the sentence. So....????

it wont matter who sentenced her if she files a complaint!

 

[BellaVita]

The subject of the conversation was whether or not Kemp acted appropriately. It was pointed out to you by another poster that the trial wasn't in fact over until after appeals (add PCR).

The issue isn't whether or not Kemp's actions prejudiced AMBER's due process rights. What was being discussed, and what I also commented about, was that Kemp's actions crossed the line.

Defending her actions as harmless because the "trial was over" is factually incorrect (trial isn't over), but misses the point in any case, imo. Getting caught up in the moment is human and understandable, as is making mistakes. That she was still wearing her robes, in a courtroom, in public is what made her actions a mistake.

Responding to BBM:
Following Natural Law is never a mistake. There is a higher power than laws/mandates made by flawed human beings. It is laughable that the same people denigrating the Judge because what she did is "a mistake" are the same folks tearing down man-made laws with long sentences for so-called minor offenses.

 

[BellaVita]

it wont matter who sentenced her if she files a complaint!

Complaint about what? Is she going to say the Judge caused her to get a worse sentence?

 

[sloane7777]

Responding to BBM:
Following Natural Law is never a mistake. There is a higher power than laws/mandates made by flawed human beings. It is laughable that the same people denigrating the Judge because what she did is "a mistake" are the same folks tearing down man-made laws with long sentences for so-called minor offenses.

IT is a legal issue and legal US law trumps natural law , so yes it was a huge mistake on a judge that should know that !!!

 

[BellaVita]

Last try. I don't know how to explain it any differently. We don't seem to be talking about the same thing. I am talking about the general harm of Kemp's actions, not how those actions (theoretically) might or might not affect Amber's appeal.

(Whether or not Kemp feels personal sympathy for Amber is also irrelevant, imo. Speaking for myself, the problem was Kemp offering up hugs, the Bible in robes and court. And, more egregiously, in public and with a camera rolling, telling Amber that what she had done was forgivable, etc.))

What was the general harm? I have occasionally seen similar. I don't get the Chicken Little outlook.

 

[sloane7777]

Complaint about what? Is she going to say the Judge caused her to get a worse sentence?

She can sue Dallas county .