TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #25

[MCDRAW]

Now, I have heard about LE lying to suspects in interrogations "we have proof you did it" when they really didn't.

But I can't remember a single case where LE told MSM outright lies, and then cleared them up after a suspect was arrested.

I am sure there are stories about LE telling lies to cover up their own "mis-doings" for want of a better word, but during investigations? Just to throw off suspects? In sworn affidavits submitted to Judge's so they can get search warrants? Wouldn't that be perjury???

Please, please, please correct me if I am wrong!!!

I never said that I thought LE lied in the affadavits just that I believe they twist things at times to get what they want

 

[denkster69]

I feel Billie has no idea what has happened to HER DAUGHTER.....I also feel SA & his weird friends are the ones that no everything!

 

[crimejunkie]

Except a sworn affadavit is someone's testimony. Yet everyone believes that there was a NYE's party because SA said there was. Both BD and CD said that there was just family there. It is a sworn affadavit but it doesn't mean everything in it is true. SA said in his affadavit that Hailey was promiscuious. Which I believe to be a lie. Since it was in the sworn affadavit does that make it true?

Lol, I know this wasn't your point, but I didn't know that CD made a statement about the possible NYE party. Was he there? I hadn't heard anything about that. Your post made me curious!

 

[MCDRAW]

I believe the truth of the matter and what was sworn to was Shawn did indeed say it. True or not, he said it.

I think he said it too. I just don't think everything he said was the truth

 

[brownies]

czgtz - I do believe you love BD..
Please do me 1 favor.......prepare yourself...
you may not know the NEW BD..
why I say this, is because I once had a friend
since high school. She was anti drugs, etc.
I heard 'rumors', stuck up for her.........
REFUSED to believe things I heard, UNTIL
LE was at MY DOOR!
asking me things etc.
Turned out her SIL was a huge drug dealer,
she had money and drugs in her home,
son went to rehab and other arrested,
I was in such SHOCK.
She hated liars, yet she was lying to me.
She probably would still be saying everyone was wrong;
but her and the kids if I was to see her again.
The friend I knew for 30 years is not the person I know she is NOW.
Protect your heart, please!

I have a loved one, who innocently enough after an accident, became addicted to narcotic pain meds. He would lie right to your face about it, or about how much he was taking, how much money he spent on it.... He was not the person he had once been. It was hard to tell when he was on them, not so hard when he wasn't due to the irritability, anger, and general withdrawals. There is treatment for this type addiction, and thankfully he got help.
My point: An addict becomes very skilled at lying. They can look you square in the face, not blink an eye, and lie to you. IMHO - I think it is very very possible that both BD and SA are addicted to narcotic pain meds.

 

[Pondering Mind]

and it seems at least as often than not, LE doesn't even name someone a POI or suspect anymore until after someone is arrested. Just sayin..

 

[Soulmagent]

The document says that shawn told them about the death threats, not that the investigators believe it was true.

I dont recall it saying Billy told them that. They are making a point of Shawn being a lair in the document so..

 

[Salem]

Except a sworn affadavit is someone's testimony. Yet everyone believes that there was a NYE's party because SA said there was. Both BD and CD said that there was just family there. It is a sworn affadavit but it doesn't mean everything in it is true. SA said in his affadavit that Hailey was promiscuious. Which I believe to be a lie. Since it was in the sworn affadavit does that make it true?

Is the question - do we believe SA said it? or do we believe that of Hailey?

I don't believe it of Hailey, but I believe SA said it.

LE swears the information in the affidavit is true to the best of their knowledge. The domestic dispute can be verified by the report log, incident report, etc.

Salem

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Except a sworn affadavit is someone's testimony. Yet everyone believes that there was a NYE's party because SA said there was. Both BD and CD said that there was just family there. It is a sworn affadavit but it doesn't mean everything in it is true. SA said in his affadavit that Hailey was promiscuious. Which I believe to be a lie. Since it was in the sworn affadavit does that make it true?

It is JMHO and I won't talk about the NYE party anymore. On NYE day IIRC is when LE took the bloodhounds around. LE was at BD's house. Both BD and SA were being watched (as well as the house). In the affidavit it says that SA "downplayed the party" but it does say he (SA) called it a "party".

LE was watching. If the house was lit up, curtains open, people mingling with cups (or bottles) in their hands. BD admiited on NG that food was put out. BD said they were watching the "news". All the news channels on NYE are covering nothing but NYE!!!

If that is what was going on - the LE officers that were watching probably couldn't believe what they were seeing and you betcha they took pictures.

All the statements by BD, SA and others in those affidavits were recorded for back-up proof. And again, IMHO there are probably pictures of the house on NYE to document whatever was going on there that night.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Lol, I know this wasn't your point, but I didn't know that CD made a statement about the possible NYE party. Was he there? I hadn't heard anything about that. Your post made me curious!

I can buy that there wasn't a "party"

I don't believe Billie didn't know it was NYE yet claims to have had the "news" on

Shawn said it was a party IIRC called it a small party

 

[MCDRAW]

Lol, I know this wasn't your point, but I didn't know that CD made a statement about the possible NYE party. Was he there? I hadn't heard anything about that. Your post made me curious!

Well I read somewhere on one of these threads that he said there was only family there. Now someone will have to find it beecause I don't have a clue how to go back and find such things.

 

[winterrose]

Except a sworn affadavit is someone's testimony. Yet everyone believes that there was a NYE's party because SA said there was. Both BD and CD said that there was just family there. It is a sworn affadavit but it doesn't mean everything in it is true. SA said in his affadavit that Hailey was promiscuious. Which I believe to be a lie. Since it was in the sworn affadavit does that make it true?

I believe CD said he saw cars there and not inside,he could see the house 50 yards away from his back porch.I doubt he sit back there and watched the house. BD told NG only SA had a few drinks,then when asked again she said he had a beer,so who knows.A sworn affidavit in what LE has said,not SA or BD,because LE has said there have been people who lied and changed thier stories.But what LE is saying what has been said by people in a sworn affidavit is what has been said,whether truth or lies by the people questioned.

 

[JenRen]

I don't understand. This witness that saw Hailey - you said was an upstanding member of the community, business owner, etc. So, this person called LE and said "I saw her walking in front of my store". And LE then comes and searches this person's house? More than once? Why? I find that very very very odd.

I don't believe CZ said this witness saw Hailey walking in front of her store, just that this witness seen Hailey walking around during that time period. Please correct me if I'm wrong. MOO

 

[SuziQ]

While I'm not convinced of the sighting...since LE said they couldn't even be sure which day, or when she was last seen a while back, it doesn't really rule SA out, does it? I mean, what if he did see her at 3pm in the house, got into with Hailey, harmed her, stashed her in the shed and then here comes older brother. He had the whole next day to move Hailey, right?

Whether he is guilty or not, clearly LE has suspicions about him, they have no qualms about naming him, and I doubt he is playing along with LE in order for them to catch someone else.

A live sighting or two or three after 6:20am Monday morning conveniently clears Billi of the possibility that she was involved with anything the night before. She was at werk.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Actually, I meant that they had not just now told LE. But you are correct also, they told others as well.

IIRC you said that you, yourself know this person and have spoken with them Did they offer any insight as to why LE searched their house - more than once?

 

[winterrose]

Well I read somewhere on one of these threads that he said there was only family there. Now someone will have to find it beecause I don't have a clue how to go back and find such things.

No CD never said that,only saw cars.He wasn't there.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Except a sworn affadavit is someone's testimony. Yet everyone believes that there was a NYE's party because SA said there was. Both BD and CD said that there was just family there. It is a sworn affadavit but it doesn't mean everything in it is true. SA said in his affadavit that Hailey was promiscuious. Which I believe to be a lie. Since it was in the sworn affadavit does that make it true?

bbm~

well true, but if someone is lying in a sworn affadavit, that's about as big as a red flag can get imo!!! I was under the impression that CD was NOT there..only repeating what he was told..Is that wrong?

 

[MCDRAW]

I can buy that there wasn't a "party"

I don't believe Billie didn't know it was NYE yet claims to have had the "news" on

Shawn said it was a party IIRC called it a small party

I have no idea what she knew and what she didn't.

 

[czgtz]

So even after reading the affidavits and seeing in black and white what is in them, you still believe 100% everything that BD is telling you. Even though it completely contradicts what's in those affidavits.....

OK, I guess throw me the link to them back, because from what I read, she is not completely contradicting them. Let me read them again. Thanks.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Early on didn't LE go door to door and ask to search everyones house?

Why would they search this witnesses house TWICE?