TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #39

[katydid23]

I do not think she was killed in the house, for the reason you stated. She would have been transported in the car and LE would have NEVER given that car back so soon. MOO

I honestly believe she was lured out of the house by SA (or someone), transported somewhere alive, and held for a while, or killed.

I hate thinking this way, but it has been so long, it is hard to hold out hope. I always have a little hope until LE announces the tragic news.

ETA: He could have used any reason to get her out of there. "We are going to meet your mom for something" etc.

i think he had an accomplice which is what LE seems to suggest as well.

I think she was drugged and then handed off somewhere, even using his car.
If she was not hurt in the car then there would be no bad evidence. She always rode in that car so what could they look for besides blood or bodily fluids? And there wouldn't be any if she was taken to the hunting grounds or a trailer or basement.

 

[winterrose]

Ok - next question

(((((((((((((Please don't throw things - I'm just throwing stuff up against the wall here))))))))

What if it was an accident? At the house. She fell hit her head or was hit in the head - but still alive. In a drug-adled panic BD doesn't know what to do and SA (seeing his chance at getting his fantasy) tells BD that he can't feel a pulse and that he'll "take care of it". He takes her with him on Monday morning - now she is in bad shape but still alive barely hanging on - that dogs wouldn't hit on that car. If it was a blunt force with no wound - no blood.

Plan was for both SA and BD to go to work ALL DAY and that he would take care of it after work before he picks up BD. He gets to work and just can't pass up his chance.

Fast forward to SA's phone going back into service later that morning in Big Spring. He knows he screwed up by leaving work (why he doesn't tell her for a few days). He gets to the house and is cleaning up - deer in the headlights.

I'm really wondering if that 2 PM text from BD's phone pinged at Snyder near the hospital and it was BD texting SA?

So, what if it was an accident?

It was said by someone in an article that there had been fighting or arguing around Christmas time.I'm still hanging on to the fact he was possibly angry enough to risk losing his job by leaving.Angry or something else,I don't want to think about.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

that's a very scary scenario considering BD is a nurse (even tho she's not licensed she still has the training) but at this point anything is possible

good point - I missed that. I'm thinking with this that there was a fight. BD, SA and Hailey. Would BD have freaked that bad and not been able to think clear, therefore allowing SA to step in? She (BD) could have really been flying high to the point that she could just barely function? Maybe BD was caring for Hailey - in her bed - therefore the "to ease my mind" look but don't touch in the morning. When actually she woke up and there was a note (hinted by reports today in the landfill) but the note was from SA telling her that Hailey didn't make it and he went to take care of it?

BD would have no knowledge of where Hailey actually is - nor if she is still alive. Thus, the BD we see on camera.

 

[SusanB]

Need to know:
1. Where the Monday 2PM text pinged from
2. What was SA's alibi for all day Tuesday
3. DD's testimony about the entire situation before and after

I personally don't think the supposed NYE party that seems to be a hot topic means anything. For some reason, that keeps coming up.:waitasec:
More info about the folks HD stayed with the past year, why she kept moving from place to place. What was her mind set during this time period? What do her friends say about her? We actually know very little about Hailey herself. Who did she hang out with? What did she like to do besides cheerleading - did she hang out with older kids? Did she sneak out sometimes? Where did she "hang out?" (other than the Dollar Store! Jus' kiddin')

I think SA and BD got the drugs Monday night, went home and got high, then of course it would have been difficult for Billie to speak on the phone fearing it could be noticed she was under the influence, and when high you don't care as much about things that you normally would. Also, by the time they were high, they were probably just glad she wasn't there to see them.
Hopefully, tomorrow something will give. We need to know where she is.

 

[WideOpen]

I think Marc has to follow his instincts in his work. Just as we do in our interpersonal relationships with friends and people we come in contact with each day.

Could he be misguided? Yes and it will break his heart. Could he be right? Yes and he is a voice that can make a difference. In either case his voice is for all of the missing in our Country.

Marc can help organize the effort to find Hailey and that is the most important part of his participation. It is a true Blessing for Hailey.

I don't always agree with Marc on every case about who he thinks is the guilty party.
I do however support his mission to guide the family through this darkness.

If he and others like him did not reach out and trust out of fear they may get burned, missing children and persons would be losing champions to their plight.



"Act as if what you do makes a difference. It does."
~ William James

I thank you for this post. This is a blessing for Hailey!

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I am not sayng he mistrust them. I am saying he is aware mistakes happen and the LE personal are human and he is comparing mistakes to ones in Pollys case.There is no other way to make any sence of the statement because in no other way do these cases seem alike.

I dont think he has evidence to clear SA either but he knows there is another suspect and I think he thinks that deserves a look.

This is all opinion of course but I do believe he does know of a critical clue or tip or something that is making him make the statements he is making.
We should pay close attention to his wording.

BBM - YES! I totally agree - not only his wording but his body language and actions as well.

 

[winterrose]

i think he had an accomplice which is what LE seems to suggest as well.

I think she was drugged and then handed off somewhere, even using his car.
If she was not hurt in the car then there would be no bad evidence. She always rode in that car so what could they look for besides blood or bodily fluids? And there wouldn't be any if she was taken to the hunting grounds or a trailer or basement.

Could be the other persons of interests,along with him.

 

[lynnb]

good point - I missed that. I'm thinking with this that there was a fight. BD, SA and Hailey. Would BD have freaked that bad and not been able to think clear, therefore allowing SA to step in? She (BD) could have really been flying high to the point that she could just barely function? Maybe BD was caring for Hailey - in her bed - therefore the "to ease my mind" look but don't touch in the morning. When actually she woke up and there was a note (hinted by reports today in the landfill) but the note was from SA telling her that Hailey didn't make it and he went to take care of it?

BD would have no knowledge of where Hailey actually is - nor if she is still alive. Thus, the BD we see on camera.

(O/T..wow...I just had a flashback to the Haleigh Cummings case. Replace the BD with Misty and you'll see what I mean)

or would BD cover for SA if there was a fight because SA convinced BD it was an accident?

 

[JenRen]

Could be the other persons of interests,along with him.

I think so, I think there was at least one more. I think she was held somewhere on Monday, and Tuesday is when she was killed. SA wouldn't have wanted to miss that part. :sick:

All MOO, just my theory atm

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Although it was said by NG that LE has said they will not release the forensics on the car until they make an arrest. So, LE does have forensics on that car. But what? And why is it going to take an arrest before they release it?

 

[Zoe Bogart]

In the article cited below, MK is quoted. If the quotes are correct, his judgement MIGHT be affected by transference. (Note that it is MK that believes there are many similarities, not me.) I hope someone who knows him very well will speak to him about this possibility.

"Marc says the similarities on how Hailey Dunn disappeared is what brought his organization based in California to Colorado City."

"(This is) The same case as Polly. The age, a desperate family and a community supporting the family and that is what you'll see." he says, "You don't have any evidence, ransom notes, the perpetrator disappeared. I think those are real commonalities."

http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23461

No, No, No, Mr. Klaas, it's not the same as Polly! Polly had witnesses and she was snatched out of her own home while her mother was there. All witnesses gave thorough and correct information about the abduction.

This case is NOTHING like Polly's. :maddening:

 

[Wise Old Owl]

It was said by someone in an article that there had been fighting or arguing around Christmas time.I'm still hanging on to the fact he was possibly angry enough to risk losing his job by leaving.Angry or something else,I don't want to think about.

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of the fight being between Hailey and BD.

 

[katydid23]

Ok - next question

(((((((((((((Please don't throw things - I'm just throwing stuff up against the wall here))))))))

What if it was an accident? At the house. She fell hit her head or was hit in the head - but still alive. In a drug-adled panic BD doesn't know what to do and SA (seeing his chance at getting his fantasy) tells BD that he can't feel a pulse and that he'll "take care of it". He takes her with him on Monday morning - now she is in bad shape but still alive barely hanging on - that dogs wouldn't hit on that car. If it was a blunt force with no wound - no blood.

Plan was for both SA and BD to go to work ALL DAY and that he would take care of it after work before he picks up BD. He gets to work and just can't pass up his chance.

Fast forward to SA's phone going back into service later that morning in Big Spring. He knows he screwed up by leaving work (why he doesn't tell her for a few days). He gets to the house and is cleaning up - deer in the headlights.

I'm really wondering if that 2 PM text from BD's phone pinged at Snyder near the hospital and it was BD texting SA?

So, what if it was an accident?

I can buy the accident part and that SA would volunteer to take care it.
But it is hard for me to see BD being able to keep it together the next day, let alone the last month. She doesn't seem strong enough. But maybe her need to be there for DD gives her strength to hang in there.

 

[winterrose]

There's video cameras around,I'm sure they've been checked for people driving through the streets from her house that day.I'm just not sure how many,it's a small town and at what point were they checked,some places just tape over thier tapes.

 

[txsvicki]

Ok - question:

Did Hailey meet her demise in the house or elsewhere?

If it happened in the house - then she would have to have been transported and since LE has gone over that car with a fine tooth comb and now returned it - I don't believe they found anything in that car that led to a non-living Hailey.

So, if elsewhere - how did SA (or the perp) get Hailey out of the house and to where ever? I don't think she was THAT afraid of SA. Cz told us that Hailey would get in his face and scream at him and that BD would have to call her off. That's not typical behavior of a teen that is afraid of that person. I don't believe Hailey would have gone anywhere with SA.

Thoughts?

It is so sickening to picture a young girl having to get up in some mom boyfriend's face and scream at him. When people do that it's usually in defense of themselves due to being lied about, mistreated, taunted, abused, etc. Or was he trying to take over her life as well as her mom's, even to the point of having to ask him for money and permission to go to someone's home. I even wonder if it was his demands as the man to be the one to call and check on her when she was at friend's houses or something.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I can buy the accident part and that SA would volunteer to take care it.
But it is hard for me to see BD being able to keep it together the next day, let alone the last month. She doesn't seem strong enough. But maybe her need to be there for DD gives her strength to hang in there.

Oh believe me, she's strong enough. She's going up against NG every night - and she's (thinks) she's holding her own. She is scared to death. Which any parent of a missing child would be - but she justifies her fear by backing SA. That's her fear - SA. He knows. She could have simply passed out - after she got Hailey in bed and "tended" to - and SA took her in the night.

Their story has more holes that a hunk of good aged swiss.

She's put herself between a rock and a hard spot and she doesn't quite know what to do.

 

[winterrose]

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of the fight being between Hailey and BD.

Because she wanted to live with CD,probably,look at the two households,he has a new baby all the excitement and she was probably getting closer to his gf.Maybe the tv in her room was to make her happier and want to be there.

 

[Allusonz]

I am not sayng he mistrust them. I am saying he is aware mistakes happen and the LE personal are human and he is comparing mistakes to ones in Pollys case.There is no other way to make any sence of the statement because in no other way do these cases seem alike.

I dont think he has evidence to clear SA either but he knows there is another suspect and I think he thinks that deserves a look.

This is all opinion of course but I do believe he does know of a critical clue or tip or something that is making him make the statements he is making.
We should pay close attention to his wording.

again i must agree, we already know LE has made mistakes, and this is something i have wondered about

 

[txsvicki]

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of the fight being between Hailey and BD.

I'm thinking maybe a fight between SA and BD set something off again. He seemed to go ape (according to police reports and 911 calls) the other time there was a huge blowup, seemingly over money. Then that night, BD claims they were out of money, and there he was running around all day using up lots of gas in the vehicle, but waiting until SHE gets off work with the good ole debit card again in order to get more gas for him to run off somewhere the next day all day long.

 

[Soulmagent]

Because she wanted to live with CD,probably,look at the two households,he has a new baby all the excitement and she was probably getting closer to his gf.Maybe the tv in her room was to make her happier and want to be there.

Maybe Billie was just tired of Hailey sleeping in the living room? I used to get tired of it but after 3 kids I am over it.