TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #44

[katydid23]

The investigators that paragraph as it stands refers to are the original investigators though, not Sides, Gilly, and Bivins.

But, assuming for the sake of argument that the affidavit has been poorly crafted and it does in fact refer to Sides, Gilly, and Bivins, and given that we know from the original incident did NOT involve threats to HD (as clearly evidenced by the 911 recordings), then you would have to agree that Sides, Gilly, and Bivins were confused about the original event and that SA was also confused. Or more likely he didn't recall the exact words and events from a year ago other than that him and BD had a big fight, and agreed with Sides, Gilly, and Bivins on the assumption that they knew what they were talking about (which apparently they didn't).

When deciding if these threats were true or not, and just exactly who they were made against, then you need to look at what was said in the original 911 tapes and any police report that might have been made at the time, along with any statements SA and BD made at the time, not what was said at a meeting a year later.

What about the text messages? That is where Billie said the threats were being made. How do you know what was said in those texts?

 

[Pondering Mind]

bbm

I know this is a long post to quote but I agree with you 100%. Especially the part I bolded... There are serious consequences for these officers if they lie under oath and under penalty of perjury.

and in a high profile case such as this...the odds would be astronomical that would happen imo..

 

[Caligram]

This is not my Action Plan, this is how I feel I would react. I don't know if anyone can predict exactly what they would do in these circumstances. I ran it through my head and past my heart, and this is what I got:

I have been following this case with a heavy heart. If my child/grandchild were missing I would, absolutely, positively: bawl, howl like an animal, grab some tissues and wipe my eyes so I could see the numbers on my phone, call 911. I would not be calm, I would be frantic, I would not be concerned that the call was being recorded...my child is missing. Not "went missing" because IMO to me, went indicates went intentionally. Maybe it is just me, but I would have already looked for a note, searched her room, called her best friends. Then, there would be no room and no time for denial. When I was sure my child was indeed missing I would be terrified of what may have happened - I would know that she didn't just leave, and would never hint at that possibility. I would be completely honest with the LE responders, and would do whatever I was asked to do...LDT, sure, get it done, then find my child. Please, I would be begging and sobbing as I rubbed my eyes, not caring about any smeared mascara. What would be in my head would be one thing only "my child is missing". If media showed up, let them, film whatever you want, here is her picture, help me find her. Here is her description. Help me find her. I would hope that a family member or neighbor would be there to keep me from pulling out my hair or banging my head against the wall, falling apart. But the words that would keep running through my head and spilling out of my mouth would not change: "my child is missing" my child is missing" my child is missing".
May God help me that I am never placed in that situation. I don't know if I could stand the emotional pain the first 24 hours. That is my idea of hell, there is no other word for it, absolute terrifying living hell. The not knowing, the thought of somebody snatching my child off the street. Then comes the self blame - the should'a, would'a, and could'a,s and of course, the if only’s! By then it's too late for caution, and I don't know how a parent can go on day after day. My heart breaks for the missing children, and the endless forever pain that a parent would have to endure should their child stay missing. Bless all of you that love and nurture children. Keep an eye out for those kids who don't seem to have any love in their life, the ones who are always outside, aimless, but avoiding going home. There could be a reason. Be nosy, let the child know by your warm smile and your concern, form a neighborhood watch group. Our children, our loved ones, our treasures, keep disappearing.
All of the above is my own humble opinion. If you don't agree, that's okay. I only know there is one thing I fear more than any other calamity - to have to call 911 to report that my child is missing.
IMHO

 

[Pondering Mind]

I have to agree with this. Suspecting Billie in some way for me doesn't rest on her failed polygraph test or on her demeanor, mostly it's because of her evasive and inconsistent statements. She doesn't answer questions properly, she dances around with her off-the-wall remarks, and she keeps changing her story. Plus there's a lack of emotion and lack of urgency in her voice. Not to mention her wording, "Hailey isn't in the home". WTH? That's just bizarre.

The only time I've seen any REAL emotion from her is when she talks about her most unusual boyfriend. Very, very disturbing.

Even if she passed five polygraph exams and shed a million tears onscreen, if she were still skirting the questions and giving inconsistent answers, she'd be on MY suspect list - suspected as in "knowing something" or worse.

That's just the way it is.

Thank You! Thank You! Why would someone *assume* that anyone's opinion is based solely on Billies demeanor? Really? Do I sound that ignorant? Cuz if I do someone PLEASE tell me! That may be the case with one or two, but not the majority. That would be the same as lumping everyone that believed the opposite did so because of some of the comments I saw early on...that BD was too pretty..she just didn't seem like that kind of person, etc.. Billies demeanor is only one of MANY reasons I am very suspicious of her. What a shame it would be when this is all said and done and just like in so many other cases where you are condemned for finding fault with a parent (whether they have been named a POI yet or not) only to find out that parent was complicit in a crime against their child. I'm here for Hailey..not Billy or anyone else and if I believe her mom knows what happened to her, I can not and will not keep quiet. What a disservice that would be to Hailey. Billie can speak for herself...Hailey can not. I'm not judging Billie, I'm calling it like I see it...and in my mind I am NOT seeing someone who is making their missing daughter's whereabouts a priority..and I'm gonna keep quiet? Nope..ain't happening, right or wrong...

 

[katydid23]

So they got a hit at the friends or close, thats what i am interested in. Thank you so very much.

If you reread her post she said ' made a beeline TOWARDS MB's'[ and then goes to the motel. So it seems they did NOT actually get a hit at the house.

 

[BeanE]

Originally, LE said that the dogs started towards Clint's house, stopped, turned around and made a beeline towards MB's house, and then went to the motel. I posted this early on, and that is what I asked to have removed because LE didn't want it released. Billie later went on to say this on NG. LE changed that and said that the dogs didnt really track anywhere, and they took them by vehicle to each place and all of the motels in town, and only got a hit at the houses and the one motel. So I have no idea which is correct.

Can you please clarify which of this information you heard directly from LE, and which you heard from Billie?

Thank you.

 

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

Thank You! Thank You! Why would someone *assume* that anyone's opinion is based solely on Billies demeanor? Really? Do I sound that ignorant? Cuz if I do someone PLEASE tell me! That may be the case with one or two, but not the majority. That would be the same as lumping everyone that believed the opposite did so because of some of the comments I saw early on...that BD was too pretty..she just didn't seem like that kind of person, etc.. Billies demeanor is only one of MANY reasons I am very suspicious of her. What a shame it would be when this is all said and done and just like in so many other cases where you are condemned for finding fault with a parent (whether they have been named a POI yet or not) only to find out that parent was complicit in a crime against their child. I'm here for Hailey..not Billy or anyone else and if I believe her mom knows what happened to her, I can not and will not keep quiet. What a disservice that would be to Hailey. Billie can speak for herself...Hailey can not. I'm not judging Billie, I'm calling it like I see it...and in my mind I am NOT seeing someone who is making their missing daughter's whereabouts a priority..and I'm gonna keep quiet? Nope..ain't happening, right or wrong...

ITA PM - and thank you! It is NOT normal for a mother of a missing child to behave like this. People whose children are missing simply do not act like this. It appears that everyone but BD is more concerned about where this precious 13-year-old missing child is. So sad.

 

[BeanE]

I'm confused...:waitasec:

BBM


http://www.ktxs.com/news/26401950/detail.html


http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/06/ng.01.html


http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/hailey-dunns-mother-addresses-findings-affadavits/



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/10/ng.01.html


http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/06/ng.01.html

Also, NG Jan 6:

DUNN: Shawn? I don`t know how long he was talked to afterward, I don`t think long before he went over to his grandma`s. His aunt came and picked him up.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Originally, LE said that the dogs started towards Clint's house, stopped, turned around and made a beeline towards MB's house, and then went to the motel. I posted this early on, and that is what I asked to have removed because LE didn't want it released. Billie later went on to say this on NG. LE changed that and said that the dogs didnt really track anywhere, and they took them by vehicle to each place and all of the motels in town, and only got a hit at the houses and the one motel. So I have no idea which is correct.

Can you please clarify which of this information you heard directly from LE, and which you heard from Billie?

Thank you.

CZGTZ has signed off for the night, I think, but I think she is paraphrasing stuff that was all over the news back in the first part of January. Some of the original reporting (see video below) was repeated by Billie Dunn on NG, then Kampfer with the police said it wasn't portrayed correctly.

Personally I think it's all about slight wording differences about dogs "tracking" versus "hitting" on a place - almost semantical instead of really meaningful. If the dogs hit on Haleigh's scent at the hotel, then she must have gotten there somehow, it seems to me. I mean, I understand the nuance here, but if the hotel was close enough for Haleigh to walk there, then it didn't seem that impossible that the dogs might have tracked there. A press conference would have cleared all this up.

NG reported on Jan 4th that the dogs "tracked: to the hotel:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/04/ng.01.html

MICHAEL BOARD, WOAI NEWSRADIO: Nancy, the last person to see Hailey Dunn alive was her mother`s boyfriend. This was on December 27th at about 3:00 o`clock in the last -- 3:00 o`clock in the afternoon. Her mother`s boyfriend says that Hailey told him that she was going over to her father`s house and then over to a friend`s house.

Police, we`ve learned this week, brought in bloodhounds, and amazingly, those dogs were able to pick up Hailey`s scent. Yes, they tracked her exact path. They went from her mother`s home to her father`s home, and then from her father`s home to her friend`s home, which is a couple blocks away.

But Nancy, this is where the story takes a tragic turn. The bloodhounds then track her scent to a motel in Colorado City. Nancy, why does a 13-year-old girl have any reason in the world to go to a motel? Right now, they`re scanning through the surveillance cameras, and we`re told so far, they have not seen Hailey`s pictures on those security cameras, but they`re continuing to look into that area.

Maybe there`s another business there. Maybe there was a convenience store that maybe had a surveillance camera or a security camera. They`re hoping, they`re praying that maybe there was another camera in that area that was able to catch her picture.

GRACE: Michael Board, when did the bloodhounds come to the scene?

BOARD: They -- where did they come to the scene? They tracked her scent...

GRACE: When? When? When did they come?

BOARD: Oh, when. When. They came this week. It was almost immediately. They were able to get bloodhounds from a nearby airport, to bring them over and start tracking the scene. This was almost from the beginning. So it was a fresh scent.

GRACE: I want to go to Priscilla Luong, reporter with CNN affiliate KTAB. She is joining us tonight outside Hailey`s home. Priscilla, thank you for being with us.

PRISCILLA LUONG, KTAB CORRESPONDENT: Thank you, Nancy.

GRACE: It`s my understanding that police will not confirm the use of bloodhounds. Have you been able to confirm it?

LUONG: Well, Nancy, when I talked to police today, they kept a pretty tight lip about this. All I know right now is the reward that was originally $10,000 actually more than doubled overnight. It`s $25,000 now for anyone with tips that can help them track down this 13-year-old girl.

I want to go back to Billie Dunn, this is Hailey`s mother.

How far did they tell you the dogs tracked your little girl to that Western Motel? Did they track her into the lobby? Did they track to a certain room, to the parking lot? How far did the trail go?

B. DUNN: They didn`t tell me that. They just let me know that to the friends, to the motel, and they`re reviewing the video at the motel, and calling everybody who had been checked in to the motel that day.

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Then the police said the reporting was wrong and that the dogs were taken to the hotel.

According to City Manager Kampfer, search dogs picked up a few scent spots indicative of Hailey’s presence near the Western Suites hotel off I-20, just a few blocks from Hailey’s home.

Kampfer says the scents were detected after law enforcement brought the dogs to several locations, not by following any sort of “trail” to the hotel.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Even if she passed five polygraph exams and shed a million tears onscreen, if she were still skirting the questions and giving inconsistent answers, she'd be on MY suspect list - suspected as in "knowing something" or worse.

I just want to clarify that I'm not saying, "She did it!". What I'm saying is her actions are suspect, leaving me with many doubts about what she knows and wondering if she had any part in the "disappearance" of Hailey - before, during, or after the fact. She takes up for SA far more than she shows concern for the child. This could be intense guilt she's feeling for bringing this man into her home, but if this is the case, why did she say she didn't know if she'd take him back? After all the backlash I'm sure she's received lately from people finding out about SA's general behavior, his threats against her family/herself, and his "hobbies", why wouldn't she get a clue and take a second look at the type of man he is, and realize it was a terrible thing bringing him into her home, even if he's innocent? He doesn't need to be living in her home!

This disturbs me the most about her. Even now, she's reluctant to send him packing permanently. :shakehead: Is this man SO IMPORTANT to her that she doesn't care how dangerous he may be, how dangerous it is to have him around her children? Why is she putting SA before the welfare of her children?

She makes all sorts of attempts to cover for him. That's just NOT RIGHT. :noooo:

 

[sherryk]

It struck me odd that the case on NG last night in regards to EE (i believe that is the little girls intials) that she was found in a cotten gin.. and searcher were looking for HD in cotten gin at one point.

The little girl EE had connections to a motel. Hailey at one point they said had been traced to hotel and then sent stopped.

NG stated a possible connection and named HD. The reporter or producer said somthing to the extent that checking the man arrested to see is he is connected to any other CASE.. that strongly led to believe that may have be reffering to HD.

I know that the area is 100 miles away more or less.
It just struck me as very much similar.
I hope they are checking out if SA or anyone of interest in the HD knew this man at all. If SA or anyone else bought drugs.. is it possible that someone possibly knew him.

maybe far fetched but I hope they are at least going over it with a find tooth comb in the HD case.

Just too close in time frame and age of girls and the hotel issue.

 

[BeanE]

CZGTZ has signed off for the night, I think,

I know. I left her a message with a link to my question for her.

 

[lillys]

According to the affidavit, Shawn admitted to threatening to kill Billie and her daughter Hailey. His statements were witnessed by 3 LE officers - Sides, Gilly, and Police Chief Bivins.

BD has admitted that her lover Shawn threatened to murder her last February 2010.

BD has admitted that her lover threatened to murder her estranged husband.

The affidavit states that Shawn Adkins admitted to threatening to murder Billie Jean Dunn and her daughter Hailey Dunn. His statements were witnessed by 3 LE officers.

I see no reason to believe that Sides, Gilly, and Police Chief Bivins are lying.

ETA: http://www.ktxs.com/download/2011/0112/26466351.pdf

Anyone is free to read the affidavit for themselves.

:seeya:
I agree, LE has no reason to lie and I'm glad you said it. IMO, it makes no sense to believe everything certain people say who are close to Hailey and yet blame and claim LE is lying.

 

[LisaB]

I think LE would look at your posts to try to determine what your interest is..., kwim? You are interested in solving crimes (so is LE) and finding justice for victims. We can see that from your posts.

Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) BD was posting on a board where it could easily be determined what her interest was... hobby, trying to impress new boyfriendf, or if she was also interested in justice and solving crimes.

Salem

I know SA posted on the Michael Myers site, and that Billie downloaded things from TruTV Crime Library, but posts? Do tell? On what website? Is there a link to her posts? I'd be curious to read her comments. I don't think I have even seen a myspace or Facebook for Billie.

 

[LisaB]

Salem, I believe that some of us were thinking that we had not heard all the calls from that day..The officer on duty said that 'whatever' was going on had been going on all day..yet we only heard 3 (?) calls. Some of us (myself included) thought perhaps all the 911 calls had not been released and on those there may have been possible reference to a threat to Hailey...

I think that, at this point, if LE could prove Hailey was threatened by Shawn in February, they'd have released the material proving it along with the tapes they did release. Wouldn't the FOIA request that got them the original 911 tapes have requested ALL of them? I suspect that we have heard all they have and someone was either mistaken, or trying to sell it to the judge issuing the warrants

 

[LisaB]

plus BD referred to "texts" that SA had sent her and it very well could have been a responding officer that actually saw the texts. SA could have treatened Hailey in those texts.

Someone needs to file an FOIA request for the 2-14-2011 police reports. If it is in there, I'll buy it. Otherwise, I have to say it didn't go down like that. If he had threatened Hailey, it WOULD HAVE BEEN mentioned in the police report. If Shawn, 10 months later, is claiming he said that, I have to wonder why? Seems like some of his questions (who to look at, where to look, and this) may have been geared to mislead them... or to get him into the spotlight. Why? Either he knows he didn't do anything to Hailey and is "having fun" with LE or he did and now just wants to play cat and mouse with LE.

 

[LisaB]

really? and gmom saying SA hovering around HD's bedroom door was what ecxatly? nothing to worry about. hmmmmm
kk... BD didnt fear SA that makes everything better!
MOO

Hailey (per Grandma) said he talked on the phone and walked around the house at night, and she had seen his feet by her door.

Some people wander around a lot when they talk on the phone. I suspect this is why cordless phones are so popular. Nobody has ever claimed SA went into the room, just that he walked around the relatively small house where Hailey saw him through her bedroom doorway, not IN her bedroom doorway.

 

[lillys]

Someone needs to file an FOIA request for the 2-14-2011 police reports. If it is in there, I'll buy it. Otherwise, I have to say it didn't go down like that. If he had threatened Hailey, it WOULD HAVE BEEN mentioned in the police report. If Shawn, 10 months later, is claiming he said that, I have to wonder why? Seems like some of his questions (who to look at, where to look, and this) may have been geared to mislead them... or to get him into the spotlight. Why? Either he knows he didn't do anything to Hailey and is "having fun" with LE or he did and now just wants to play cat and mouse with LE.

I'm sorry but I don't get it.

WHY would Shawn lie about threatening to kill Hailey? :waitasec:

Play cat and mouse with LE? No way, imoo.

Besides he failed 2 LDT and now isn't talking to LE or the media.
What does he have to hide?

 

[LisaB]

respectfully sbm

Cz - TY for for your comments and for your personal insight.

I must say, based on the 911 tapes, where Billie reported that Shawn was threatening to murder her (and CD, and also Hailey, according to what Shawn admitted to in the affidavit)

MOO

:deadhorse:
The affidavit is a statement by the police officer requesting the warrant, not a statement by Shawn. He did not "admit to" anything "in the affidavit". IOW, the officer paraphrased material collected over many hours of questioning of Shawn and Billie to construct the affidavit which represents what LE claims Shawn admitted to in STATEMENTS we have not seen. Until we do, I can't see how we can address this statement (and several others).

 

[dixiegirl]

Hailey (per Grandma) said he talked on the phone and walked around the house at night, and she had seen his feet by her door.

Some people wander around a lot when they talk on the phone. I suspect this is why cordless phones are so popular. Nobody has ever claimed SA went into the room, just that he walked around the relatively small house where Hailey saw him through her bedroom doorway, not IN her bedroom doorway.

Has anyone wondered that maybe it was what HD heard SA talking about on the phone at night is what scared her? JMO