TX - Gilbert Flores, 41, killed by LE on video, San Antonio, 28 Aug 2015

[scmom]

IMO Flores was regarded as an immediate threat to the officers. He had already attacked his wife and it's been reported he had a knife. But I'm willing to let a jury decide if it should come to that.

 

[al66pine]

What statement from Henry so far would support he is trying to garner public opinion for his client? ....

That atty Thomas Henry made any public statements - whether thru MSM, presser, interview, or SM - says, imo, he is trying to garner public opinion for his client. Otherwise, why not remain silent?


http://www.everythinglubbock.com/new...t-end-of-knife Sept 3

 

[bluesneakers]

That atty Thomas Henry made any public statements - whether thru MSM, presser, interview, or SM - says, imo, he is trying to garner public opinion for his client. Otherwise, why not remain silent?


http://www.everythinglubbock.com/new...t-end-of-knife Sept 3

If you were an attorney wouldn't you want to do the same for your client? If you were the client wouldn't you expect your attorney to do the same? I don't understand why it would be a bad or wrong thing for him to do. They hired him to do a job and this is part of it.

 

[Woodland]

That atty Thomas Henry made any public statements - whether thru MSM, presser, interview, or SM - says, imo, he is trying to garner public opinion for his client. Otherwise, why not remain silent?


http://www.everythinglubbock.com/new...t-end-of-knife Sept 3

Not an answer to the question - but don't you just love that this forum doesn't require you to do so? I sure do.

Btw, all opinions are telling and tell a great story regarding the vast population of the US imo.

 

[lawstudent]

Attorneys often end up becoming someone's PR person in a controversial incident. Some may want to play to the media; others may have no interest. But the client and those around him are no doubt getting a barrage of media inquiries. If they do not want to respond, the easiest thing to do is say "I can't talk, please call my attorney." An attorney will probably feel obligated to offer some sort of defense of the client to the media, although it isn't required and can be a bad idea sometimes. But if the defendant is being questioned by police or anyone else, the "call my attorney" is pretty much the only thing that might bring a reprieve. Generally I think it is best for the attorney to say little, but even more so for the police. One thing I keep noticing is that after an incident, the police say there was a weapon or something and then hours later retract that, and then people accuse them of covering up or lying or whatever. In confusing, recent, scary situations, the police should ignore all media contacts until they have a good idea as to the underlying facts and can write up a clear, simple statement that they continue to investigate. They work for everyone and need to preserve public confidence - instead of responding, as a defense attorney would, they need to set the agenda and sound credible. The Millis, MA police incident this week shows a good example of police media handling (and is an absolutely insane story that is not helping the issues LE is having with PR, but that department did the best it could with the ridiculous situation - thank god no one was actually hurt).

 

[al66pine]

If you were an attorney wouldn't you want to do the same for your client? If you were the client wouldn't you expect your attorney to do the same? I don't understand why it would be a bad or wrong thing for him to do. They hired him to do a job and this is part of it.

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bbm Sheriff P in Bexar County TX was also hired/elected to do a job. Is that a bad or wrong thing for her to do?

 

[bluesneakers]

Attorneys often end up becoming someone's PR person in a controversial incident. Some may want to play to the media; others may have no interest. But the client and those around him are no doubt getting a barrage of media inquiries. If they do not want to respond, the easiest thing to do is say "I can't talk, please call my attorney." An attorney will probably feel obligated to offer some sort of defense of the client to the media, although it isn't required and can be a bad idea sometimes. But if the defendant is being questioned by police or anyone else, the "call my attorney" is pretty much the only thing that might bring a reprieve. Generally I think it is best for the attorney to say little, but even more so for the police. One thing I keep noticing is that after an incident, the police say there was a weapon or something and then hours later retract that, and then people accuse them of covering up or lying or whatever. In confusing, recent, scary situations, the police should ignore all media contacts until they have a good idea as to the underlying facts and can write up a clear, simple statement that they continue to investigate. They work for everyone and need to preserve public confidence - instead of responding, as a defense attorney would, they need to set the agenda and sound credible. The Millis, MA police incident this week shows a good example of police media handling (and is an absolutely insane story that is not helping the issues LE is having with PR, but that department did the best it could with the ridiculous situation - thank god no one was actually hurt).

Exactly! Thank you. I get they're under pressure to say something to the public, and I'm sure they want to look as good as possible, but they need to be honest first. Don't lie to your public to protect yourself.

 

[bluesneakers]

October 25th:

Reports of Bexar County police shootings are late, missing details

The Bexar County Sheriff’s Office failed to file at least five state-mandated reports about people who died in police shootings since 2005, was late in filing a dozen more fatality reports and left out key details about two deadly shootings involving deputies.

The missing details include how one suspect had his hands raised above his head when two deputies opened fire.

In Bexar County, problems with custodial death reports came to light after the Aug. 28 shooting of Gilbert Flores, a combative suspect in a domestic violence case. The county’s report didn’t mention that Flores had his hands raised in apparent surrender when two deputies opened fire and killed him.

After the Express-News learned of the missing information in the Flores case, the newspaper began examining other shootings involving the sheriff’s office.

Records show that county authorities completed 74 custodial death reports since 2005. They haven’t filed reports for five fatal shootings from 2008 to 2011, and they exceeded the 30-day deadline in a dozen other cases from 2005 to 2015 — including a report that was filed more than a year late.

 

[al66pine]

October 25th:
Reports of Bexar County police shootings are late, missing details

^ Link requires subscription to read entire story (not signing up).
Can anyone pls share source reporter cited re Bexar County reports wrt "....left out key details about two deadly shootings involving deputies. The missing details include how one suspect had his hands raised above his head when two deputies opened fire."

Is source avail to link? Thx in adv.

Did suspect w 'hands raised" stmt come from vid showing that or from suspect or eyewitness, etc.


{eta: County's failure to file rpts, filing late rpts, and inaccuracies-by-omission in rpts (if true) are concerning & deserve attn & consequences.}

 

[bluesneakers]

^ Link requires subscription to read entire story (not signing up).
Can anyone pls share source reporter cited re Bexar County reports wrt "....left out key details about two deadly shootings involving deputies. The missing details include how one suspect had his hands raised above his head when two deputies opened fire."

Is source avail to link? Thx in adv.

Did suspect w 'hands raised" stmt come from vid showing that or from suspect or eyewitness, etc.


{eta: County's failure to file rpts, filing late rpts, and inaccuracies-by-omission in rpts (if true) are concerning & deserve attn & consequences.}

Link works for me and I don't have a subscription.

Try getting to it via Facebook. That usually works for news sites.
https://www.facebook.com/SanAntonioExpressNews/posts/10153660893810762

The Bexar County Sheriff’s Office has filed a state-mandated report about the Aug. 28 death of Gilbert Flores that says he tried to stab two deputies with a knife — but fails to mention that Flores had raised his hands in apparent surrender before the deputies shot him

http://www.expressnews.com/news/loc...mits-key-detail-in-Gilbert-Flores-6562360.php

There's also this:
Interactive Table: Custodial death police reports in Texas
http://www.expressnews.com/interact...able-Custodial-death-police-reports-47000.php

 

[al66pine]

bluesneakers
Thx for all the info & links.

Found this at link dated Oct. 9.
http://www.expressnews.com/news/loc...mits-key-detail-in-Gilbert-Flores-6562360.php
"This undated handout photo provided by the Bexar County (Texas) Sheriff's Office, shows Gilbert Flores. Bexar County Sheriff Susan Pamerleau says Flores, who had his hands raised as if to surrender when deputies gunned him down was armed with a knife. She says the deputies believed Flores was holding the knife when they shot him and that investigators are reviewing video of the confrontation." bbm

Who holds a knife in hand (if true) w hands raised(if true) purportedly surrendering to LE (if true)?
Is that behavior (if true) a mixed message or ambiguous?

But still thinking sheriff's reports may be a jumble.

_______________________________________________
O/T but while in San Antonio, Winner of I-am-not-a-Brain-Surgeon-or-Rocket-Scientist Award, Bexar Co, TX Division:
see new thread in Current Events, Bizarre & Off-Beat News. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Bexar-Co-TX-Division&p=12232411#post12232411

 

[i.b.nora]

The San Antonio Express link says:

“The Bexar County Sheriff’s Office has filed a state-mandated report about the Aug. 28 death of Gilbert Flores that says he tried to stab two deputies with a knife — but fails to mention that Flores had raised his hands in apparent surrender before the deputies shot him.

 

[bluesneakers]

bluesneakers
Thx for all the info & links.

Found this at link dated Oct. 9.
http://www.expressnews.com/news/loc...mits-key-detail-in-Gilbert-Flores-6562360.php
"This undated handout photo provided by the Bexar County (Texas) Sheriff's Office, shows Gilbert Flores. Bexar County Sheriff Susan Pamerleau says Flores, who had his hands raised as if to surrender when deputies gunned him down was armed with a knife. She says the deputies believed Flores was holding the knife when they shot him and that investigators are reviewing video of the confrontation." bbm

Who holds a knife in hand (if true) w hands raised(if true) purportedly surrendering to LE (if true)?
Is that behavior (if true) a mixed message or ambiguous?

But still thinking sheriff's reports may be a jumble.

_______________________________________________
O/T but while in San Antonio, Winner of I-am-not-a-Brain-Surgeon-or-Rocket-Scientist Award, Bexar Co, TX Division:
see new thread in Current Events, Bizarre & Off-Beat News. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Bexar-Co-TX-Division&p=12232411#post12232411

Did you watch the video? His hands were raised when they shot him.

 

[al66pine]

Did you watch the video? His hands were raised when they shot him.

Yes.
Is knife in his hand?

 

[i.b.nora]

Yes.
Is knife in his hand?

Did you see him try to stab two deputies?

 

[bluesneakers]

Video released by DA shows new angle of Gilbert Flores shooting

The District Attorney's office released more footage Friday of a fatal deputy-involved shooting that took place in late August on the city's far northwest side.

The release comes two days after a Bexar County Grand Jury voted not to indict deputies Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez, who shot and killed Gilbert Flores outside of his parent's home in the 24000 block of Walnut Pass.

This is weird because the video seems to stop as soon as the shots are fired.

Pamerleau said that video led the Sheriff's Office to believe that Flores had a knife in his hand just before he was shot. She also said at the time that Flores had both arms in the air, which caused them great concern.

"We saw Mr. Flores' hands up and then he was shot. The important thing is being able to know what happened in that sequence," Pamerleau said in the news conference.

I don't get how having his hands in the air caused them concern. Isn't that exactly what you're supposed to do when cops are pointing their guns at you?

 

[bluesneakers]

No indictment for 2 Bexar deputies in fatal shooting

Deputies Greg Vasquez, Robert Sanchez fatally shot Gilbert Flores is August

A Bexar County grand jury voted Wednesday not to indict the two Bexar County sheriff's deputies who fatally shot Gilbert Flores on Aug. 28.

The deputies, Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez, shot Flores in the 24400 block of Walnut Pass while responding to a domestic disturbance report.

...
"Sometimes if you see only a video, but you don't have sound, you don't have the context of what had gone before or after it, it can often lead to a different conclusion," [Bexar County Sheriff Susan] Pamerleau said.

Thomas J. Henry, the attorney for the Flores family, said Wednesday's decision is "just one legal step" and that the family is still planning on pursuing its civil lawsuit against the Sheriff's Office and Bexar County.

 

[Woodland]

"Sometimes if you see only a video, but you don't have sound, you don't have the context of what had gone before or after it, it can often lead to a different conclusion," Pamerleau said.

http://www.ksat.com/news/no-indictment-for-2-bexar-deputies-in-fatal-shooting

Not a fan of SP - unsure how she can 'direct' people on what they see in a video and what they don't see if no audio is present.

I see a guy with his hands raised and is shot by LE. Audio not required.

 

[i.b.nora]

FBI enhanced video of shooting:

EXCLUSIVE: Police who 'executed' unarmed father with his hands up 'lied under oath' that he was just six feet from them - and FBI footage proves it, claims lawyer

“Gilbert Flores, 41, was shot dead in the front yard of his parents' home by two Bexar County deputies who claimed he was lunging at them with a knife.

A grand jury decided not to indict officers Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez after hearing statements in which the pair claimed Flores advanced towards them and was about 6ft away when they opened fire.

However newly released materials from a civil lawsuit suggest the married father-of-one was at least 20 feet away from the two lawmen and was stood still with his hands in the air.”​

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...otage-proves-claims-lawyer.html#ixzz4Dakl3HLf

 

[bluesneakers]

Attorneys clash in lawsuit over deadly BCSO shooting

Attorneys for two Bexar County deputies who shot and killed a knife-wielding man have filed a motion for summary judgment in the case, claiming there "is no genuine issue as to any material fact."

Deputies Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez have been sued by the family of Gilbert Flores, who they shot and killed following a recorded 12-minute confrontation outside Flores' Northwest side home in August 2015.

evidence shows that Flores was standing more than 20 feet away from the deputies, Gilbert Flores had walked away from Deputy Vasquez's Tahoe, raised his hands in apparent surrender, stood still, his hands were not moving, his feet were not moving, he was not moving or advancing toward the deputies and no family members or neighbors were in the vicinity