TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #44

[lillys]

I don't dread your questions. I just don't want to stir things up to a frenzy and start an argument.

It is hard to answer this particular question - because everyone loves someone that another person might not have any use for. But I will give it a go. I am putting a disclaimer smack dab in the middle though that this is coming out of my mouth, not Billie's. Shawn is funny, and I have heard Billie talk about how sweet and caring he is. They have gone through ups and downs like anyone else (although maybe more extreme), and she feels like she can count on him. The kids were not scared of him. While of course I have not had the opportunity to talk to Hailey about this, DD has not given any indication that he dislikes Shawn. I dont really know what else to say, because I cannot just reach into Billie's heart and pull her feelings out.

And of course there is the fact of not wanting to believe that someone you love can do something awful..... but it is more than that. Maybe Billie is in denial, as so many people say, but I don't see it. She knows him, and for whatever reason feels in her heart that he is not capable of hurting her kids.

Hi there! Please don't answer these questions if you feel they are too personal ok? I don't want to step over any bounds of break TOS.

1.Does Billie have any idea then who would take Hailey? Can she think of anyone? (God bless Hailey who's been missing almost a month. )

2.IIRC you said you met Shawn a while ago. Did you know that Shawn was a fan of slasher films and liked to scare people?

3.Did you know that Shawn collected mask like those worn in some horror movies?

I'm curious about what Shawn may have shared with you about himself.
From personal experience, I've met people who would tell you their life story in 10 minutes. lol Just wondering if Shawn was that type of person.

TIA

 

[Peliman]

I need someone with a better memory than me to help me out with something.

BD is claiming that right before she took her LDT she was told that SA had failed his. BD then takes her LDT and "fails" but then blames it on the stress of what she had just heard because she had put so much faith in LDTs. Promptly after "failing" her own LDT she is then interviewed by LE for 10 hours. BD has claimed that she told SA to leave when she found out about him "failing" his LDT. Now, didn't we find out that SA left the house during the time that BD was with LE?! SA went to his mother's house? Then we also heard from DD that SA skipped town or something to that effect? So the really confusing part for me is this...........when exactly did BD have a chance to tell SA to leave the house? Or did he leave on his own and this is another mistaken statement made by BD?

According to the affidavit BD had an opportunity to explain the results of the polygraph and BD could not explain why she failed the poly test. BD ended the interview by walking out of the interview. Note: She has done several interviews.

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http://www.reporternews.com/photos/galleries/2011/jan/12/affidavit-search-dunns-phone/23334/

 

[Pondering Mind]

A few others have had a problem too. I don't know. Maybe try the Mirc way to get in?

Salem

I tried to shortly after Kyron went missing..never could get in..even though someone tried to walk me thru it!

 

[czgtz]

I need someone with a better memory than me to help me out with something.

BD is claiming that right before she took her LDT she was told that SA had failed his. BD then takes her LDT and "fails" but then blames it on the stress of what she had just heard because she had put so much faith in LDTs. Promptly after "failing" her own LDT she is then interviewed by LE for 10 hours. BD has claimed that she told SA to leave when she found out about him "failing" his LDT. Now, didn't we find out that SA left the house during the time that BD was with LE?! SA went to his mother's house? Then we also heard from DD that SA skipped town or something to that effect? So the really confusing part for me is this...........when exactly did BD have a chance to tell SA to leave the house? Or did he leave on his own and this is another mistaken statement made by BD?

Billie did not try to say anything made her fail the poly. A lot of people speculated that the stress of finding out Shawn failed his might have caused her to fail hers. After she found out Shawn failed his, but before she took hers, LE asked her if she wanted to file an emergency TRO - she said yes, of course, because she didn't want him in her house if he failed the poly. Then she failed hers, and didn't know what to think. She didn't indicate deception on any question - LE explained that she failed because she went 'out of parameters', but not in response to a question (don't ask me).

I never asked her if she told Shawn herself to leave or if LE passed that message on to him for her. But he was gone when LE brought her back to her house.

 

[grandmaj]

CZ the Chief of Police was in the interview with SA and thus signed the affidavit. From my reading of that affidavit the Chief and other officers were attesting to a past police report in which SA admitted to threatening Hailey. It is not unusual for a police department to check calls to a particular location for several years back in the case of a new call to a home.

Doing a complete background on the parties as part of their investigation into even traffic tickets is routinely done. That doesn't mean that the Chief was Chief then, only that upon review of the records, there is record of this admission somewhere on file.

I hear this every single call on the scanner. They will record of any domestic abuse, drug problems, any police activity at all. They can tell if there was a 911 hang up, a dog complaint, a call for medical aid.

The affidavit is referencing a previous event in my reading which provided background into another incident.

 

[cluciano63]

The thread is closed. It is instructional only.

So there isn't really a happening chat going on?:waitasec:

 

[Kimster]

So there isn't really a happening chat going on?:waitasec:

Yes there is, but it isn't on Websleuths. The directions on how to get in the chat are at that link.

 

[czgtz]

Hi there! Please don't answer these questions if you feel they are too personal ok? I don't want to step over any bounds of break TOS.

1.Does Billie have any idea then who would take Hailey? Can she think of anyone? (God bless Hailey who's been missing almost a month. )

2.IIRC you said you met Shawn a while ago. Did you know that Shawn was a fan of slasher films and liked to scare people?

3.Did you know that Shawn collected mask like those worn in some horror movies?

I'm curious about what Shawn may have shared with you about himself.
From personal experience, I've met people who would tell you their life story in 10 minutes. lol Just wondering if Shawn was that type of person.

TIA

Billie has no idea what has happened to Hailey.

I know that they all watch horror films on occasion - scaring people.... well, not necessarily, but lots of people, myself included, pop out and scare someone.

I knew that he had masks, but not that they were from a particular movie.

 

[Peliman]

CZ quick question and thanks for showing up and getting under the bright lights and answering. Quick question if I may about the search. Has SA or his parents given LE permission to search their properties? Has SA's mother, grandmothers properties been searched? Any info you can provide is helpful, thanks.

 

[RavenTrue]

If Billie took another poly, and passed, would that in your mind absolve her of any knowledge of Hailey's disappearance (or coverup after the fact)?

Not asked of me, but answer would be..
yes

 

[Hatch]

What are her plans? Will she go back to work? I assume she will have to , so she can pay bills? JW

 

[czgtz]

CZ quick question and thanks for showing up and getting under the bright lights and answering. Quick question if I may about the search. Has SA or his parents given LE permission to search their properties? Has SA's mother, grandmothers properties been searched? Any info you can provide is helpful, thanks.

I have no idea if any of these properties have been searched. That is something that I want to know myself.... and if they haven't, why in the heck not.

 

[czgtz]

What are her plans? Will she go back to work? I assume she will have to , so she can pay bills? JW

At some point, yes she will have to return to work. Right now though, I don't see how she could.

 

[scrap_hag]

I never said that is was normal..just that it happens much more often than some realize but does not always mean the end of a family. ..I can tell you that from personal experience that it's no way to live. My ex husband once told me that he never broke a bone or put me in the hospital..therefore her was not an abuser, but he beat the chit out of me nevertheless....and obviously I would NEVER recommend moving someone into your life that was an abuser, but more often than not..you are already in it when the abuse starts..at least I was and only 16 years old...

The only reason I posted in response to you was because I was the one who asked CZ that..AND she was hesitant to answer because she could only do so from her own perspective and said so...

As far as the bolded...I agree completely and NEVER suggested otherwise, k?

Giving BD the benefit of the doubt...for several reasons. I am a retired nurse--have dealt with many horrific scenarios without reaction (does not mean without emotion). I have been asked numerous times over my long career, "how did I hold it together"?. Many years ago, I was a physically and emotionally battered wife. I know how abuse can affect a person. I came from a family of stoics....it was not acceptable to cry (even when my own father died at age 15). Many many things in life influence how a person responds during crisis.

Regarding moving someone into ones own family---I know I was broken down emotionally and made many bad choices in men, following my first marriage/relationship. It set the tone for what followed. I defended many people that didn't deserve it. It was a different reality, but it was my reality.

I can't imagine what BD must be going thru~and what repercussions this may have when/if she is proven to be uninvolved in the disappearance of her daughter.

I think about Hailey on a daily basis. I hope there is closure sooner rather than later. All touched by this case, are in my prayers.

 

[Hatch]

If there is any ! And I guess we all are assuming there is from your statements, make arrangements to meet him, then grill him, scream , cry , cuss, threaten and stomp the Chit out of him until he tells you what he knows about your babies disappearance ! Please !! Girl time is wasting !! IMO
We all want Hailey brought back home. OK !

 

[Hatch]

At some point, yes she will have to return to work. Right now though, I don't see how she could.

Seems it might do her good to get back to some normalcy ! IMO

 

[Peliman]

I have no idea if any of these properties have been searched. That is something that I want to know myself.... and if they haven't, why in the heck not.

Thanks and wanting to know myself. It would seem to me if SA wanted to start clearing his name he'd be inviting LE to search his properties and gain some credibility, although that may take awhile. SA states he wants Hailey found, so I'm looking for LE to state he's cooperating in searches and attempting to clear his name. It's unknown at this time. I'd expect any credible citizen to allow it to happen.

 

[czgtz]

If there is any ! And I guess we all are assuming there is from your statements, make arrangements to meet him, then grill him, scream , cry , cuss, threaten and stomp the Chit out of him until he tells you what he knows about your babies disappearance ! Please !! Girl time is wasting !! IMO
We all want Hailey brought back home. OK !

LE has encouraged Billie to keep the lines of communication open. His family (or attorney) have not allowed him to talk to her when she has called (or gone with the Rangers). Believe me, there are plenty of questions that she wants answered.

 

[Soulmagent]

Salem, it's in the affidavit, along with all the others BD printed.

ETA: this is from p.4 of the first affidavit batch released:

This case was on A&E or ID TV arround sept oct or nov. I watched it myself.

So maybe we should look and see what the TV line ups were. I often watch these shows all day and google things all day sometimes. (I know I need a hobby) Billie has a job and cant watch and google so maybe she made a list of cases she wanted to read more of.

 

[MsFacetious]

SherryK, thank for for taking the time to write that post. Sometimes I sit and read this thread wondering if there is anyone else out there who doesn't get a thrill out of seeing this mother's every flaw laid bare for the world to see. It is so clear to me that BD is truly trying to do all she can to bring Hailey home.

I hope that time away from SA will help her to see clearly that she has been decieved, and that she will have the courage to cut all ties with him for the sake of her own sanity and the safety of her kids.

There is someone else out there.... that is why I haven't been on the last 10+ Hailey threads.

I am SO much like Billie. A family member called me after seeing Billie on Nancy and informed me: "I feel like I am watching you! She's as cold hearted as you are. I would think she was guilty if I didn't know you would come across exactly the same way."

I see the comments about Billie and some are almost verbatim things that have been said about me.

Then it hits me like a ton of bricks... if MY child went missing... THIS is what the people at Web Sleuths would think about ME. Even the people here who LIKE me, would think I was guilty the first time they saw me on TV.

I certainly hope that being a member here gives you some sort of credibility. Because otherwise, I would be sitting exactly where Billie is. Minus the creepy boyfriend.

I couldn't handle it anymore. It's too much reality for me and I couldn't defend Billie, it was doing no good to try and show another side.

This case is giving me nightmares.

The scary part of the nightmare isn't the missing child. It's the part where everyone decides I did it just because of the way I come across. The part where I'm completely helpless because I can't make them understand me. I never could, I never can and I never will be able to.

The thought of knowing that the way my brain is wired... would prevent people from looking for my child... would convince them that my child couldn't be alive... makes me sick. :sick: