TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #44

[sorrell skye]

According to the affidavit, Shawn admitted to threatening to kill Billie and her daughter Hailey. His statements were witnessed by 3 LE officers - Sides, Gilly, and Police Chief Bivins.

BD has admitted that her lover Shawn threatened to murder her last February 2010.

BD has admitted that her lover threatened to murder her estranged husband.

The affidavit states that Shawn Adkins admitted to threatening to murder Billie Jean Dunn and her daughter Hailey Dunn. His statements were witnessed by 3 LE officers.

I see no reason to believe that Sides, Gilly, and Police Chief Bivins are lying.

ETA: http://www.ktxs.com/download/2011/0112/26466351.pdf

Anyone is free to read the affidavit for themselves.

 

[Tugela]

Billie did not try to say anything made her fail the poly. A lot of people speculated that the stress of finding out Shawn failed his might have caused her to fail hers. After she found out Shawn failed his, but before she took hers, LE asked her if she wanted to file an emergency TRO - she said yes, of course, because she didn't want him in her house if he failed the poly. Then she failed hers, and didn't know what to think. She didn't indicate deception on any question - LE explained that she failed because she went 'out of parameters', but not in response to a question (don't ask me).

I never asked her if she told Shawn herself to leave or if LE passed that message on to him for her. But he was gone when LE brought her back to her house.

That is because lie detector tests are snake oil science.

 

[MsFacetious]

It looks like the OP is offline now, but I am really curious about this statement. Of course I would be glad for everyone to feel differently about Billie, but I got to thinking. Now, I promise I am not trying to start any type of argument here, or question anyone's opinion, but I really would like to hear from anyone who would jump in and answer this.

If Billie took another poly, and passed, would that in your mind absolve her of any knowledge of Hailey's disappearance (or coverup after the fact)?And along those same lines, what if Shawn took another and passed - would that change your feelings on him at all, or has he already proved himself to be involved simply by his odd actions at work and with LE?

I do not believe Billie is involved in anyway.

If Billie took another polygraph and passed, I would still feel she wasn't involved.

If Billie took another polygraph and failed, I would still feel she wasn't involved.

I think there are some who are very strong believers in the polygraph who would believe her if she passed it.

Many others would still not be able to believe it because she failed the first one. Or they just don't believe the polygraph at all.

I haven't formed a strong opinion on Shawn either way, but passing or failing another polygraph wouldn't change that either.

Many serial killers have passed polygraphs... only to kill many more people before being caught.

Many innocent people have failed polygraphs and lost everything because people thought they killed this person... only to be exonerated years later.

 

[czgtz]

Well, I have to get to bed. Good night y'all.

Please continue to pray for Hailey, and that God keeps His hand on her and everyone who loves her.

 

[Hatch]

Well, I have to get to bed. Good night y'all.

Please continue to pray for Hailey, and that God keeps His hand on her and everyone who loves her.

We will and we will include You and BD in those prayers !

 

[CKay]

There is someone else out there.... that is why I haven't been on the last 10+ Hailey threads.

I am SO much like Billie. A family member called me after seeing Billie on Nancy and informed me: "I feel like I am watching you! She's as cold hearted as you are. I would think she was guilty if I didn't know you would come across exactly the same way."

I see the comments about Billie and some are almost verbatim things that have been said about me.

Then it hits me like a ton of bricks... if MY child went missing... THIS is what the people at Web Sleuths would think about ME. Even the people here who LIKE me, would think I was guilty the first time they saw me on TV.

I certainly hope that being a member here gives you some sort of credibility. Because otherwise, I would be sitting exactly where Billie is. Minus the creepy boyfriend.

I couldn't handle it anymore. It's too much reality for me and I couldn't defend Billie, it was doing no good to try and show another side.

This case is giving me nightmares.

The scary part of the nightmare isn't the missing child. It's the part where everyone decides I did it just because of the way I come across. The part where I'm completely helpless because I can't make them understand me. I never could, I never can and I never will be able to.

The thought of knowing that the way my brain is wired... would prevent people from looking for my child... would convince them that my child couldn't be alive... makes me sick. :sick:

Billie is not without supporters. I believe her, and will be dang upset if she makes me doubt my gut.

As for you my dear, you expressed yourself so well just now ... as you always do. I know that comes with much thought processing though, which makes TV interviews a scary thought for me too.

 

[Hatch]

Please Lord if you have a plan for us Wsleuthers, give it to us in our dreams tonight ! Help us Help Haliey ! Lay your hand upon all the searchers tomorrow and Hailey's family, let them be in peace about what has happened and what may come. And give them the strength to come forward with any new leads that will lead to Hailey, because none of the mentioned above can rest until we know where Hailey is and that she is at peace. Amen ! JMO

 

[Tugela]

According the affidavit, Shawn admitted to threatening to kill Billie and her daughter Hailey. His statements were witnessed by 3 LE officers - Sides, Gilly, and Police Chief Bivins.

BD has admitted that her lover Shawn threatened to murder her last February 2010.

BD has admitted that her lover threatened to murder her estranged husband.

The affidavit states that Shawn Adkins admitted to threatening to murder Billie Jean Dunn and her daughter Hailey Dunn. His statements were witnessed by 3 LE officers.

I see no reason to believe that Sides, Gilly, and Police Chief Bivins are lying.

The investigators that paragraph as it stands refers to are the original investigators though, not Sides, Gilly, and Bivins.

But, assuming for the sake of argument that the affidavit has been poorly crafted and it does in fact refer to Sides, Gilly, and Bivins, and given that we know from the original incident did NOT involve threats to HD (as clearly evidenced by the 911 recordings), then you would have to agree that Sides, Gilly, and Bivins were confused about the original event and that SA was also confused. Or more likely he didn't recall the exact words and events from a year ago other than that him and BD had a big fight, and agreed with Sides, Gilly, and Bivins on the assumption that they knew what they were talking about (which apparently they didn't).

When deciding if these threats were true or not, and just exactly who they were made against, then you need to look at what was said in the original 911 tapes and any police report that might have been made at the time, along with any statements SA and BD made at the time, not what was said at a meeting a year later.

 

[Hippy Chick]

czgtz,
Do u think BD is afraid of SA? Do you think she could be afraid for hers and DD's life. I know I would be afraid of him and his friends, maybe that is why her demnor is so strange and robot like. It seems to me she picks and chooses her words carefully. May also be why DD has been taken out of the house.

 

[TGIRecovered]

LE has encouraged Billie to keep the lines of communication open. His family (or attorney) have not allowed him to talk to her when she has called (or gone with the Rangeris). Believe me, there are plenty of questions that she wants answered.

I think Billie needs to tell SA that she doesn't need a relationship with a little boy whose Mommy won't allow him to take responsibility for his own lies.

Since when does a 25 year old man need his family's okay to talk to LE? You know what? He doesn't!:floorlaugh:

Quit hiding behind your parents and speak for yourself...publicly!

 

[cluciano63]

Suspecting Billie of any part in Hailey's disappearance or knowing more than she is saying, is not coming from her demeanor, but from her own words and the changes to various statements that are almost constant. I do not believe she is being judged because she comes across a certain way and we would prefer/like to see her another way; her flat effect may add to the discomfort I know I feel when her statements are not consistent.

 

[grandmaj]

Do not personalize posts. If you disagree with the opinion you post about your opinion and how it differs. You do not attack a poster you argue the opinion.

 

[Tugela]

czgtz,
Do u think BD is afraid of SA? Do you think she could be afraid for hers and DD's life. I know I would be afraid of him and his friends, maybe that is why her demnor is so strange and robot like. It seems to me she picks and chooses her words carefully. May also be why DD has been taken out of the house.

I don't think she is afraid of him. So far we have seen absolutely nothing to indicate that. It could be that she is afraid of what he might say, which is something quite different. It doesn't make sense, she has all the reason in the world to toss him to the curb and no one would think badly of it, but she doesn't. It is very odd.

I imagine that DD was removed because BD/SD are unfit parents more than anything else. Remember these kids were basically being allowed to roam at will with little or no supervision. Even if HD is found alive and well there is a very good chance that the same thing would happen to her.

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

Billie did not try to say anything made her fail the poly. A lot of people speculated that the stress of finding out Shawn failed his might have caused her to fail hers. After she found out Shawn failed his, but before she took hers, LE asked her if she wanted to file an emergency TRO - she said yes, of course, because she didn't want him in her house if he failed the poly. Then she failed hers, and didn't know what to think. She didn't indicate deception on any question - LE explained that she failed because she went 'out of parameters', but not in response to a question (don't ask me).

I never asked her if she told Shawn herself to leave or if LE passed that message on to him for her. But he was gone when LE brought her back to her house.

I'm confused...:waitasec:

BBM

Told of Dean's statement that no results of passing or failure were pronounced, Billie Dunn twice reasserted her position: She was told there was "deception indicated."

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26401950/detail.html

BILLIE DUNN: Thanks for having us again. I don`t know. They had me very faithful (ph) in that test. We brought the polygraph up first. We asked for it, and they were told us -- they told us they were very confident in those tests. They -- I put a lot of confidence into those tests.

The first Friday they had it set up for us to take, we had taken Ativan the night before to go to sleep. They didn`t tell us we couldn`t have anxiety medicine. So when we were able to get it set up again -- Shawn had actually called them and asked them if he could come down and take it yet, and they said yes. They came, picked him up. He took his. I went in. They told me he failed it. I lost it, of course. I told them I had so much faith in that test.

Then they took me over to the courthouse. I took a polygraph test. I failed it, lost all faith in the test. A couple of other people failed it. One guy I do not know. One person took it three times, took it twice and failed it...

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/06/ng.01.html

She acknowledged failing the polygraph but said it was most disturbing that Adkins walked out of his test and that he failed it.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/hailey-dunns-mother-addresses-findings-affadavits/

GRACE: OK. I want to go back to you being told that you were deceptive on your polygraph test.

BILLIE DUNN: OK.

GRACE: Had you taken any drugs or smoked pot before the polygraph test?

BILLIE DUNN: No. But they knew I had taken some pain medicine and antibiotics for a bad tooth. They told us not to take any anxiety medication. I didn`t know I was going to take the test that day.

GRACE: You know, that`s very well put. And the mom is saying that right before she went to take her poly, the police said well, your boyfriend just flunked. The police are saying no, that didn`t happen, but the word she used, Mark Smith, were that there had been -- excuse me, deception indicated.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/10/ng.01.html

BILLIE DUNN: As soon as I found out he failed the test, I told him I didn`t want him back at my house. And now I don`t know what to think anymore. I would just rather he stay there until she comes home or they find her and we clear this up.

GRACE: What was his response when you told him to get out?

BILLIE DUNN: He was very tearful, very tearful, and he said he would go.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/06/ng.01.html

 

[grandmaj]

I'm going to take my mod hat off for just one minute here. As a former Town Manager I know a little about the public records laws.

When a freedom of information request is made, the records can be redacted so far as how it may impede an ongoing criminal investigation. The Chief of Police in this case would be the keeper of the record for criminal records. Therefore he could redact a report, he could hold back a tape recording, and if a partial copy can be provided without it impeding the investigation he is required by law to provide a partial redacted record of the event. This well may have happened in this matter of the phone calls, any incident report by BD and any incident report by SA. or any witnesses including the children. We do not know what records LE has or doesn't have. We know only what was released under the Freedom of Information Act.

Also, under the Act, a keeper of the records is not required to provide anything other than what is requested although it is always better to give as much as you can for a particular matter rather than less. So long as it won't impede an ongoing legal matter or police investigation rather than deny a report you just give it if you know about it. If there is something in incident reports on this matter that they may want to use to prosecute any party, they are not going to release that document or tape recording at this time and have a legal right under the exemptions to withhold it.

If the local media is not used to this process, it is possible they requested the 911 tapes. Do we know if all of the tapes have been released? NO. Did they request a copy of the police incident reports? We do not know.

I'm a little hesitant to say we know everything about this incident in February based on what was released. I'm also pretty sure that there is a City Attorney working with LE to ensure their compliance is legal and above board. They are not going to lose this case because they are called on the carpet for failure to properly execute affidavits IMO.

Unfortunately we have reached a point in this investigation where news is going to be slow, things will be kept from the public and we won't have immediate answers.

I am open to the possibility that there is more that we haven't heard about the February call. And I would be shocked to have an affidavit filed by LE that misrepresented an event.

 

[sorrell skye]

The investigators that paragraph as it stands refers to are the original investigators though, not Sides, Gilly, and Bivins.

But, assuming for the sake of argument that the affidavit has been poorly crafted and it does in fact refer to Sides, Gilly, and Bivins, and given that we know from the original incident did NOT involve threats to HD (as clearly evidenced by the 911 recordings), then you would have to agree that Sides, Gilly, and Bivins were confused about the original event and that SA was also confused. Or more likely he didn't recall the exact words and events from a year ago other than that him and BD had a big fight, and agreed with Sides, Gilly, and Bivins on the assumption that they knew what they were talking about (which apparently they didn't).

When deciding if these threats were true or not, and just exactly who they were made against, then you need to look at what was said in the original 911 tapes and any police report that might have been made at the time, along with any statements SA and BD made at the time, not what was said at a meeting a year later.

I fail to see why this continues to be a point of discussion - we have all heard the 911 calls,wherein BD reported that SA made homicidal threats against her.

BD herself has admitted that her lover threatened to MURDER her.

Does it really matter whether or not those threats included CD or HD? The fact of the matter is: SA threatened to murder BD, and also either CD and/or HD. Apparently, SA has homicidal tendencies.

I will not be one to make excuses for him.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Suspecting Billie of any part in Hailey's disappearance or knowing more than she is saying, is not coming from her demeanor, but from her own words and the changes to various statements that are almost constant. I do not believe she is being judged because she comes across a certain way and we would prefer/like to see her another way; her flat effect may add to the discomfort I know I feel when her statements are not consistent.

I have to agree with this. Suspecting Billie in some way for me doesn't rest on her failed polygraph test or on her demeanor, mostly it's because of her evasive and inconsistent statements. She doesn't answer questions properly, she dances around with her off-the-wall remarks, and she keeps changing her story. Plus there's a lack of emotion and lack of urgency in her voice. Not to mention her wording, "Hailey isn't in the home". WTH? That's just bizarre.

The only time I've seen any REAL emotion from her is when she talks about her most unusual boyfriend. Very, very disturbing.

Even if she passed five polygraph exams and shed a million tears onscreen, if she were still skirting the questions and giving inconsistent answers, she'd be on MY suspect list - suspected as in "knowing something" or worse.

That's just the way it is.

 

[belimom]

I'm going to take my mod hat off for just one minute here. As a former Town Manager I know a little about the public records laws.

When a freedom of information request is made, the records can be redacted so far as how it may impede an ongoing criminal investigation. The Chief of Police in this case would be the keeper of the record for criminal records. Therefore he could redact a report, he could hold back a tape recording, and if a partial copy can be provided without it impeding the investigation he is required by law to provide a partial redacted record of the event. This well may have happened in this matter of the phone calls, any incident report by BD and any incident report by SA. or any witnesses including the children. We do not know what records LE has or doesn't have. We know only what was released under the Freedom of Information Act.

Also, under the Act, a keeper of the records is not required to provide anything other than what is requested although it is always better to give as much as you can for a particular matter rather than less. So long as it won't impede an ongoing legal matter or police investigation rather than deny a report you just give it if you know about it. If there is something in incident reports on this matter that they may want to use to prosecute any party, they are not going to release that document or tape recording at this time and have a legal right under the exemptions to withhold it.

If the local media is not used to this process, it is possible they requested the 911 tapes. Do we know if all of the tapes have been released? NO. Did they request a copy of the police incident reports? We do not know.

I'm a little hesitant to say we know everything about this incident in February based on what was released. I'm also pretty sure that there is a City Attorney working with LE to ensure their compliance is legal and above board. They are not going to lose this case because they are called on the carpet for failure to properly execute affidavits IMO.

Unfortunately we have reached a point in this investigation where news is going to be slow, things will be kept from the public and we won't have immediate answers.

I am open to the possibility that there is more that we haven't heard about the February call. And I would be shocked to have an affidavit filed by LE that misrepresented an event.

bbm

I know this is a long post to quote but I agree with you 100%. Especially the part I bolded... There are serious consequences for these officers if they lie under oath and under penalty of perjury.

 

[sorrell skye]

Like I said awhile ago - I ain't gonna eat crumbs off the floor and call it supper. I don't care who's serving it.

I find it rather convenient for the significant other of the only named suspect in the criminal investigation of Hailey's disappearance to be the one who gets to decide what is the truth and what isn't (of course as relayed by someone else).

IMO, that's a HUGE conflict of interest.

Especially considering the fact that the significant other of the only named suspect has yet to be cleared by LE in her daughter's disappearance.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Like I said awhile ago - I ain't gonna eat crumbs off the floor and call it supper. I don't care who's serving it.

I find it rather convenient for the significant other of the only named suspect in the criminal investigation of Hailey's disappearance to be the one who gets to decide what is the truth and what isn't (of course as relayed by someone else).

IMO, that's a HUGE conflict of interest.

Especially considering the fact that the significant other of the only named suspect has yet to be cleared by LE in her daughter's disappearance.

I totally get where you're coming from, as I was here for quite a while earlier and decided to try and get some sleep. (didn't work as you can tell) I feel a little differently regarding parts of your post. While I believe any info relayed to us is truly believed by those who do the relaying, that certainly doesn't make it factual and it doesn't mean that we have to eat the crumbs of the floor, although I most definitely believe some think we do...I don't even think the server expects us to do that, lol! For some reason I have found that whenever we have someone close to a case that's posting, many take what they say as gospel...EVEN THOUGH they may only know what they have been told and believe it to be true (granted by someone I believe to be a liar) but I can't fault them for that. I could if I believed it was an intent to deceive.. but I don't believe that to be the case here, imo. I have found however that to dare go against the grain during those times is almost like blasphemy..and THAT I could do without..because as you said..that sure doesn't make it supper and just because I feel differently than some..it can get tiring being shut down for no other reason than others that blindly believe 'the relayed info' and don't consider the source that it came from. This post makes total sense doesn't it, lol? Back to bed to try again!