TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #31

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  • #461
SA admitted to making threats to kill BD & HD (according to the recently released affidavit).

As a former advocate of domestic violence victims, I refuse to accept the idea that the perp's threats were just: "a matter of speaking and never intended as a serious threat".

When a threat of harm or death is made against someone by a domestic partner - I take it 100% seriously, even if the victim doesn't.

"I'm going to kill you" is not something normal people say to one another - even in jest or in anger. I absolutely refuse to accept that. When someone says "I'm going to kill you" - it should be taken seriously & not doubted.

Based on affidavits, based on previous 911 calls, SA presented a deadly threat to BD & to her children as recently as last February 2010. Yet, BD invited SA to move into her home with her & her children.

Based on recent statements made by the paternal grandmother, HD was afraid of SA. According to the paternal grandmother, SA had been stalking HD at night in her own home when she was in her own bedroom.

Unfortunately, it seems that BD has chosen to follow the line of thinking that it was just a "matter of speaking" and "never intended as a serious threat".

IMO, BD's choice to live in denial of reality exposed her daughter to serious risk, and has possibly led to her daughter's demise at the hands of her horror-obsessed lover.

MOO

I admire your stance, but I partially disagree. In this area, even in my own family, I've heard it said many times as just a joke, not intended as a threat at all, and it's always understood that it's a joke. HOWEVER, when it's in a domestic dispute, LE has to take it seriously, and I think that is what you may be talking about. It SHOULD be taken seriously if the other person regards it as a threat. That much I do agree with.
In this case, Shawn tried to pass it off as a joke, but I think he was serious. JMO
 
  • #462
But did he really say that? We only know that Billie claimed he did, and she doesn't seem to be the best at telling the truth. - And I'm not defending SA in any way, shape or form!

BBM:

We really do not know if he did or not. IIRC, he admitted somewhere that he did threaten them. Was it in an affidavit prepared by LE? IDK, but I seem to remember him admitting it.

MOO
 
  • #463
there is a possibility it really is "all a blur" for her in that it was all so upsetting and maybe even alcohol and drug fuelled and so frightenig that some of it was shut out, I can imagine that actually. She might not necessarily mean she doesn't remember but rather the whole thing is blurry. Some of the most traumatic events in my life I could actually say "are all a blur" -just thinking

IDK, she has complete recollection of SA lifting her debit card. jmo

Hope for Hailey and those who love her and prayers for the searchers.
 
  • #464
there is a possibility it really is "all a blur" for her in that it was all so upsetting and maybe even alcohol and drug fuelled and so frightenig that some of it was shut out, I can imagine that actually. She might not necessarily mean she doesn't remember but rather the whole thing is blurry. Some of the most traumatic events in my life I could actually say "are all a blur" -just thinking

Sadly, I hate to say this, but it reminds me of domestic calls where two couples had been drinking or doing drugs.

IMO
 
  • #465
That might be true, but we don't know that. Pretty broad statement to say they 'hardly ever' slept at that house, but IF it's true, then I would have to say it's very disturbing if they preferred to stay with friends all the time. As for covering for Shawn, I don't think it's as much that as it is trying to come to terms with her own indifference, and the fact that she didn't read the warning signs soon enough. Women can be so blind when it comes to the men they love. I could be all wrong, just have a hard time thinking she knows what happened and is covering up.

I can't help but think she was just clueless and never imagined the worst that could have happened. I pray that Hailey IS in hiding somewhere, and maybe if and when she comes home, Billie will do some serious damage control and make some important changes, and rethink allowing men like him into her life. I pray it's not too late for Hailey.

BBM-I don't think BD was Clueless, quite the opposite, she stated on the 911 call that she suspected SA, MHMR. That's some pretty good insight knowing what we know now in hindsight. BD chose to ignore warning signs that she as a former nurse knows all too well. JMO.
 
  • #466
Which is what we saw in the affidavits which I will believe.
I don't understand why SA wasn't charged with threats then. If he were then there would have been a no-contact-communication order in place would there not?
Oh how I would like to see those notes.
I would like to think that LE took her aside that night and told her that she could seek an order of protection (restraining order). They probably gave her a card of the person, office where she could start that process. She didn't do it. LE is not going to do it for her.

It seems everyone in that house (BD, DD and Hailey) were in survival mode. When you live like that - survival trumps everything. You do what you have to do to continue to function. Such a shame for DD and Hailey.
 
  • #467
Just logging on since early last night... what the heck did I miss? I just saw Tricia's post about BD, bumped by Kimster. EXCELLENT post. She said everything I was thinking but couldn't put into words as eloquently as she did.

So were 911 calls released or something? I am trying to catch up but I'm home with a sick daughter so time is limited...
 
  • #468
The only thing the 911 calls convince me of is that BD and SA were/are manipulators. With each other and probably with everyone else. If BD was concerned about SA going into the house to get his shirt, it seems like she would have locked up before leaving for work. For all I know she might have wanted him to get the shirt while she was home so she could convince him not to leave her. All in all I'm still convinced that if one of them did something to Hailey the other was just as involved. IMHO only.

BBM. Could be IMO. That's the oldest trick in the book for these type of bickering back and forth relationships. Look for an excuse to stay in contact with the ex. To get in that last dig or beg for forgiveness. I make it a point to stay away from those couples. I feel for LE that has no choice but to deal with them.
 
  • #469
"sigh", I'm probably going to be pulling away from this case because I have had to question my interest in the parents backgrounds following last nights announcement.

The clues to finding Hailey will lay in the preceding hours or days, or in the timeline of events.

LE is being tight lipped except to say SA is a suspect, followed by there are lots of other suspects too.

BD appears in the media to ask for our help in finding Hailey, but her deceit makes her every statement questionable.
In order to separate the fact from the fiction we must dissect each statement for it's truthfullness, and digging into private life is the only way to ascertain this.

We are faced with 3 options.
Run away --- everyone agrees that this is unlikely, and BD came seeking help to point away from this scenario. (subsequent sleuthing shows that BD lied about home situation, drugs, violence and a questionable boyfriend, so is this possibility still on the table?)

Abducted by someone other than SA--- This is the scenario favored by BD, it doesn't reflect on her parenting, it allows for her boyfriend to be cleared, and it's the rationale behind many of her lies .....look over here ------> points finger away from SA.

Killed --- Apart from being unbearable to imagine for a parent, it is also a scenario that would point towards the last person(s) to see her, which is of course SA. Without sleuthing BD and SA we would have accepted that SA was the distraught, doting step parent, without a speck on his character and a thriving business selling and trading horror masks.


Since the only source of information is BD and BD has shown that she is a liar, then we are faced with no real insight into her last days at home. Mr Klaas has asked us to concentrate on finding Hailey. Admirable if you have reliable 'information' with which to begin this search.

Maybe Mr Klaas could tell us where to begin and how (or IF) we can be of help.

Printing and placing posters is only useful if there is hope that she is still alive, BD's actions/reactions/inactions have led me to believe that Hailey was probably dead before she was reported as missing.

So without being able to question the actions of BD, with the only insiders simply repeating and defending BDs inconsistencies. I feel like I'm being 'directed' as to what I should post/ask/believe.

I'm so sorry Hailey, you deserved so much better. The adults (ALL of them) in your life let you down. If you are alive and well, congrats on escaping the nightmare, if you are not, then snuggle up closely to Jesus and whisper to searchers who are looking to find you.

BRAVO! I completely agree. Her mother is lying, I think insiders/locals are not telling full truths and it's throwing everyone off track since they are allowed to state things, but we aren't allowed to sleuth to refute it.


Be at peace Hailey, whether you're in the clouds of heaven or hold up with a caring person who would protect you with their life form SA AND Your mother.
 
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Why do you believe they did? I doubt there's a lot of extra money floating around that household. Billie isn't working. Is this becasue CZ took her online to try to get information about the cell phone records? My assumption was that this was done on CZs PC.

A straight answer is always better than an assumption. IMO of course.
 
  • #472
Good morning, everyone,, I saw a shooting star last night, I pray we find Hailey today. Can we take a minute to pray for the searchers who are going out right now to God for some insight and direction in finding Hailey, please? Thankyou.
 
  • #473
Did you all know that it is a TOS violation to announce you are leaving a case because you don't like the way things are going?:nono:

Just go to another case without the drama posts please.
 
  • #474
Some thoughts regarding the 911 calls and after taking into account everything that we’ve heard so far from family and friends in the media.

Last January, Clint and his family tried to get custody of Hailey. The grandmother told us about this on NG. The grandmother also knew about HD’s fear and allegations against SA so perhaps this, along with HD’s pleas are the reason why she was with Clint for some time during that month.

BD claimed in the 911 call on Feb 14th that they had broken up. Perhaps this break up was due to the fact that HD wanted so badly to live with her father and BD knew that it was because she didn’t like SA. I can imagine all of the arguments and accusations that were happening on all sides and between all the players at this time.

So BD decides to break it off with SA to appease HD and the family. But he is having none of it. He’s obsessed with her. You don’t dump a sociopath, they don’t take it well. She admitted in an interview before the 911 calls came out that he had sent her texts and she said then that he basically told her in the texts that she couldn’t leave him…(not exact words). Add the threats to her, HD and CD’s life and we can pretty much see what was going on here. He was blaming HD and CD for their break up IMO and he was going to hurt all involved if he didn’t get his way. Which as we know he did. They got back together and he eventually “moved in”….although I think he was pretty much already moved in long before that. And HD continued to try and get away from the house.

Fast forward to December. According to DB, Hailey had been staying with her Dad for most of the month leading up to Christmas. According to her also, there was a blow up just before Christmas and CD posted on FB after HD went missing that she could live wherever she wanted. BD also said in the beginning that if she had run away, they could “fix” it if she would come home. So something was going on again regarding HD not wanting to live at home IMO and that might have been the motivation for SA to decide that she had caused enough trouble for him.

MOO
 
  • #475
May peace be with you.
 
  • #476
11 month ago BD tells LE that SA is mental ..............7 months later she allows him to move in..........4 months later her daughter is missing............... (911 call he was just staying all night)

when did she copy the murder stories for him?
when did Hailey say she was afraid of SA? 2 years ago????
and BD still moved SA in????
How long has this all been going on???

poor Hailey
 
  • #477
"sigh", I'm probably going to be pulling away from this case because I have had to question my interest in the parents backgrounds following last nights announcement.

The clues to finding Hailey will lay in the preceding hours or days, or in the timeline of events.

LE is being tight lipped except to say SA is a suspect, followed by there are lots of other suspects too.

BD appears in the media to ask for our help in finding Hailey, but her deceit makes her every statement questionable.
In order to separate the fact from the fiction we must dissect each statement for it's truthfullness, and digging into private life is the only way to ascertain this.

We are faced with 3 options.
Run away --- everyone agrees that this is unlikely, and BD came seeking help to point away from this scenario. (subsequent sleuthing shows that BD lied about home situation, drugs, violence and a questionable boyfriend, so is this possibility still on the table?)

Abducted by someone other than SA--- This is the scenario favored by BD, it doesn't reflect on her parenting, it allows for her boyfriend to be cleared, and it's the rationale behind many of her lies .....look over here ------> points finger away from SA.

Killed --- Apart from being unbearable to imagine for a parent, it is also a scenario that would point towards the last person(s) to see her, which is of course SA. Without sleuthing BD and SA we would have accepted that SA was the distraught, doting step parent, without a speck on his character and a thriving business selling and trading horror masks.


Since the only source of information is BD and BD has shown that she is a liar, then we are faced with no real insight into her last days at home. Mr Klaas has asked us to concentrate on finding Hailey. Admirable if you have reliable 'information' with which to begin this search.

Maybe Mr Klaas could tell us where to begin and how (or IF) we can be of help.

Printing and placing posters is only useful if there is hope that she is still alive, BD's actions/reactions/inactions have led me to believe that Hailey was probably dead before she was reported as missing.

So without being able to question the actions of BD, with the only insiders simply repeating and defending BDs inconsistencies. I feel like I'm being 'directed' as to what I should post/ask/believe.

I'm so sorry Hailey, you deserved so much better. The adults (ALL of them) in your life let you down. If you are alive and well, congrats on escaping the nightmare, if you are not, then snuggle up closely to Jesus and whisper to searchers who are looking to find you.

Awesome post...wow
 
  • #478
Most times when its a domestic dispute and LE gets there and both parties are equally "at each other" unless there is physical violence (which we didn't have here) there really isn't much LE can do.

Yes, they took SA down to the station, probably for the threats (that were texted by him and proven by reading BD's phone). So, it was established that yes, he made those threats. However, once they removed him from the situation and given him some time to calm down, they talked to him and concluded that he really wasn't MHMR - just an angry, spurned bf on Valentine's Day. So, they (LE) wrote up a statement that did say SA asmitted to making those threats and he signed it. LE did that so that if anything did happened in the coming days, they already had a jump on what his involvement could possibly be.

In a situation like this LE is reactive, not proactive. They can't make anyone do anything - remember we have rights here. All they can do is document, warn and hope the situation is over. KWIM?
 
  • #479
Did you all know that it is a TOS violation to announce you are leaving a case because you don't like the way things are going?:nono:

Just go to another case without the drama posts please.

I fixed my post, sorry.
 
  • #480
Had to grab this:

Originally Posted by winterrose
I saw the tv,my point is if DD figured she had played from 9pm to midnight,three hours and she was in her room at 10 or 11pm,did she go back out into the living room to play? Was SA still up,etc.

In one of the NG interviews with Billie - she clearly stated that xbox was in DD room. I know I know...... it has been said all along that the xbox was in the living room.... but I Heard(!) Billie state in was in is her sons room. So which was it?
 
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