TX - Gunman in Hijacked Mail Truck, multiple victims, Midland/Odessa, 31 August 2019

[human]

Imo, If we really want to begin to solve this problem we must do a deep dive into the ROOT CAUSES of why anyone becomes or plans to murder in mass in the first place.

The deep research must be specific to these individuals' mindsets, and the root causes because that is where it all starts whether they use firearms, machetes, knives, bombs or fly airplanes into buildings murdering 3000 with many more still dying from those horrific most violent mass murders our nation has ever suffered.

Without that they simply are among all of the other innocent multi millions of men who never harm a soul even when they legally own firearms.

When cancer is suspected there is a valid reason why a biopsy is done on each indivudual because they must determine if it is cancer, what type, and where it started hoping by removing where it started they can successfully cure it. The root cause is also vitally important research..

Punishing over 150 million law abiding gunowners is not the root cause of why a few commit mass murder.

Just like it's not the root cause why more are murdered in our country on a daily basis in so many large inner cities by those who obtain their firearms illegally.

I imagine when LE said he bought his weapon from a private sell meant he bought it on the streets from someone who didnt care if he was mentally ill or not as long as he had the cash.

No one likes gun bans, or restrictive gun laws any more than criminals.

It allows them more easy sitting targets, more gun free zones, filled with more defenseless people to be able to murder in mass... just like they target 99.9 percent of the time for a reason.

Comparing any much smaller country to a nation of 330M is misleading, imo.

Jmhoo

One can use math to see the comparison.

Why are Americans so sick compared to others? Genetics? Parenting? Because everything else is the same, Everyone else has the same access to music, video games, divorce, social problems.

So why are Americans exceptional?

 

[MsBetsy]

As an AmeriCAN, I see the AmeriCANT attitude.

When the Las Vegas massacre happened, my daughter was supposed to go to celebrate her friend’s 40th birthday. She did not go. I forget why. My best friend’s daughter who I have known before she was born and three other young women that I know did go and ran for their lives.

My friend’s daughter worked in a hospital in MN and they gave her free counseling.

Last spring, my grandchildren attend the middle to upper class high school that I and my children attended. My grandson was a senior and my granddaughter was not there that day. My niece was there as well as all of the friends that I know of their’s.

There was a man who was going to go on a mass killing spree. He was in the school. My grandson talked about how they were stacking furniture and thought they were going to die.

He was caught hiding in the building with a nice store of weapons in his trunk.

Since no one died, I doubt if it hardly made the news out of our area.

I looked at a document which I cannot find anymore about the hundreds of thwarted school shooters.

All one has to do is look at what has worked in other countries. I hardly know of a more macho country than Australia. And New Zealand. Wow. All Blacks. Rugby.

Australia is immense. It is filled with social problems.

So starting with what works is always a good idea

Australia may be immense, but the total population is less than that of the state of Texas.

They have never had a significant problem with mass murders in the first place, so it's impossible to know what effects their laws have had on these kinds of crimes. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

One can use math to see the comparison.

Why are Americans so sick compared to others? Genetics? Parenting? Because everything else is the same, Everyone else has the same access to music, video games, divorce, social problems.

So why are Americans exceptional?

Wasn't the woman who killed her boyfriend, skinned him and hung the skin on meat hooks, from Australia?
Then she boiled his head and served him in a stew to his children?

There are sick people all over the world. Imo

 

[Backstroke10]

One can use math to see the comparison.

Why are Americans so sick compared to others? Genetics? Parenting? Because everything else is the same, Everyone else has the same access to music, video games, divorce, social problems.

So why are Americans exceptional?

I’m wondering if it has something to do with not living near extended family members or having much of an extended family. I know this may sound a bit odd or simplistic. I’ve traveled a lot overseas and have many friends that were born/raised and live in other countries. They all have large extended families that live nearby. I’m in a large Texas city (fairly close to the Mexico border) with a large population of Hispanics (my ex husband as well) and many seem to have large families and/or extended family living with them. I’m one of four siblings and we live in Texas, California, Montana and North Carolina. You can’t get more spread out than that. I’m not saying mass shooters or serial killers are created due to not living near family members but I think some of them have a deep feeling of loneliness. Maybe having extended family around could help with some people’s loneliness, health problems, identifying mental health issues, etc.... just a thought. MOO

 

[BlackCloud]

One can use math to see the comparison.

Why are Americans so sick compared to others? Genetics? Parenting? Because everything else is the same, Everyone else has the same access to music, video games, divorce, social problems.

So why are Americans exceptional?

Americans are not exceptional at all.
You can find mass murderers everywhere in the world.
But America is always on the news because it's one of the only 3 superpowers left in the world.
I'm pretty sure there are more mass murders in Africa than in the States....but nobody cares about what Africans do (except when it comes to pity them for "nobody knows the reason why they always pity them")

 

[Backstroke10]

Wasn't the woman who killed her boyfriend, skinned him and hung the skin on meat hooks, from Australia?
Then she boiled his head and served him in a stew to his children?

There are sick people all over the world. Imo

Yes this was Australia. I’ve started listening to a lot of crimes on Casefiles and there sure seems to be a lot of horrific crimes there. Actually, many had large extended families. I guess my theory goes out the window.

 

[human]

Yes this was Australia. I’ve started listening to a lot of crimes on Casefiles and there sure seems to be a lot of horrific crimes there. Actually, many had large extended families. I guess my theory goes out the window.

Do they have a lot of mass murders? Are the crimes random or more towards interpersonal?

 

[human]

Australia may be immense, but the total population is less than that of the state of Texas.

They have never had a significant problem with mass murders in the first place, so it's impossible to know what effects their laws have had on these kinds of crimes. Imo

I wonder what their murder rate is compared to Texas. I wonder why they do not have as high of a rate as compares with Texas?

 

[BlackCloud]

I wonder what their murder rate is compared to Texas. I wonder why they do not have as high of a rate as compares with Texas?

Texas is not a good example because cities' murder rates are getting down (but Dallas is an exception)

Dallas' sudden spike in homicides has officials perplexed. And not everyone agrees that state troopers are helping.

 

[Backstroke10]

Do they have a lot of mass murders? Are the crimes random or more towards interpersonal?

Good questions. I haven’t heard any mass murder cases. Some random serial killers and interpersonal ones.

 

[MsBetsy]

I wonder what their murder rate is compared to Texas. I wonder why they do not have as high of a rate as compares with Texas?

I would say it's impossible to know if you don't know what their murder rate is to begin with.

It depends on whether you are looking at the last ten years, the last year, or throughout history.

We already know the US has a higher murder rate than other countries.
The question is not how America compares with other countries, but whether are traditional ways of handling violence has broken down, and what we can do to fix the problem.

Continuously making comparisons to other countries, (especially those that don't have the same problem) is not going to be much help.

It's taking action that is important. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

Do they have a lot of mass murders? Are the crimes random or more towards interpersonal?

Just this June there were 4 people killed in the Darwin Massacre.
You can find the whole list of Mass killings in Australia on line.
The Melbourne car attack in 2017 killed 6 people and injured 27.
One of the deadliest was the Port Arthur Massacre in 1996, killing 35 people and injuring 24.
There seem to have been many people killed in arson attacks, too, including children. Imo

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“I wrote my favorite bible verse is Philippians 4:13, because, I find my strength in Christ, for all things are possible. During my time here in West Texas there has been so has been so much love in the community and I just know that there are people to help and give love everywhere,” Chloe Patton said.

“God helps those who help themselves, so fight through the tough times,” Damon Hewing said.
Sending messages of hope to our Midland-Odessa neighbors

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Del

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Australia may be immense, but the total population is less than that of the state of Texas.

They have never had a significant problem with mass murders in the first place, so it's impossible to know what effects their laws have had on these kinds of crimes. Imo

Do you ever notice in Israel they dont have mass shootings by lone shooters? Of course tragically they have to deal with Hamas terrorists consantly.

But they don't have to contend with those with firearms that almost always target gun free zones like they do here in America. No mass shooters enter their schools or airports, etc.

Imo, the reason is there are no gun free zones there,and everyone knows it. All teachers/staff carry firearms, and are very proficient marksmen, both males, and females.

Everyone there knows there are no such thing as gun free zones where the shooters knows they will be the only ones with weapons where they can kill victims in mass like sitting ducks unable to defend themselves. The very reason why mass shooters prefer to specifically hit gun free zones here because they are the easiest targets.

This is the very reason I do not go to stores that advertise they are gun free zones. Imo, they may as well put out a welcome mat for criminals to target them, and their customers.

I just read this week a man came into an elementary school in China or Japan and murdered 7 children injuring 8 more. In the article it said just this past January another mass murderer entered a school killing 20. I will try to find the article when I get home this evening. It was heartbreaking, but it never received any national media attention here that I saw.

Jmho

 

[Elley Mae]

Do you ever notice in Israel they dont have mass shootings by lone shooters? Of course tragically they have to deal with Hamas terrorists consantly.

But they don't have to contend with those with firearms that almost always target gun free zones like they do here in America. No mass shooters enter their schools or airports, etc.

Imo, the reason is there are no gun free zones there,and everyone knows it. All teachers/staff carry firearms, and are very proficient marksmen, both males, and females.

Everyone there knows there are no such thing as gun free zones where the shooters knows they will be the only ones with weapons where they can kill victims in mass like sitting ducks unable to defend themselves. The very reason why mass shooters prefer to specifically hit gun free zones here because they are the easiest targets.

This is the very reason I do not go to stores that advertise they are gun free zones. Imo, they may as well put out a welcome mat for criminals to target them, and their customers.

I just read this week a man came into an elementary school in China or Japan and murdered 7 children injuring 8 more. In the article it said just this past January another mass murderer entered a school killing 20. I will try to find the article when I get home this evening. It was heartbreaking, but it never received any national media attention here that I saw.

Jmho

MAY 28, 2019 11:12

Schoolgirl killed and 15 children injured in stabbing near Tokyo

Schoolgirl killed and 15 children injured in stabbing near Tokyo

.....

Reality Check: How safe is it to live in China?

Gun crime: How safe is China?

.....

^^^
I do not trust or believe any stats from a communist country, but that’s just me.

 

[MsBetsy]

MAY 28, 2019 11:12

Schoolgirl killed and 15 children injured in stabbing near Tokyo

Schoolgirl killed and 15 children injured in stabbing near Tokyo

.....

Reality Check: How safe is it to live in China?

Gun crime: How safe is China?

.....

^^^
I do not trust or believe any stats from a communist country, but that’s just me.

Well, that seems to be what they are saying in the BBC article.
Just because China claims that gun crimes are low, doesn't mean that other crimes are low. Apparently the guy who attacked all those children used a knife. Imo

 

[Kubirai]

Do you ever notice in Israel they dont have mass shootings by lone shooters? Of course tragically they have to deal with Hamas terrorists consantly.

The Goldstein massacre’s shadow on Hebron

Feb 25, 1994 ... Baruch Goldstein murdered 29 Palestinians and injured 70 in Hebron.

Jewish settlers are quite heavily armed, and have killed quite a few Palestinians in lesser incidents. We don't hear about them in MSM, but you can find lists online.

 

[human]

Do you ever notice in Israel they dont have mass shootings by lone shooters? Of course tragically they have to deal with Hamas terrorists consantly.

But they don't have to contend with those with firearms that almost always target gun free zones like they do here in America. No mass shooters enter their schools or airports, etc.

Imo, the reason is there are no gun free zones there,and everyone knows it. All teachers/staff carry firearms, and are very proficient marksmen, both males, and females.

Everyone there knows there are no such thing as gun free zones where the shooters knows they will be the only ones with weapons where they can kill victims in mass like sitting ducks unable to defend themselves. The very reason why mass shooters prefer to specifically hit gun free zones here because they are the easiest targets.

This is the very reason I do not go to stores that advertise they are gun free zones. Imo, they may as well put out a welcome mat for criminals to target them, and their customers.

I just read this week a man came into an elementary school in China or Japan and murdered 7 children injuring 8 more. In the article it said just this past January another mass murderer entered a school killing 20. I will try to find the article when I get home this evening. It was heartbreaking, but it never received any national media attention here that I saw.

Jmho

Comparing America to Israel on gun laws is dishonest – and revealing

 

[Kubirai]

Comparing America to Israel on gun laws is dishonest – and revealing

Very good article. The policies mentioned are relevant to the debate in US.