TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #41

[Suthrnqt]

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Btw: I keep wondering why we have heard nothing about Hailey or in support of Billie's from Billie's family. Not a peep. We know she has at least a mother and a brother that are local. Even SA's uncle stepped up and attested to the "gentleness" of his nephew in the press. This is odd to me...

I'm thinking maybe the family isn't close to BD because of her lifestyle. And I am not trashing BD. Some families don't tolerate certain behaviors is all I am saying. Or the family doesn't want to be in the public eye for some reason. I certainly agree that it is odd, though.

 

[JenRen]

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Billie's friend said in the post that, in fact, this unnamed witness didn't know Billie to the best of her knowledge. The next day, BD said J. Burroughs has known the family for years. I'm not calling anyone a liar, just reporting the sources of some information that have been unclear and trying to separate what came directly from Billie in MSM and what was posted here by a second party. It's gotten a little muddy...

I am thinking there were two separate witnesses that day.

The hairdresser who saw Hailey walking with one other earlier in the day, at two separate times.

Unknown person who saw Hailey walking with TWO others later in the evening. This would be the person BD didn't know.

MOO

 

[mck16]

BBM. AS far as we know that is. It could be this case picked up steam because of people other than Bille. I would love to see the initial report. What did Billie state to LE? Maybe Billie gave LE a reason to think Hailey was a runaway. Or maybe that was LE making that assumption based on family history. Or maybe that's what LE seems to do initially in teen disappearances. Who knows huh?

I still go back to the affadavits where they call it a Kidnapping, and they say they base that on information on the electronic devices. I think that is significant and I think there is lots of evidence on those phones that has not been released. jmo

 

[LisaB]

I TOTALLY agree as a mother, my first stop would have been MB's not the CCPD...
My issue with MB's mother saying she didn't know what BD even looked like until NG, I find that very odd living in such a small community, having a child the same age, even if the girls had not been friends, would she never have seen BD at any store, school function, community function???? KWIM... BD lived there almost her entire life? Also, IIRC BD's friend that posted here that SHE had issues with MB's mother in the past, leading us to believe the mom was not credible? Again, with the entire situation she had with MB's mom and she being best friends of BD, would MB's mom not be aware of what BD even looked like through that entire situation?

Billie is being criticized for letting Hailey stay at the home of a child whose parent she did not even know. However, Mrs. G let MB stay over at Hailey's house previously, and she did not know the mother of the child with whom her daughter was staying either.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Geezus! Then where did it come from? Wait, don't tell me...NG?

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, we learn cops seize Hailey`s bed sheets, at this hour performing forensic tests to determine if a molestation and/or murder occurred there. Cops also investigating whether the live-in boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, has access to sulfuric acid at his job. Could that acid destroy a child`s body?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/18/ng.01.html

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I still go back to the affadavits where they call it a Kidnapping, and they say they base that on information on the electronic devices. I think that is significant and I think there is lots of evidence on those phones that has not been released. jmo

I think that LE used "kidnapping" on the affidavit because they have not found any evidence that Hailey is deceased.

O/T I'm rooting for "da Bears" cause I think the Steelers can beat "da Bears" and if the Packers win - well that'll be tough.

 

[SoSueMe]

To admit that Hailey could have had reason to run away would be an admission that BD is not June Cleaver.

IDK. But maybe because Hailey running away would make Billie look like a bad parent. She really hates it when people think that about her.

I'm sure most mother's don't want to admit to a national audience they were/are less than stellar in raising their children. I also think that plays a huge part in BD's half-hearted defense of SA.

 

[TGIRecovered]

I'm going to have to MOO this, because I have no idea what thread it might be on and no way to find the right FB account, but:

CD wrote posts directed to HD on his mothers FB account. They pleaded with her to come home, that she could live wherever she wanted (with him, her grandma...) and that they could work it out. Which to me said there had been family upset over HDs request to live elsewhere. Maybe someone else has the links to all of this.

Yes, I don't disagree that both Clint and BD have made statements to the effect of changing the living situation if necessary, in case Hailey did run away because she didn't like it.

My point would be that anything we take from those statements as far as how they might relate to what the MB's mother said; that she thinks there might have been a blow-up, would be opinion or rumor, not fact, unless proved otherwise.



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[TGIRecovered]

OT but I just have to say, I LOVE the Star Spangled Banner!!!!

:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:
I'm having one of those foggy moments...

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I still go back to the affadavits where they call it a Kidnapping, and they say they base that on information on the electronic devices. I think that is significant and I think there is lots of evidence on those phones that has not been released. jmo

Could be, and it is good for us to remember that kidnapping isn't necessarily an action conducted by a stranger:

Kidnapping: The crime of unlawfully seizing and carrying away a person by force or Fraud, or seizing and detaining a person against his or her will with an intent to carry that person away at a later time.



http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/kidnapping

 

[SoSueMe]

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Billie's friend said in the post that, in fact, this unnamed witness didn't know Billie to the best of her knowledge. The next day, BD said J. Burroughs has known the family for years. I'm not calling anyone a liar, just reporting the sources of some information that have been unclear and trying to separate what came directly from Billie in MSM and what was posted here by a second party. It's gotten a little muddy...

Okay, I may have misunderstood. I thought BD stated she didn't know the "witness" neighbor (the vet?) that was staying with a neighbor instead of the hair stylist.

 

[Peliman]

And yet, MB's mother says that Hailey has NEVER slept over at their house. ????????????????

Who is wrong or lying? Maybe Hailey told her mom she was staying there but was actually somewhere else???????

Maybe it's a story put out by BD. Do we have any confirmation from MB or her mom Hailey was expected for a sleep over?

Is it a extra piece of information that can't be confirmed?

 

[LisaB]

I wish NG would ask Billie if Shawn ever made his own mask to sell or use. They appear to be leather and the acid found in the trunk is used for making leather, or tanning.

LE released a list of items found in the trunk, as required by law. There was no mention of ANY acid...

 

[darlin gal]

Can someone point me toward the details of the acid? Where, how much, etc? TIA.

It was only mentioned on NG. It was not reported anywhere else.

Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, we learn cops seized Hailey`s bed sheets, and at this hour performing forensic tests on those sheets to determine if a molestation and/or a murder occurred there. Cops investigating whether the live-in, Shawn Adkins, had access to sulfuric acid at his job. Could it destroy a child`s body?

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, we learn cops seize Hailey`s bed sheets, at this hour performing forensic tests to determine if a molestation and/or murder occurred there. Cops also investigating whether the live-in boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, has access to sulfuric acid at his job. Could that acid destroy a child`s body?

GRACE: Rupa Mikkilineni, you also mentioned items being taken out of the car that are being tested right now. What items, do you know?

MIKKILINENI: Well, we know that there was debris found in the trunk of a car, which is being tested. We also know that -- you know, police have gone a little bit further in just speaking about the kinds of tests that they would be doing. Now, they are not saying that they have, in fact, found evidence. But one such theory that they`ve discussed, Nancy, is the possibility of acid maybe being used.

In this community, in this area -- this is an oil field area, and in fact, Shawn Adkins worked for a pipeline company. So he`s familiar with oil fields and knows people that would have access to particular types of acid, sulfuric acid, HCL, hydrochloric acid. And these types of acids can be known to be used in the disposal of a body, Nancy.

GRACE: Back to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent "In Session." Jean, sulfuric acid has taken center stage in the police search today. What do you know?

CASAREZ: Well, isn`t it interesting that when you look at a community that they may know the ways -- what someone may use in a homicide. This is west Texas. This is oil well country. He worked on the rigs. And sulfuric acid is something that`s used to dig the holes and they believe that that can be, in a sense, a murder weapon, something that can be used during the commission of a homicide.

GRACE: To Howard Oliver, Deputy Medical Examiner, Forensic Pathologist, joining us out of L.A. You`ve heard the discussion about the acid that cops believe the boyfriend has access to at his job. What would that do to a body?

HOWARD OLIVER, DEPUTY MEDICAL EXAMINER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Well, it would take a great deal of acid, enough to submerge the body but it would disintegrate all the tissues off the body including the bones.

http://www.studentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/18/ng.01.html


I don't know where they got the "acid" hint/tip from or if it was speculation on Rupa's part???

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I'm sure most mother's don't want to admit to a national audience they were/are less than stellar in raising their children. I also think that plays a huge part in BD's half-hearted defense of SA.

The woman's child is missing. And "less than stellar" is putting it mildly.

 

[LisaB]

Sure you can say it.......WOO will be bonkers tonight when the STEELERS whoop the jets. :great:

HA! You only WISH!

 

[debirlfan]

[/B]

Billie's friend said in the post that, in fact, this unnamed witness didn't know Billie to the best of her knowledge. The next day, BD said J. Burroughs has known the family for years. I'm not calling anyone a liar, just reporting the sources of some information that have been unclear and trying to separate what came directly from Billie in MSM and what was posted here by a second party. It's gotten a little muddy...

That could be chalked up to differing definitions of "know" - I know who my next door neighbor is - I know her name and what she looks like - but I don't "know" her - I've never chatted with her/been in her house.

BD and the hairdresser may know each other as far as living in the same neighborhood/recognizing each other/possibly even kids play together and yet not "know" in the sense of being acquainted or friends.

 

[Kamille]

I am thinking there were two separate witnesses that day.

The hairdresser who saw Hailey walking with one other earlier in the day, at two separate times.

Unknown person who saw Hailey walking with TWO others later in the evening. This would be the person BD didn't know.

MOO

And don't forget the one who saw her with two girls during the day. LE even went to the school to figure that one out. Turns out it was a different day also.

So that's three sitings that were out there right at the beginning? No wonder LE didn't suspect foul play.

MOO

 

[darlin gal]

Maybe it's a story put out by BD. Do we have any confirmation from MB or her mom Hailey was expected for a sleep over?

Is it a extra piece of information that can't be confirmed?

She was not expected for a sleeper nor had she ever slept at MB's before. MB had stayed at Hailey's in the past. MB's mom stopped that practice though when she heard the kid's were allowed to run the streets.

 

[LisaB]

I am not sure if that is correct. CZ knew who it was that made the statement concerning the sighting. So obviously BD would have been told who it was. And CZ said that the woman said so from the start of the investigation.

I ABSOLUTELY remember cz saying she knew who the woman was, but Billie had not been told.