Identified! Tx - Galveston, Hispmale 'little Jacob' Up17178, 3-5, Jayden Alexander Lopez, Oct'17 *arrest*

[Bohemian]

Quoted from article :

"Heading Southwest from Galveston to Surfside Beach, you will find some waves near Pirate’s Beach, Bermuda Beach, and Jamaica Beach.
After that there are miles of beach break towards the San Louis Pass, where the currents are extremely dangerous, and there are also sharks.
So it is advised to stay clear."

Strange link?
chrome-distiller://29b6bce0-a521-4651-bd99-0a7bf3b78395/?time=137667767&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsurfingintexas.com%2Ftexas-surf%2Fsurf-in-texas-north-texas-gulf-coast%2Fgalveston-surf%2F

https://www.swellinfo.com/surf-forecast/galveston-texas

Our young lad was found 4 miles east or north east of the 61st Street Fishing Pier:

https://goo.gl/maps/p7tf7pjqZ3w

I think this is the link you’re looking for metic:

http://surfingintexas.com/texas-surf/surf-in-texas-north-texas-gulf-coast/galveston-surf/

 

[meticulously]

Here it is Bo , found the ocean currents for the dates.
20 October 2017 ,

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/bin/p...&pSWidth=360&pSHeight=640&pTitle=Oct 20, 2017

And 19th .
Current flows westward near galveston btl . That means from east to west.

And 18th oct "17

 

[meticulously]

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/bin/p...php&pSWidth=360&pSHeight=640&pTitle=Oct. 2017

This is an animation of the October month .
Gulf currents

 

[Lyssav]

Note:

Dependent on the above information, the volume and speed of water exiting the bays through the channel,, tides and the direction of the current in the Gulf during the preceding 24-48 hours before his discovery, my best guess at the moment is that our little guy may have gone into the water anywhere between RA Apffel East Beach Park and 700 Seawall Blvd:

Source:

https://www.google.com.au/maps/dir/...m1!1s0x863f9ffc6929b683:0xd70484e69005388!3e0

(btw At the end of the channel there is a long rock breakwater. Do people fish from here?)

I have only ever fished the South Jetty from a boat, but people will walk the jetty and fish. However this is incredibly risky even for an adult as a change in tide can take the rocks under and then you're just kind of guessing where rocks are when walking. This is not a shallow area, this is where ships are able to travel in and out of galveston bay - so this makes for very deep waters that large vessels pass through also creating wake.

 

[Lyssav]

Yes they do. Is this in the same area that Robert Durst victim and Riley Ann Sawyers was found?

Both Morris Black and Riley Ann Sawyers remains were found in Galveston Bay, Riley was discovered in a plastic box that had beached itself on a small island in Galveston Bay - it's thought that the box was tossed from the causeway over Galveston Bay (bridge that connects the island to the mainland)

 

[carbuff]

That article's mention of sharks makes me think it's unlikely he came from very far away.

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[meticulously]

I have only ever fished the South Jetty from a boat, but people will walk the jetty and fish. However this is incredibly risky even for an adult as a change in tide can take the rocks under and then you're just kind of guessing where rocks are when walking. This is not a shallow area, this is where ships are able to travel in and out of galveston bay - so this makes for very deep waters that large vessels pass through also creating wake.

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Is this the boat channel pictured ?
apologies , looks so small .

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Not sure if an aerial map has been posted yet of the area where he was found, but here is a map showing the beach near the intersection of Seawall and 7th (red balloon) where the article upthread (p.1) said he was found. You can google "694 Seawall Blvd, Galveston, TX" to see it on the map for yourself. There are off-road tracks leading to what used to be a home on the beach but which is now just a foundation alongside a neighbor's foundation. (This is a 2017 Google map, and Bing maps shows a home formerly there alongside a neighbor's foundation). The closest business is just a minute's walk up the road at 619 Seawall (a beachwear store).

Given the relatively good condition of his body, and that LE said he'd only been dead 1-2 hours (upthread article), I wonder if he was somehow just deposited on the beach or in shallow waters there. Even though it'd be late afternoon, the beach is in a relatively unpopulated area looking at the map and appears to be obscured from the road by the elevation that used to have homes on it. There is also a sandy breach in the fence line there that people can be seen walking over on these maps (and it's in line with the intersection of Seawall and 7th street).

It sounds like a stretch, but for him to have gone overboard (dying before or after) from a ship and then be washed up on that beach in less than 2 hours seems like a stretch as well. Surely authorities would know if a passenger ship had lost a passenger by now, especially ones traveling by during that tight timeframe. Also, the article upthread about strong currents and riptides at either end of Galveston Island seems to imply that these are currents that would sweep swimmers (or bodies) *away* from the beach, not onto it. (I was once caught in a riptide; despite my attempts to swim to shore it carried me away from it.)

So if he went overboard at all, I'm thinking it was more likely from a private craft and fairly close in. (While these are apparently rough waters, it might still be less risky for a killer than simply walking onto the beach with a body to deposit).

It's a puzzle, can't be sure, yet...just musing.

 

[Jax49]

Not sure if an aerial map has been posted yet of the area where he was found, but here is a map showing the beach near the intersection of Seawall and 7th (red balloon) where the article upthread (p.1) said he was found. You can google "694 Seawall Blvd, Galveston, TX" to see it on the map for yourself. There are off-road tracks leading to what used to be a home on the beach but which is now just a foundation alongside a neighbor's foundation. (This is a 2017 Google map, and Bing maps shows a home formerly there alongside a neighbor's foundation). The closest business is just a minute's walk up the road at 619 Seawall (a beachwear store).

Given the relatively good condition of his body, and that LE said he'd only been dead 1-2 hours (upthread article), I wonder if he was somehow just deposited on the beach or in shallow waters there. Even though it'd be late afternoon, the beach is in a relatively unpopulated area looking at the map and appears to be obscured from the road by the elevation that used to have homes on it. There is also a sandy breach in the fence line there that people can be seen walking over on these maps (and it's in line with the intersection of Seawall and 7th street).

It sounds like a stretch, but for him to have gone overboard (dying before or after) from a ship and then be washed up on that beach in less than 2 hours seems like a stretch as well. Surely authorities would know if a passenger ship had lost a passenger by now, especially ones traveling by during that tight timeframe. Also, the article upthread about strong currents and riptides at either end of Galveston Island seems to imply that these are currents that would sweep swimmers (or bodies) *away* from the beach, not onto it. (I was once caught in a riptide; despite my attempts to swim to shore it carried me away from it.)

So if he went overboard at all, I'm thinking it was more likely from a private craft and fairly close in. (While these are apparently rough waters, it might still be less risky for a killer than simply walking onto the beach with a body to deposit).

It's a puzzle, can't be sure, yet...just musing.

RBBM

I believe it was 1-2 days, not hours.

On October 20, 2017 an unidentified boy was found deceased along the beach in Galveston, Texas. The child’s body was found washed up on the beach near the 700 block of Seawall Blvd in Galveston. The child had been deceased 1-2 days before being found. He is estimated to be 3-5 years old and believed to be Hispanic or Caucasian. He had black hair, brown eyes and stood approximately 3 feet tall weighing around 28 pounds. The image above is a hand sketch composite provided by Texas authorities showing what the child may have looked like in life.

http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMU/1311490

 

[Lyssav]

Is this the boat channel pictured ?
apologies , looks so small .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FOKlGeqXoi0

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

RBBM

I believe it was 1-2 days, not hours.

On October 20, 2017 an unidentified boy was found deceased along the beach in Galveston, Texas. The child’s body was found washed up on the beach near the 700 block of Seawall Blvd in Galveston. The child had been deceased 1-2 days before being found. He is estimated to be 3-5 years old and believed to be Hispanic or Caucasian. He had black hair, brown eyes and stood approximately 3 feet tall weighing around 28 pounds. The image above is a hand sketch composite provided by Texas authorities showing what the child may have looked like in life.

http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMU/1311490

thank you for the correction - that changes things!

 

[Bohemian]

Here it is Bo , found the ocean currents for the dates.
20 October 2017 ,

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/bin/p...&pSWidth=360&pSHeight=640&pTitle=Oct 20, 2017

And 19th .
Current flows westward near galveston btl . That means from east to west.

And 18th oct "17

Thank you metic (I think I love you )

 

[carbuff]

I couldn't find the Weather Channel video I wanted, but Meticulously's current chart covers the same information much better.

 

[Bohemian]

I couldn't find the Weather Channel video I wanted, but Meticulously's current chart covers the same information much better.

Thanks for searching cb x

I’ll see if I can post the animation to the thread as a .gif.

 

[Bohemian]

I have only ever fished the South Jetty from a boat, but people will walk the jetty and fish. However this is incredibly risky even for an adult as a change in tide can take the rocks under and then you're just kind of guessing where rocks are when walking. This is not a shallow area, this is where ships are able to travel in and out of galveston bay - so this makes for very deep waters that large vessels pass through also creating wake.

Yes, the breakwater looks extremely treacherous. Despite the dangers, we’ve had many ‘rock fishermen’ (as we call them here) come to grief by way of a freak wave, be dashed against the rocks and/or be swept out to sea and drown. Unless they’re familiar with the area and have the right safety equipment, rock fishing is a dangerous pursuit.

This underwater map shows just how deep parts of Galveston Bay and the channel are:

Source:

https://web.stanford.edu/~fringer/galveston.html (Courtesy of WSer ‘meticulously’. Thanks metic x)

It seems like a very busy channel by all accounts, servicing both Galveston and Houston ports.

 

[Bohemian]

I’m starting to become more and more confident that our little guy went into the water further up towards RA Apffel East Beach Park. Just how far up will depend on the strength of the current, water temperature, etc, and whether he entered the water alive or deceased and the estimated time his little body spent on the sea floor (which, at the moment, by the investigator’s accounts wasn’t long due to the lack of injuries other than abrasions and that his remains were in the early stage of decomposition).

 

[Bohemian]

I’m starting to become more and more confident that our little guy went into the water further up towards RA Apffel East Beach Park. Just how far up will depend on the strength of the current, water temperature, etc, and whether he entered the water alive or deceased and the estimated time his little body spent on the sea floor (which, at the moment, by the investigator’s accounts wasn’t long due to the lack of injuries other than abrasions and that his remains were in the early stage of decomposition).

There is always the possibility our little ‘drowning’ death was staged and his remains were left on the beach — possibly in the hope it would carried away by the tide? The ME’s report will be very informative if released. I hope Capt. Schirard will hold a presser this week once results become available.

 

[Gardener1850]

[h=1]Galveston PD needs leads after boy's body found on beach[/h]

GALVESTON, Texas- Police continue to search for answers, more than a week after the body of a young boy washed up on Stewart Beach.

Near the site, a memorial made of stuffed animal and flowers is growing, along with the community’s questions about what happened.

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local/galveston-pd-needs-leads-after-boys-body-found-on-beach/487064583

 

[meticulously]

[h=1]Galveston PD needs leads after boy's body found on beach[/h]

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local/galveston-pd-needs-leads-after-boys-body-found-on-beach/487064583

Thanks gardner1850 .

"More than a week after the body of a young boy washed up on Stewart Beach."

Author:Brett Buffington


So they are saying "washed up" ?

Currents were going westward in the days before the find .
The boy didn't come from the west, if you use that to narrow down the parameters.
More chance from east side ,
lets find out what the wind direction was on the 18, 19 & 20th oct17 .
Lets find the boys name .

 

[Bohemian]

Here it is Bo , found the ocean currents for the dates.

20th Oct 17

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/bin/p...&pSWidth=360&pSHeight=640&pTitle=Oct 20, 2017

And 19th Oct 17

Current flows westward near galveston btl . That means from east to west.

And 18th Oct 17

Thanks gardner1850 .

"More than a week after the body of a young boy washed up on Stewart Beach."

Author:Brett Buffington


So they are saying "washed up" ?

Currents were going westward in the days before the find .
The boy didn't come from the west, if you use that to narrow down the parameters.
More chance from east side ,
lets find out what the wind direction was on the 18, 19 & 20th oct17 .
Lets find the boys name .

Yes, here’s a lead. Galveston’s little guy did come from the east and here’s the animation:

Oceanic currents for this time travel along the beach in a south-west direction (from the north east) along the shoreline from RA Apffel East Beach Park.

With gratitude to WSers meticulously and richieswan. Thank you!