TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #26

[lynnb]

Hailey Dunn's Siblings 1/16/11
http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23381

first interview I've seen with Naomi, Clint's girlfriend.

 

[gngr~snap]

to any nurses that are here....do you have to physically take classes for your CE or can you do it online? and what are the costs?

I can only speak for Georgia. I have been am LPN since 1988. LPNs are not required to do CEUs to keep our license current. RN BSN and MDs are. To my knowledge this is still the same as I have not worked for the last 3 years. My license however is still valid in tje event that I ever return.
*android posted please excuse typos

 

[Pondering Mind]

cgtgz, I'm not Salem obviously, but have to respectfully ask..

Were you at that "New Years Eve" party? Of course you don't have to answer, but unless you were with all due respect you only know what she told you..

In regards to the Feb '10 incident, it was just that..an incident..and there would be an incident report done much more detailed than anything we have seen. You do realize that, right? It has written down what each side says happened I promise you...

 

[lillys]

For whoever asked, the first mention of the shed being searched that I can find is 1/5/11.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/201...end-takes-polygraph-home-reportedly-searched/

There was another article from 12/30/10 that I now can't find. IIRC LE and news reported the shed was searched once and then LE went back and did more thourough search on the second search.

 

[czgtz]

In Texas, you can take CEUs by mail, online, or depending on your employer, through work. The cost varies, but there are tons of legitimate places online where they are free.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I can only speak for Georgia. I have been am LPN since 1988. LPNs are not required to do CEUs to keep our license current. RN BSN and MDs are. To my knowledge this is still the same as I have not worked for the last 3 years. My license however is still valid in tje event that I ever return.
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What do you have to do in order to 'renew' it if you don't mind my asking? Do you have to take classes..or just send in your $?

 

[gngr~snap]

ETA... my renewal fee is less than $60 every other ODD YEAR in March

 

[Pondering Mind]

Hailey Dunn's Siblings 1/16/11
http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23381

first interview I've seen with Naomi, Clint's girlfriend.

If it's the same one I read..it broke my heart when I read that Hailey played with her baby sister everyday and that they looked so much alike Hailey called her mini-me..

 

[Pondering Mind]

ETA... my renewal fee is less than $60 every other ODD YEAR in March

any classes or anything?

 

[lillys]

cgtgz, I'm not Salem obviously, but have to respectfully ask..

Were you at that "New Years Eve" party? Of course you don't have to answer, but unless you were with all due respect you only know what she told you..

In regards to the Feb '10 incident, it was just that..an incident..and there would be an incident report done much more detailed than anything we have seen. You do realize that, right? It has written down what each side says happened I promise you...

Pondering Mind,
I'm glad you said that. I don't want to come off as disrespectful to cgtgz, so I'll post directly off and after your post :crazy:.

Here's my problem, I know cz is a friend of BD's and she's a good friend to come here and defend her and correct things that are misstated. That being said, what I see is cg disagreeing with almost ever statement that LE made in the afidavit. :waitasec: I'm sorry but there IMHO is no way LE is making up all this information about BD and SA.
Sometimes we have to see people and their situations as they really are.
Again I don't mean this as a cut down or disrespect of cg.
MODS is this is inappropriate, please delete.

 

[czgtz]

cgtgz, I'm not Salem obviously, but have to respectfully ask..

Were you at that "New Years Eve" party? Of course you don't have to answer, but unless you were with all due respect you only know what she told you..

In regards to the Feb '10 incident, it was just that..an incident..and there would be an incident report done much more detailed than anything we have seen. You do realize that, right? It has written down what each side says happened I promise you...

No, I was not at Billie's on New Year's Eve. But I was on the phone with her several times that evening and night. She was distraught, and definately not 'partying'.

And I realize that IF there is an incident report, then yes, I realize it would be much more detailed.

 

[Pondering Mind]

No, I was not at Billie's on New Year's Eve. But I was on the phone with her several times that evening and night. She was distraught, and definately not 'partying'.

And I realize that IF there is an incident report, then yes, I realize it would be much more detailed.

and as lillys said czgtz, I don't want to come off as disrespectful either..In my post to you last night I meant what I said. I'll go find it and post it again because I still stand by it, but there is just no way that ANYONE will convince me that LE lied in those search warrants. They know they would NEVER get away with it and everything they have learned goes down the drain. Unless it is the ultimate incompetency of LE in a high profile case then Billie is lying..plain and simple..

my previous post to czgtz..I truly wish you nothing but the best...
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[gngr~snap]

:truce:

What do you have to do in order to 'renew' it if you don't mind my asking? Do you have to take classes..or just send in your $?

I used to get notification by mail. However I renewed online in 2007, and swtbup to be notified ny email. I logon type in my banlcard# get a verification code and the new card in about 5days by mail. It always expires the last day of March
It's pretty straightforward. No drugscreen ny boards,but employers do them yearly amd at ramdom.

 

[Beyond Belief]

czgtz,
Did Hailey have a house key? Is it missing?


Thanks, I hope your doing okay.
BB

 

[crimejunkie]

I really respect CZ and certainly don't want to upset her, so I hope that posting my thoughts about a few things that she wrote is not out of line or taken as anything more than the friendly debate she mentioned, even though it's not Salem responding here.

I cannot bring myself to believe that LE would risk losing their career by lying in a sworn affidavit to a Judge over framing BD or SA. I also believe they would not risk throwing a serious monkey wrench in their case, IF it ever goes to trial by committing perjury in such a document. I do believe they have more evidence than what we have (as most case do) and have only released what they needed to in order to get the search warrants. We've heard this 1,000 times in other cases....releasing the minimum to protect the investigation. Also, the 15 other agencies would all have to keep quiet about this lies in the sworn affidavit. I don't believe for a minute that those interviews weren't recorded and have been viewed by some other the other LE agencies involved to see if anyone catches something that another missed, etc...and to bring them up-to-date on everything and to determine how to better interrogate BD and SA in there next interview, etc...

Secondly, I do believe that if I were in BD's shoes and had been buying illegal drugs on the day my daughter disappeared and LE asked me about it. I would admit it. I know they are not there to arrest me for the drugs, but heck....my thought would be to be completely upfront and honest about EVERYTHING, because who knows what little detail of what I was doing might somehow be related to the disappearance of my child. Would I be scared to tell them, because it may make me look bad? Yes, but I would do it. Who knows...maybe someone had followed me, maybe the drug dealer was after me....I'd just tell them. Also, better to be honest upfront then to lie to them and then have my boyfriend tell them instead or someone else for that matter. Then, I'd really look bad. My point is I guess, that I wouldn't be concerned with hiding things, I would be concerned with telling them whatever they needed to know to help find my daughter, get me cleared so they can go look for the "real" perp and give them any information they may need, even if i didn't think it was relevant or even if it made me look bad.

Lastly, I know I also heard that an LE person said they didn't tell anyone they failed. I guess technically they told her "deception detected," but my question is.....was the LE person that said that in the room? Was it the "spokesperson" who often states he is not up-to-date with the information? Could he have spoken out of turn when he said that, not knowing at the time that she was informed? Or could this have been an LE tactic of some sort to "break" BD or SA? Who knows, but I don't think we assume that it equals that LE is lying.

Again, I do hope CZ that if you read this, you do not feel I am coming down on you. I really appreciate your time here, respect your position and can feel your genuine dedication to finding Hailey.

 

[czgtz]

Pondering Mind,
I'm glad you said that. I don't want to come off as disrespectful to cgtgz, so I'll post directly off and after your post :crazy:.

Here's my problem, I know cz is a friend of BD's and she's a good friend to come here and defend her and correct things that are misstated. That being said, what I see is cg disagreeing with almost ever statement that LE made in the afidavit. :waitasec: I'm sorry but there IMHO is no way LE is making up all this information about BD and SA.
Sometimes we have to see people and their situations as they really are.
Again I don't mean this as a cut down or disrespect of cg.
MODS is this is inappropriate, please delete.

I dont mind your post at all.

I am simply saying that LE called Billie a liar - they said to many media outlets that they absolutely did not tell her she failed her poly.... but here it is in the affidavit that they actually did tell her.

I also wanted to point out, as many other posters have, that while LE is not lying in the affidavits, they might be using someone else's lie - does that make sense? Sorry, it's getting late.

 

[Pondering Mind]

No, I was not at Billie's on New Year's Eve. But I was on the phone with her several times that evening and night. She was distraught, and definately not 'partying'.

And I realize that IF there is an incident report, then yes, I realize it would be much more detailed.

was partying going on around her if you know?..as in Shawn and friends?

What would you think if you saw those incident reports and in Billies own handwriting it said that Shawn had threatened herself and Hailey? She might then say something like she was coerced by LE to say that..would you believe that?

I promise I'm not asking these things to be mean even though is sounds a little harsh and if you don't want to answer I totally understand..

 

[darlin gal]

The Feb. incident report, if one was filed, should be available under open records, much like the affidavits that were released. Perhaps a news reporter working this story can drop down to the records office and pick one up or someone local can stop down and get a copy.

 

[katydid23]

respectfully snipped...
Which brings me back around to the Feb. 2010 incident. I am fully aware that there is a log of all calls coming in, that includes at least the date, time, address, at least one party involved, and type of call. I am also quite sure that LE looked back as far as they were able to ascertain how many times they had been called to Billie's house. If there were no charges or report filed, then LE only has the small bit of info in the call log to go on.
So, it is very possible that all LE saw recently was "2/??/2010, 00:00?m, 1804 Chestnut, B.Dunn, domestic", or something to that effect. And, again, JMO, this is all LE has.

Now, in my mind (and JMO), LE questioned SA about this in their investigation of Hailey's disappearance. And he brought up (or admitted after being questioned more than once about this incident) that he threatened both Billie's and Hailey's lives. I think this for a couple of reasons - one being that this incident is wedged in between LE looking at SA's phone and then SA's defamation of Hailey's character. Also is the wording of this particular paragraph... it just could be interpreted more than one way. Another is because, as many people here have pointed out, he just seems to get a kick out of lying and misleading LE....

T. Thanks.

There would be an incident report filed, even if there were no charges filed. So the police would have more to go on then just the term 'domestic.' There would be a field report written out by the officers on scene which would be easily uploaded.
If BD was angry enough to call LE over this ATM incident then it was probably kind of a big deal. It seems like she gives SA a lot of slack. So she must have been pretty ticked off. He took her card and stole money.
There was quite likely a loud argument going on in which SA could be heard threatening the family and it was written up. OR someone told the police officers about it when they arrived on scene. But they did not just pull it out of their hats.

Even with the example you used of the cops lying about telling her the outcome of the polygraphs. The bottom line is that multiple polygraphs have been failed. Arguing over who told who first is not that productive imo. It seems like a distraction.

I think you have been a great friend to BD. But I have to say that she seems to be smoothing over and glossing over lots of things and making it seem like
everything was just fine. Everything was everyone else's fault, none was hers. But when you put the entire thing together, looking at the big picture then it kind of falls apart. She denies knowing anything. Never knew her license was going to be revoked, didn't know the check bounced, never realized it was New Year's Eve, didn't know HD was afraid of SA, never heard that he threatened their lives. Too much imo.

 

[czgtz]

crimejunkie,

I take no offense to your post. You have very good points, and I respect your opinion.

I did not mean to say that LE lied in their sworn affidavits. I do not think that they did. I did say that called Billie a liar to MSM by saying that they did not tell her that she failed or that deception was indicated. And they very well may be doing what they can to 'break her'.

I also did not mean to imply that LE lied in the affidavits when I said that they took the word of a liar. I only meant that if some of the statements used in the affidavits were given by SA, who very much looks like he is lying about a great deal, then perhaps too much stock is being put into them (not by LE, but by the public). Again, while I realize that the affidavits are sworn testimony of what an officer believes to be true, for what ever reason (interrogations, investigations, etc.) some people take them to be gospel.

My main point was to point out that by LE calling Billie a liar over the whole polygraph issue, and by going by statements given to them by SA, it seems that one of the tactics is to discredit Billie.

I really wish it was earlier, and my brain was working a little better, because for the life of me, I can't seem to put into words the point I am trying to get across. But I do agree with you that I cannot see LE lying in a sworn affidavit...... to the media though, absolutely.

Maybe tomorrow we can continue this discussion.